it all makes sense now! my test is fucking bunk

[e92]

this specific lab has great reviews, and i've gotten from them before and never had any problems.

i ordered a 100ml jug, 1 test 1 tren, continued to cruise on 50mg test EOD of their test, and did a tren blast of up to 100mg ED. i was on the tren for 3 and a half months, it was decent. i know that tren makes me sort of pissy so i never thought anything of it while i was on, but even when i got off the tren i was still pissy. i was going through personal issues at the time, not health related, so i thought it was because of that but i've just been weird for months.

since i started using their products, june 1st 2014, i've been pissy.

i got bloods done on monday (yeah, i fucked up waiting this long i agree) and got my results today.

FSH <0.7 (1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)
LH <0.2 (1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)
PROLACTIN 9.8 (2.0-18.0 ng/mL)
TESTOSTERONE,TOTAL 380 (241-827 ng/dL)

total 380, and i've been "cruising" at "200mg" a week since june. this test is bunk. before i switched to this gear i was cruising at the same exact dose and my test was at 927.

so i've basically been off since october... what do i do? i have 10,000iu of HCG, along with clomid and nolva on the way.. should i just run that and then get bloods done or go to an endo reporting low test

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Well its not bunk, just severely under dosed. You haven't been "off" for any amount of time, you are still suppressed. You shouldn't treat this any differently.

 

[hiram1st]

What lab bro?

 

[e92]

Well its not bunk, just severely under dosed. You haven't been "off" for any amount of time, you are still suppressed. You shouldn't treat this any differently.

well maybe my body is just producing the 380 naturally?

 

[e92]

What lab bro?

oh i can discuss labs here? ARL

 

[hiram1st]

You can't discuss tge source but what brand name

 

[China_Wall]

50mg of test EOD??? so your cruise was 175mg per week??? that's about where you would be naturally

you shouldn't be expecting much from that amount, and add in how shitty tren can make some people feel... there you go

 

[e92]

50mg of test EOD??? so your cruise was 175mg per week??? that's about where you would be naturally

you shouldn't be expecting much from that amount, and add in how shitty tren can make some people feel... there you go

yeah naturally for an old man. what are you talking about? 175mg a week puts you at the high-normal range. like i said, last brand i used, i took the same amount and got 927. 175 a week should put you at least at 700. and i havent used the tren since october man. read my damn post before you reply

You can't discuss tge source but what brand name

thats the brand..

 

[e92]

Well its not bunk, just severely under dosed. You haven't been "off" for any amount of time, you are still suppressed. You shouldn't treat this any differently.

im quoting you in a previous thread i found...

Heres my bloodwork from running 50mg daily (which I feel is excessive - 25mg ed or eod would be best.)

Pre:

LH - 6 iu/L
FSH - 3 iu/L
TT - 522ng/dl


On clomid:

LH - 20 iu/L
FSH 9 iu/L
TT - 860ishh ng/dl... dont remember the exact number, but it was up there.

I love clomid!

what happens when you come off clomid though?

 

[Megatron28]

You are on test. Look at your LH and FSH. Those numbers don't lie.

How often are you injecting each week? If only once, I have seen people have pretty low troughs for TT. Are you using an AI? A lot of your test could be getting lost to aromatization.

We need more details to be able to figure out what is going on with you.

 

[e92]

You are on test. Look at your LH and FSH. Those numbers don't lie.

How often are you injecting each week? If only once, I have seen people have pretty low troughs for TT. Are you using an AI? A lot of your test could be getting lost to aromatization.

We need more details to be able to figure out what is going on with you.

im doing 50mg EOD prop. low LH and FSH don't necessarily mean that i am receiving exogenous testosterone. my buddy was an idiot and did no pct, was off for like 3 months and had undetenctable test, LH and FSH. i am taking 12.5mg aromasin like eod or e3d. im estrogen sensitive so i need a bit more than normal doses.

but hypothetically if i am overdoing my AI, it shouldn't reduce test THAT much. i've had many labs done in a past, and my body responds to 50mg EOD very nicely getting numbers of around 800-950 every time. its known that 200mg test a week puts you at the high spectrum of normal by most labs

 

[Megatron28]

im doing 50mg EOD prop. low LH and FSH don't necessarily mean that i am receiving exogenous testosterone. my buddy was an idiot and did no pct, was off for like 3 months and had undetenctable test, LH and FSH. i am taking 12.5mg aromasin like eod or e3d. im estrogen sensitive so i need a bit more than normal doses.

but hypothetically if i am overdoing my AI, it shouldn't reduce test THAT much. i've had many labs done in a past, and my body responds to 50mg EOD very nicely getting numbers of around 800-950 every time. its known that 200mg test a week puts you at the high spectrum of normal by most labs

Dependa on how the 200mg/week is taken -- at what frequency. For example, guys can take 200mg of test cyp once per week and their trough levels can be low, especially without an AI. I am just saying you can't always generalize and say things are absolute when it comes to TRT.

