Is Epistane for me?

[Rawbot]

Hey guys , i got UBER FAST Metabolism.. im 21 y/o
5'9
and weigh about 125 lbs...
i've been trying to put in weight but nothing seems to work...
i eat over 3k Calories daily... Lots of carbs.. proteins, Meat, chicken... rice...
Have tried Proteins shakes and all that...
I wanna gain about 20-30 pounds..
I've been doin some research and Epi seems like a good option, altho i need some kind of help on deciding if it is for me or not...
I do somewhat heavy work and im active ALL day , lifiting boxes and such for most of the time im at work... Of course i would jump right back into the gym if i decide to take Epi...
Please , any advice would be appreciated...
******* Listened to "Pinga" and erased email ... lol *******

 

[goatman]

Hey guys , i got UBER FAST Metabolism.. im 21 y/o
5'9
and weigh about 125 lbs...
i've been trying to put in weight but nothing seems to work...
i eat over 3k Calories daily... Lots of carbs.. proteins, Meat, chicken... rice...
Have tried Proteins shakes and all that...
I wanna gain about 20-30 pounds..
I've been doin some research and Epi seems like a good option, altho i need some kind of help on deciding if it is for me or not...
I do somewhat heavy work and im active ALL day , lifiting boxes and such for most of the time im at work... Of course i would jump right back into the gym if i decide to take Epi...
Please , any advice would be appreciated...
Msn- tato_tg@hotmail.com
Aim- Deuce2749

im going to try to be as nice as i can without ripping you a new asshole. ill let the vets do that

A) 3000 cals wtf? dude you need to EAT go to the diet form and learn about bulking

B) GOING TO JUMP RIGHT BACK INTO THE GYM you dont work out right now?

C) THIS IS A PRO HORMONE (and a shitty one at that) you are in the big boy forms.

D) I have run EPI at 40mg/day with little effect besides ruining my libido mind you im 6'4 240lb. its not going to put on raw size. my bros use it when dieting do help keep strength up and lean out a bit and it helps them.

My advise. work out, eat, creatine, weight gainers should put you up to 180-190 with ease. dont give me this hard gainer shit. i was a hard gainer i started out 16 at about 140lb and 6'4 i researched and researched and i didn't touch juice until it hit 210lb which some guys here would still bitch about but to me i had busted through so many plateaus before that and wanted a little help and considered my self to be knowledgeable and mature enough

have you heard of PCT? you need it for PH too

 

[Mr P]

Rawbot I would delete your e-mail from your post if I were you, for your own safety,.

 

[Rawbot]

im going to try to be as nice as i can without ripping you a new asshole. ill let the vets do that

A) 3000 cals wtf? dude you need to EAT go to the diet form and learn about bulking

B) GOING TO JUMP RIGHT BACK INTO THE GYM you dont work out right now?

C) THIS IS A PRO HORMONE (and a shitty one at that) you are in the big boy forms.

D) I have run EPI at 40mg/day with little effect besides ruining my libido mind you im 6'4 240lb. its not going to put on raw size. my bros use it when dieting do help keep strength up and lean out a bit and it helps them.

My advise. work out, eat, creatine, weight gainers should put you up to 180-190 with ease. dont give me this hard gainer shit. i was a hard gainer i started out 16 at about 140lb and 6'4 i researched and researched and i didn't touch juice until it hit 210lb which some guys here would still bitch about but to me i had busted through so many plateaus before that and wanted a little help and considered my self to be knowledgeable and mature enough

have you heard of PCT? you need it for PH too

I know these are big boy forums... why else would i post and try to get some feed back if i didnt think i could actually get something from it...
Well... i guess going back to drawing board.. so far im thinking MegaMass 4000... that seems like a decent weight gainer with creatine..

 

[vtac]

Eat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[goatman]

you would get better results in the prohormone/ natural steroids form that deals more with epi. but a good gainer or a whey with oats and 10g creatine monohydrate would go a long way for you. check out the diet, training and supplements form. if you post up stats like that in a steroid form guys will flame you or ignore you. you post those stats in a diet form and you will have 10 guys setting up meal plans for you, get what im saying, get the diet down the training down. after that you can look at the sponsors for some good alternatives. a superdrol clone will put on some mass but u need to have a solid foundation to build a house you know what im sayin? dont be discouraged in a years time i can see you putting on a solid 20-30 lb with diet and training

 

[DADAWG]

eat everything you do now and add about 2-3 big macs a day lol. its not just protein or carbs when you have a high metabolism CALORIES and lots of them are needed. also make suer to get plenty of rest .

 

[Rawbot]

well , so ideally i gotta start out with a weight gainer and some creatine...
im thinkin of MegaMass 4000 and about the creatine... i dont know im thinkin of takin capsules ...
any other advice...? megamass 4k has 1.2k calo and 88 grams of protein so tahts a good suplement IMO..
Let me know if you can help me out with any other ideas please!
thanks! ,
o and i know guys will flame n such but i dont mind... its the only way to learn... i know some1 out there will actually gimme some good advice instead of hatred ..
thanks!

