is aromasin needed?

[apothec143]

Hi,

So I was planning on running this cycle:

500mg test/week -12 weeks
300mg deca/week -12 weeks
40mg winstrol ED -6 weeks

I had two questions. First, would it be better to run the winstrol at the END of the cycle, rather than the beginning? That's what I did with t-bol in my last cycle, and I liked doing it that way. Second, I've read that including deca in a cycle actually helps gyno symptoms. I'm prone to gyno, so I was planning on running aromasin 25mg/day throughout the cycle. BUT, if possible, I would rather just run a low-dose of nolva throughout.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

 

[Cobra Strike]

Drop the winny....test needs to be ran 2 weeks longer then the deca and take the aromasin through out

 

[Shovel]

I'd go with adex on cycle and Aromasin say after post cycle therapy (pct) to help boost test levels.

Adex once a week is plenty for me.

What's your cycle history?

 

[apothec143]

This would be my second cycle. My first cycle was:
test-e 500mg/week for 12 weeks
tbol 40mg/day for 5 weeks (at end of cycle)

Why drop the Winstrol (winny)? I thought it would help with the water retention. I was thinking sort of a "lean-bulk" with this one.

So if I run the test 2 weeks longer than deca, should I run the test for 14 weeks, or shorten the deca to 10 weeks and run the rest for 12 weeks?

Thanks guys

 

[MeatHead96]

Drop the winny....test needs to be ran 2 weeks longer then the deca and take the aromasin through out

x2 Winstrol (winny) will dry you the fuck out and is bad for lipids.
Run test 14wks deca 12wks minimum. Some run low dose Winstrol (winny) (like 10mg a day) while on deca to help with progesterone.

 

[Shovel]

I wouldn't drop the Winstrol (winny), you'll love it at 50 or more daily.
This is what I'd do...
Weeks 1-12 test e 500-600mg weekly
Weeks 1-12 deca 400-600mg weekly
Weeks 6-14 Winstrol (winny) 50-75mg ed
Weeks 1-4 test prop 100mg eod
Weeks 15-19 Nolvadex and Clomid
20/20/20/20/20
50/50/50/50/50
Aromasin for a few weeks at the end of pct @ 12.5mg Ed...

 

[MeatHead96]

I wouldn't drop the Winstrol (winny), you'll love it at 50 or more daily.
This is what I'd do...
Weeks 1-12 test e 500-600mg weekly
Weeks 1-12 deca 400-600mg weekly
Weeks 6-14 Winstrol (winny) 50-75mg ed
Weeks 1-4 test prop 100mg eod
Weeks 15-19 Nolvadex and Clomid
20/20/20/20/20
50/50/50/50/50
Aromasin for a few weeks at the end of post cycle therapy (pct) @ 12.5mg Ed...

Stop handing out shitty advice. As stated above, test should be run two weeks longer than the deca. Test doses need to be higher than deca doses, not the same or slightly higher. Winstrol (winny) sucks and shouldn't be run based on what was stated above. Aromasin should be on hand at least for cycle and run 12.5 a day if needed or from the start if you want. Plus you are now getting too complicated for a second cycle. Just keep it simple.

 

[Shovel]

Stop handing out shitty advice. As stated above, test should be run two weeks longer than the deca. Test doses need to be higher than deca doses, not the same or slightly higher. Winstrol (winny) sucks and shouldn't be run based on what was stated above. Aromasin should be on hand at least for cycle and run 12.5 a day if needed or from the start if you want. Plus you are now getting too complicated for a second cycle. Just keep it simple.

Shitty advice huh, lol! If you can't keep up, there's a short bus on it's way...

Winny works great with deca and can be used as a mild Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and bridge to post cycle therapy (pct) in order to utilize all the weeks while on cycle in superhuman mode.

Prop is great for a kickstart compared to an oral which there is one already in this cycle.

Running test at a higher dosage than other compounds in order to avoid "sides" is bullshit. Tell me why you'd add more androgen to a cycle when the anabolic is mild.? The androgens are what causes unwanted sides like high estrogen which leads to hi blood pressure and other symptoms.

You think this is my first rodeo???

 

[MeatHead96]

Shitty advice huh, lol! If you can't keep up, there's a short bus on it's way...

Winny works great with deca and can be used as a mild Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and bridge to pct in order to utilize all the weeks while on cycle in superhuman mode.

