Megatron28
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Get blood work first and then adjust adex if indicated by results.
longest u guys habe run tren
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Get blood work first and then adjust adex if indicated by results.
Matt0071
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I dont have a prob with him, he knows his stuff from research, which is great, but totally dif when cycling composed to just reading and research how your own body reacts
I am in the refrigeration trade, its like people that goto school for 3 plus years and get outta school and do hands on and they dont have a clue, sure they kmow how that certain part functions but other then that they dont have any hands on experience, make sense?
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STAUNCHED427
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Are you getting any e2 sides besides the bloat and acne? Feeling emotional? Nipples getting sensitive? Not everyone will get the symptoms of jacked up e2. If you're on 500mg Test now, stay on .25mg ED stick with that and get blood tests to confirm where you levels are and adjust from there, chances are you might need a little more but we don't know that. No point chasing your tail trying to guess where you e2 is at.
I have had my fair share of how e2 effects me, from going to low and too high, the sweet spot, whilst dialling in TRT if that makes you sleep better at night. When you realise we are trying to actually help you, that's when things will work out better for you.
And for the record if you bothered to heavily research instead of bashing me for my research and admittedly no proper cycling experience besides TRT and not just go by the experience factor you would probably wouldn't be asking half the questions on here that you are...
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Matt0071
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The omly symtoms I get are pimples and alittle fatigue but got a new born too, work, then hit he gym so tired once I get home lol, no sore nips
No insomnia, sleep great
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STAUNCHED427
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Well done man I know people with new-born it can be a little stresful and interrupting on sleep at times lol. Elevated e2 can cause acne and fatigue, like I said some people when they have jacked up e2 get no sides, some only get a few select sides and some will get all of them. What exactly are you running again, 500mg Test E/C per week + 150mg Tren A EOD and .25mg Adex ED?
Test+Tren alone could cause acne due to the effects of androgens on oil secretion on skin, obviously everyone reacts different and there may not be much you can do about it. My skin goes quite dry with lowered e2, when it is elevated it goes much more oily and chances are yours is a little high. Like I said, no point trying to chase your tail and guess you e2, if you have to ask yourself am I too high or too low, you need blood work as it is the only way to tell for sure and then adjust as needed.
Leiurus
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Matt, I haven't made any comment on your thread so far, even though I have my opinion on your progress, current state and cycle history.
Before you call me out for pics you can dig my started threads and find one with my pics, I'm by no mean a hardcore BBer and I don't have an outstanding physique.
I think that getting back to cruise doses is the best idea you had so far since you started these weekly progress pics.
I would suggest you to keep the calories high for while, something like 4 to 8 weeks, the longer the better, my point being that if you loose mass quickly you'll feel frustrated and jump back on tren within a few weeks.
Adjust your cal intake until you're at maintenance level. From there, do a slow and steady cut. You will be pissed by your strenght stepping back but the trade is that you will progressively see more and more of the muscle you've built. It will also help you to learn about what food works for you, what are your maintenance and deficit levels, etc...
Once you're around 14-10% BF you can hop on tren again. IMO you're sitting at around 20% now and it is too high to run gear, you must aromatize quite a bit. Lowering your BF will make it much easier for you and for us to gauge your progress.
Give your body a break, it is not a waste of time at all if in the meantime you adjust your diet and training and get back to gear stronger and healthier. I don't want to sound paternalistic especially since it is not the topic of this thread, but you're a father now, don't wreck your body for something as superficial as being big. I know you're doing bloods, that you feel good, etc...but you've been on a fair amount of juice for an extended period of time.
I sincerely wish you the best.
STAUNCHED427
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Agreed man, give it all a rest and go back to your cruise dose of 200mg... Your body will thank you for it and when you do blast again in the future at least you will respond better.
I'd see what 200mg Test weekly can do for you with a solid diet and training, if you're still trying to get that all dialed in like you said earlier then you'd be a lot better off finding out how you respond to different diet and training techniques rather than AAS. Once you get those down and find what works, that's when AAS is going to give you the results you want.