 

[glubgawd]

well , so ideally i gotta start out with a weight gainer and some creatine...
im thinkin of MegaMass 4000 and about the creatine... i dont know im thinkin of takin capsules ...
any other advice...? megamass 4k has 1.2k calo and 88 grams of protein so tahts a good suplement IMO..
Let me know if you can help me out with any other ideas please!
thanks! ,
o and i know guys will flame n such but i dont mind... its the only way to learn... i know some1 out there will actually gimme some good advice instead of hatred ..
thanks!

Drop the pre-made weight gainer. It's overpaying for pure garbage. Eat more real food instead.

If you're dead set on use weight gainer shakes, make your own:

16oz whole milk
2 scoops whey
2-3 tbsp peanut butter
1 cup oatmeal (grind or whole, whatever)
Banana/fruit if you want

That's over 1k calories right there and you'll know exactly whats in it. Plus it doesn't taste bad

 

[Rawbot]

Drop the pre-made weight gainer. It's overpaying for pure garbage. Eat more real food instead.

If you're dead set on use weight gainer shakes, make your own:

16oz whole milk
2 scoops whey
2-3 tbsp peanut butter
1 cup oatmeal (grind or whole, whatever)
Banana/fruit if you want

That's over 1k calories right there and you'll know exactly whats in it. Plus it doesn't taste bad

thats a pretty good idea actually... but what if i dont drop the mass gainer n instead ADD that selfmade shake to my diet...
also which Creatines Caps would be the most suitable for me , anyone?
im about to go hit up the vita shop check some options out...
Once again Thanks ! for the Great idea.

 

[BigKevKris]

DUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEE! So much potential there before you jump in to hormones. Ever heard of the GOMAD diet. Gallon Of Milk A Day. That could be a good start. TONS and TONS of good carbs. PASTA PASTA PASTA. Whole wheat pasta. Eat dirty if you have too....literally eat everything you can and if that doesn't work get black hole from controlled Labs. If they still make it, its an appetite stimulant. I was 45lbs over my IDEAL weight before I ever touched a hormone. You can do it man....it won't come fast....give it time.

 

[BigKevKris]

Creatine........Ancient Strength from RLS...Ruthless Supplements
rlssupplements.com/store/creatine-supplements/brutal-alchemy-ancient-strength.html

 

[Rawbot]

DUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEE! So much potential there before you jump in to hormones. Ever heard of the GOMAD diet. Gallon Of Milk A Day. That could be a good start. TONS and TONS of good carbs. PASTA PASTA PASTA. Whole wheat pasta. Eat dirty if you have too....literally eat everything you can and if that doesn't work get black hole from controlled Labs. If they still make it, its an appetite stimulant. I was 45lbs over my IDEAL weight before I ever touched a hormone. You can do it man....it won't come fast....give it time.

appetite is not a problem bro.. im always hungry... up to the point in which i get tired of eatin and eatin... while im at work i eat everythings tahts on my way... for example... today i went in work at 6 am rite... i had a 7oz Drinkable Yogurt, Some cup of noodles with a Bread, some Chicken Nuggets (about 5 pieces) Some Platain Chips... then went home for lunch , came back and had 2 bananas and right now i just finished eating Steak n Rice , a plate full that is....
and its about 4 o'clock...

 

[BigKevKris]

If thats truly the case then maybe you need blood tests to see if your hyperthyroidic...just an idea.

 

[Rawbot]

If thats truly the case then maybe you need blood tests to see if your hyperthyroidic...just an idea.

could be an option... altho from what i remember i've always been skinny... maybe uhmm since i was like what 8 years old?
also my brother n sister got the same complexion.. only that my older brother is even lighter than me..
Anyway... ok Ancient Strenght on work out days 30 mins Pre Work out and some cheap Mono creatine on non workout days and rest day seems to be the best way to go...
now i need the right weight gainer... i know i can go natural but i know ill eat a shiet ton n i just want something easy , such as pour powder in a shaker full of milk and ready to go , feel me? any other options besides Serious Mass by optimus or MegaMass 4000??(this last one is 1230 calories 88g protein)

 

[glubgawd]

thats a pretty good idea actually... but what if i dont drop the mass gainer n instead ADD that selfmade shake to my diet...
also which Creatines Caps would be the most suitable for me , anyone?
im about to go hit up the vita shop check some options out...
Once again Thanks ! for the Great idea.

Nah, drop the mass gainer tub. period.

Those companies are so shady and are always failing health inspections. Not to mention, if it says "proprietary blend," they don't have to tell you anything about percentages (not even based on the order of ingredients). You could be buying a tub full of dextrose at 10x the cost with a scoop of whey mixed in.

 

[Rawbot]

Nah, drop the mass gainer tub. period.

Those companies are so shady and are always failing health inspections. Not to mention, if it says "proprietary blend," they don't have to tell you anything about percentages (not even based on the order of ingredients). You could be buying a tub full of dextrose at 10x the cost with a scoop of whey mixed in.

damn so i gotta blend all this shiet together... lol uhmm aight well... whats the best kind of whey to buy then?

 

[Rawbot]

These are the Nut facts of MegaMass 4000 ... altho 10 servings of 3 scoops per bag (9.85lbs) seems kinda ridiciolous.