Prop is great for a kickstart compared to an oral which there is one already in this cycle.

Running test at a higher dosage than other compounds in order to avoid "sides" is bullshit. Tell me why you'd add more androgen to a cycle when the anabolic is mild.? The androgens are what causes unwanted sides like high estrogen which leads to hi blood pressure and other symptoms.

You think this is my first rodeo???

No but you have 18 posts and to come on here and tell a vet (Cobra) that his advice is wrong, which I've seen you do in other posts is not cool. Every vet on here will tell you to run test longer than deca and run it higher than deca as well due to the sides. We are not talking about high estrogen or blood pressure, but prolactin related sides(deca dick) smart ass. I don't care how long you've been cycling, you need to establish yourself here before you expect people to listen to your advice over a veteran. Your explanation makes no sense so if you actually have a good reason for this please let me know.

 

[Shovel]

No but you have 18 posts and to come on here and tell a vet (Cobra) that his advice is wrong, which I've seen you do in other posts is not cool. Every vet on here will tell you to run test longer than deca and run it higher than deca as well due to the sides. We are not talking about high estrogen or blood pressure, but prolactin related sides(deca dick) smart ass. I don't care how long you've been cycling, you need to establish yourself here before you expect people to listen to your advice over a veteran. Your explanation makes no sense so if you actually have a good reason for this please let me know.

Just because I recently found my way over here thanks to Benz and Dawg doesn't mean I don't have the right to disagree with some vet. I'm a vet/VIP/mod on 5 other boards in this little community.
Prolactin sides aren't present without high estrogen. Fact. Besides the point.
What explanation are you not able to comprehend? I'll dumb it down even farther since this shit is rocket science to some.
If you want to get into this further and maybe learn something instead of follow the herd, PM me and I'll tell you whatever you need to know, but this pissin match is over...

 

[John Benz]

I wouldn't drop the Winstrol (winny), you'll love it at 50 or more daily.
This is what I'd do...
Weeks 1-12 test e 500-600mg weekly
Weeks 1-12 deca 400-600mg weekly
Weeks 6-14 Winstrol (winny) 50-75mg ed
Weeks 1-4 test prop 100mg eod
Weeks 15-19 Nolvadex and Clomid
20/20/20/20/20
50/50/50/50/50
Aromasin for a few weeks at the end of post cycle therapy (pct) @ 12.5mg Ed...

Excellent advice! A little complicated, but a very effective cycle.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Stop handing out shitty advice. As stated above, test should be run two weeks longer than the deca. Test doses need to be higher than deca doses, not the same or slightly higher. Winstrol (winny) sucks and shouldn't be run based on what was stated above. Aromasin should be on hand at least for cycle and run 12.5 a day if needed or from the start if you want. Plus you are now getting too complicated for a second cycle. Just keep it simple.

preach on brotha!!!

 

[Cobra Strike]

shovel....benz....you both are suckin eachothers cocks....Im with meathead and bullseye....quit giving shitty advice!!!

winny sucks balls unless your about to do a comp..that is the only time it should be used. It dries a person out, makes joints soar, and fucks up lipids badly. If you want to take it then 10-15mg per day to lower shbg but thats it

also shovel you cant give a f'n range when your telling someone cycle advice....test needs to be ran for 2 weeks longer then deca because the deconate ester is twice as long as the enanthate ester....what imaginary shitty boards have you came from?? Dawg would not back this up bro so dont call him out as some sort of muscle you got behind you. Test also should be ran 150-200mg higher then deca to avoid libido issues so when you give a range how in the hell do you expect newbs to know...deca is not more androgenic then test but it is more anabolic... it converts into a less potent compound known as dihydronandrolone (which can damper libido) where test converts into a more potent compound known as dihydrotestosterone ...and you want to say deca dick is a myth??? Im running test 200 higher then my deca right now and its working perfectly...what if the guy did 400 test and 600 deca?? You really need to think things through before you say them...Also if you dont have control of estrogen on a deca cycle then there is a chance you can develop prolactin issues....this is why aromasin should be ran the whole cycle...winny is not an ai! You cant base your estro levels off gyno signs and symptoms alone. You could have high estro without gyno then what?