Otherwise I would be blasting right now, but I still have to dial in my TRT properly but also my diet and training can be tweaked a bit more just like yours can. I would love to blast, it just isn't the right time now and I know that... it will come. This isn't a marathon race. 200mg weekly will probably put you over the top of the range for Test, if you can't build on that then it is your diet or training.
I'd see what 200mg Test weekly can do for you with a solid diet and training, if you're still trying to get that all dialed in like you said earlier then you'd be a lot better off finding out how you respond to different diet and training techniques rather than AAS. Once you get those down and find what works, that's when AAS is going to give you the results you want.
Otherwise I would be blasting right now, but I still have to dial in my TRT properly but also my diet and training can be tweaked a bit more just like yours can. I would love to blast, it just isn't the right time now and I know that... it will come. This isn't a marathon race. 200mg weekly will probably put you over the top of the range for Test, if you can't build on that then it is your diet or training.
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Dreaded Pirate Roberts
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Good to see your getting it. So your the one who bennifits for the gains. Stop fighting everyone and enjoy the process. Your too worried about eating clean.
Tren is used on Cows. Not my cows. We farm naturally grass fed hormone free.
Dreaded Pirate Roberts
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Matt you should look in to iff-1lr3 while you recover. Tren is very hard on the body.
PrinceDianabol
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Hey matt have you ever thought about injecting your test sub-q? Especially now your back to a cruise dose would be easily, plus at your bf% you got plenty to work with. Has that added benefit too of every two or three injections you find yourself grabbing at less and less subq fat. (Provided your cutting properly)
Just a suggestion since you mentioned you got alot of scar tissue build up.
Just a suggestion since you mentioned you got alot of scar tissue build up.
Rida5d
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I'm new on these forums and I read every post in this thread. Because of this one thread I can now determine who here is an asshole, a troll, a knowledgeable member, an attention whore, the jokester, and also I now understand who the "leaders" are (people you look up to for advice) and how this forum operates.
Thank you all for the best entertainment I've had all night while working 3rd shift.
On topic though, I'm not going to give any advice on cycling or anything regarding this subject since I am still new to it and researching this as well. But one thing I have noticed is a ridiculous amount of people, including Matt, don't focus on their diet and take AAS hoping it'll get them bigger or more cut. But I have personally witnessed and done so myself, that if you just diet you can get pretty cut up. I haven't gone anywhere below 9-10%bf before at 175lbs at the time. I am now 192lbs right now at ~15%bf still in my bulking phase. But can someone please explain to me why there are a lot of people here who can't take constructive criticism very well? Shit if I had someone tell me, "Hey fucker, you're doing all of this wrong and you look like shit! Here let me help you succeed..." I'd be like hell ya! Teach me.
TLDR; Matt learn to take cnc a little better. I don't know how you've gone this far in life if you haven't been able to take someone else's opinion/fact into consideration. Especially when they give you factual evidence.
Thank you all for the best entertainment I've had all night while working 3rd shift.
On topic though, I'm not going to give any advice on cycling or anything regarding this subject since I am still new to it and researching this as well. But one thing I have noticed is a ridiculous amount of people, including Matt, don't focus on their diet and take AAS hoping it'll get them bigger or more cut. But I have personally witnessed and done so myself, that if you just diet you can get pretty cut up. I haven't gone anywhere below 9-10%bf before at 175lbs at the time. I am now 192lbs right now at ~15%bf still in my bulking phase. But can someone please explain to me why there are a lot of people here who can't take constructive criticism very well? Shit if I had someone tell me, "Hey fucker, you're doing all of this wrong and you look like shit! Here let me help you succeed..." I'd be like hell ya! Teach me.
TLDR; Matt learn to take cnc a little better. I don't know how you've gone this far in life if you haven't been able to take someone else's opinion/fact into consideration. Especially when they give you factual evidence.
Matt0071
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Add some cardio in my routine maybe 10-15 min a day and keep on the dorian yates blood and guts routine, dont know if I could keep upw ith that pace specially the first few weeks gonna be anit roughbut ill tough it out, hopefully the mass I put on I dont loose to muh in the process
Matt0071
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Thanks bro
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