9.85 Lbs. Smooth Chocolate Flavor
Supplement Facts
Serving Size3Cups(447g)
Servings Per Container10
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*
Calories 1640
Calories From Fat 70
Total Fat 8g 13%
Saturated Fat 4.5g 22%
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 145mg 49%
Total Carbohydrate 312g 104%
Dietary Fiber 4g 14%
Sugars 132g **
Protein 88g 176%
Vitamin A (As Retinyl Palmitate) 6500IU 130%
Vitamin C (As Ascorbic Acid) 258mg 430%
Vitamin E (As Dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate) 99IU 330%
Vitamin K (As Phytonadione) 48mcg 60%
Thiamin (From Whey Protein Concentrate And As Thiamin Mononitrate) 3.15mg 210%
Riboflavin (From Whey Protein Concentrate And As Riboflavin) 6mg 350%
Niacin (As Niacinamide) 42mg 210%
Vitamin B6 (As Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 1.2mg 60%
Folate (As Folic Acid) 640mcg 160%
Vitamin B12 (As Cyanocobalamin) 12mcg 200%
Biotin 600mcg 200%
Pantothenic Acid (As D-Calcium Pantothenate) 17mg 170%
Calcium (From Whey Protein Concentrate, Calcium/soduim Caseinate And As Calcium Carbonate) 2g 200%
Iron (From Whey Protein Concentrate, Soy Protein Isolate And As Ferrous Fumarate) 10.8mg 60%
Phosphorus (From Whey Protein Concentrate And Calcium/sodium Caseinate) 1.2g 120%
Iodine (From Maltodextrin) 105mcg 70%
Magnesium (From Maltodextrin) 5mg 2%
Zinc (As Zinc Gluconate) 3.75mg 25%
Selenium (As Selenium Amino Acid Chelate) 49mcg 70%
Copper (From Soy Protein Isolate And As Copper Gluconate) 0.4mg 20%
Manganese (As Manganese Citrate) 4.8mg 240%
Chromium (As Chromium Polynicotinate) 72mcg 60%
Molybdenum (As Molybdenum Citrate) 37.5mcg 50%
Sodium (From Maltodextrin, Whey Protein Concentrate And Calcium/sodium Caseinate) 1.22g 51%
Potassium (From Whey Protein Concentrate) 2.91g 83%
Creatine Monohydrate 500mg **
Choline 100mg **
Inositol 200mg **
PABA (Para-Aminobenzoic Acid) 20mg **
Taurine 1g **
BMOV (Bis-Maltolato-Oxovanadium) 50mcg **
Betaine 100mg **
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000-calorie diet.
** Daily Value not established
***8224; 3 cups vitamin a & d fortified 2% reduced fat milk contributes an additional 360 calories, 14g fat (9g saturated fat), 55 mg cholesterol, 370mg sodium, 1130mg potassium, 35g total carbohydrates (35g sugars) and 24g protein.
***8224;***8224; 6 cups vitamin a & d fortified 2% reduced fat milk contributes an additional 730 calories, 28g fat (18g saturated fat) 110 mg cholesterol, 730 mg sodium, 2260 mg potassium, 70 g total carbohydrates (70 g sugars) and 48 g protein.
Ingredients:
Proprietary Protein Blend (Whey Protein Concentrate, Calcium/Sodium Caseinate, Soy Protein Isolate, Whey Powder, Egg Albumin), Maltodextrin, Crystalline Fructose, Dextrose, Alkalized Cocoa, Contains Less Than 2% Of Creatine Monohydrate, Retinyl Palmitate, DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Biotin, Folic Acid, Niacinamide, PABA, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamin Mononitrate, Cyanocobalamin, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ascorbic Acid, Phytonadione, Bis-Maltolato-Oxovanadium, Calcium Carbonate, Chromium Polynicotinate, Copper Gluconate, Ferrous Fumarate, Manganese Citrate, Molybdenum Citrate, Selenium Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Gluconate, Betaine, Choline Bitartrate, Meso-Inositol, Taurine, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Soy Lecithin (As An Emulsifier), Corn Starch, Sugar, And Mono And Diglycerides.

Contains Egg, Milk, Soy And Sulfites.

Still a NO, NO ?

 

[BigKevKris]

Try Whey to build Muscle by Need to Build Muscle. Lots of high quality whey for damn good price....flavors rock too.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Basics/Whey-To-Build-Muscle-p30.html

 

[Rawbot]

Try Whey to build Muscle by Need to Build Muscle. Lots of high quality whey for damn good price....flavors rock too.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Basics/Whey-To-Build-Muscle-p30.html

seems quite pricey IMO... considering that i could get that Megamass for $23 ish.... altho shippin is $26... but if i bought more than 1 ill be saving money cuz regular price in store is 52$ish...
also how long would the NTBM whey Last me ... i mean if i consider the 2 scoops recipe we're talkin about 50-60 Grams out of the 5Lb Bag which costs 50$...? im just trying to get the most out of my buck , feel me?of course without compromising results.. meaning im not gonna get something that doesnt work but its cheap.. im tryin to analyze as many choices as im presented, thanks!