Benz....community veteran from 2003??? 103 posts total??? you may as well not be a member...you dont contribute shit and just come on here to back up your flaming butt buddy shovel

now the pissing match is over

 

[Bullseye Forever]

shovel....benz....you both are suckin eachothers cocks....Im with meathead and bullseye....quit giving shitty advice!!!

winny sucks balls unless your about to do a comp..that is the only time it should be used. It dries a person out, makes joints soar, and fucks up lipids badly. If you want to take it then 10-15mg per day to lower shbg but thats it

also shovel you cant give a f'n range when your telling someone cycle advice....test needs to be ran for 2 weeks longer then deca because the deconate ester is twice as long as the enanthate ester....what imaginary shitty boards have you came from?? Dawg would not back this up bro so dont call him out as some sort of muscle you got behind you. Test also should be ran 150-200mg higher then deca to avoid libido issues so when you give a range how in the hell do you expect newbs to know...deca is not more androgenic then test but it is more anabolic... it converts into a less potent compound known as dihydronandrolone (which can damper libido) where test converts into a more potent compound known as dihydrotestosterone ...and you want to say deca dick is a myth??? Im running test 200 higher then my deca right now and its working perfectly...what if the guy did 400 test and 600 deca?? You really need to think things through before you say them...Also if you dont have control of estrogen on a deca cycle then there is a chance you can develop prolactin issues....this is why aromasin should be ran the whole cycle...winny is not an ai! You cant base your estro levels off gyno signs and symptoms alone. You could have high estro without gyno then what?

Benz....community veteran from 2003??? 103 posts total??? you may as well not be a member...you dont contribute shit and just come on here to back up your flaming butt buddy shovel

now the pissing match is over

I second this brother,fuckin' A Cobra....strikes again!!!!! might better pay attention guys....... Cobras da man!!

 

[Cobra Strike]

hahaha shovel I just noticed you call yourself "community veteran"....who does this on a board they just joined??? I dont even call myself a vet..you sure as shit should not call yourself one

 

[MeatHead96]

hahaha shovel I just noticed you call yourself "community veteran"....who does this on a board they just joined??? I dont even call myself a vet..you sure as shit should not call yourself one

rflmfao what a d-bag

 

[Shovel]

shovel....benz....you both are suckin eachothers cocks....Im with meathead and bullseye....quit giving shitty advice!!!

winny sucks balls unless your about to do a comp..that is the only time it should be used. It dries a person out, makes joints soar, and fucks up lipids badly. If you want to take it then 10-15mg per day to lower shbg but thats it

also shovel you cant give a f'n range when your telling someone cycle advice....test needs to be ran for 2 weeks longer then deca because the deconate ester is twice as long as the enanthate ester....what imaginary shitty boards have you came from?? Dawg would not back this up bro so dont call him out as some sort of muscle you got behind you. Test also should be ran 150-200mg higher then deca to avoid libido issues so when you give a range how in the hell do you expect newbs to know...deca is not more androgenic then test but it is more anabolic... it converts into a less potent compound known as dihydronandrolone (which can damper libido) where test converts into a more potent compound known as dihydrotestosterone ...and you want to say deca dick is a myth??? Im running test 200 higher then my deca right now and its working perfectly...what if the guy did 400 test and 600 deca?? You really need to think things through before you say them...Also if you dont have control of estrogen on a deca cycle then there is a chance you can develop prolactin issues....this is why aromasin should be ran the whole cycle...winny is not an ai! You cant base your estro levels off gyno signs and symptoms alone. You could have high estro without gyno then what?

Benz....community veteran from 2003??? 103 posts total??? you may as well not be a member...you dont contribute shit and just come on here to back up your flaming butt buddy shovel

now the pissing match is over

Tell me how you really feel... Lol

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Tell me how you really feel... Lol

uuuhhhh....did i miss something

 

[DADAWG]

lets all settle down.

1st john benz has been around since this scene since some of you were in diapers and deserves some respect . i dont know shovel as well but hes a mod and community vet and has a LOT of knowledge to share.

i agree with some points from both sides. deca is a longer ester than eth or cyp and test eth needs 1 week longer run than deca so that they clear out at about the same time.
i also do NOT like winnie imo it trashes cholesterol , the hair , joints , liver , etc. . that being said a lot of old school people swear by running it with deca ,ive never tried it , some say it lowers shbg but i prefer proviron or masteron for that , . winnie also is very effective pre competition for body builders .


the main thing is this debate would make a great thread if it had been done as a debate . instead it became personnal and name calling ensued. that doesnt accomplish anything.