You are injecting something that is supposedly Testosterone in your body. Couple that with very low LH and FSH and it indicates that you are likely taking exogenous testosterone. It may be under dosed, but that is a different problem.

What is your E2 at? I am guess crashed given how much AI you are taking and how low your TT is.

What do you do? Stop blasting and cruising and run PCT.

 

[China_Wall]

yeah naturally for an old man. what are you talking about? 175mg a week puts you at the high-normal range. like i said, last brand i used, i took the same amount and got 927. 175 a week should put you at least at 700. and i havent used the tren since october man. read my damn post before you reply


thats the brand..

you should watch your mouth... besides your griping and whining all I detect is a punk ass kid... learn some respect before you go blabbing

 

[e92]

Dependa on how the 200mg/week is taken -- at what frequency. For example, guys can take 200mg of test cyp once per week and their trough levels can be low, especially without an AI. I am just saying you can't always generalize and say things are absolute when it comes to TRT.

You are injecting something that is supposedly Testosterone in your body. Couple that with very low LH and FSH and it indicates that you are likely taking exogenous testosterone. It may be under dosed, but that is a different problem.

What is your E2 at? I am guess crashed given how much AI you are taking and how low your TT is.

What do you do? Stop blasting and cruising and run PCT.

well 200mg a week i usually do 12.5 but since my shit is underdosed i'll drop the AI completely. and yup that's exactly what im doing. im just waiting for my goodies to arrive in the mail. dunno if i posted it up here but this is the pct protocol i want to run

500iu ED hcg week one, 250iu ED week two and then -- clomid 50mg and nolva 20mg for 4 weeks. then 4 weeks after taht i will get bloods. if they are still fucked i will see and endo.

 

[Megatron28]

well 200mg a week i usually do 12.5 but since my shit is underdosed i'll drop the AI completely. and yup that's exactly what im doing. im just waiting for my goodies to arrive in the mail. dunno if i posted it up here but this is the pct protocol i want to run

500iu ED hcg week one, 250iu ED week two and then -- clomid 50mg and nolva 20mg for 4 weeks. then 4 weeks after taht i will get bloods. if they are still fucked i will see and endo.

You have been on for 2.5 years. You really think a short PCT like that is going to cut it?

 

[trekrider215]

What did your e2 look like in your bloodwork?

 

[e92]

You have been on for 2.5 years. You really think a short PCT like that is going to cut it?

sorry i meant 8 weeks

What did your e2 look like in your bloodwork?

e2 was not tested

 

[trekrider215]

Idk if i missed it but the only symptom you seemed to have felt is being a little pissy. I feel like if you were running completely bunk gear and your test crashed you would probably notice a lot more. I mean whats your strength in the gym look like. How sex drive. Other than being pissy how have you been feeling. I feel like it should have been more noticeable. Ill agree that 175-200mgs a week should have you at the high end of the spectrum. My buddy is on trt running pharma grade and i see his bloodwork and 200 a week puts him around 1400 tt.

If you continue to cruise why domt you just order test from a new source, maybe try a long ester and get more blood work done at a later date? If your goal is to stay on why are you doing a pct? Or did you change your mind on cruising?

 

[e92]

Idk if i missed it but the only symptom you seemed to have felt is being a little pissy. I feel like if you were running completely bunk gear and your test crashed you would probably notice a lot more. I mean whats your strength in the gym look like. How sex drive. Other than being pissy how have you been feeling. I feel like it should have been more noticeable. Ill agree that 175-200mgs a week should have you at the high end of the spectrum. My buddy is on trt running pharma grade and i see his bloodwork and 200 a week puts him around 1400 tt.

If you continue to cruise why domt you just order test from a new source, maybe try a long ester and get more blood work done at a later date? If your goal is to stay on why are you doing a pct? Or did you change your mind on cruising?

none of that matters, my test is low its 380, test levels of an old man. the question here is, am i on really low dosed gear OR is my gear bunk and my body is producing the 380 naturally

 

[Megatron28]

none of that matters, my test is low its 380, test levels of an old man. the question here is, am i on really low dosed gear OR is my gear bunk and my body is producing the 380 naturally

If you were injecting canola oil instead of test, while taking an AI, your LH and FSH would be much higher. Therefore, that 380 TT is not natty. You effectively would have been on AI Monotherapy.