Looking for 2nd cycle advise!! Var/Deca?

[mbdrift11]

Hey guys, I looking for some info on what to do for my second cycle, mostly cutting, but want some gains too. I'm 23 years old, 6'5'' and 205lbs and lift 5 days a week and cardio 1-2 days.

First cycle:
weeks 1-8:50mg Anavar (var)
weeks 3-8: 50-100mg Clen
weeks 9-11: Nova

I am concerned with hair loss so i'd like to stay away from Test.

I 'm considering doing:
week 1-12: Deca at 100mg EOD
week 5-12: Anavar (var) at 50mg, maybe up tp 75-100 for last 3-4 weeks
PCT: Nova

Any suggestions/improvements on my second cycle, other than adding Test? Deca or Primo?

Thanks in advance.

 

[CenturionHRT]

Any suggestions other then adding Test?

You are asking for sides not using Testosterone...

I dont see anyone suggesting you run that.

 

[hellawaits77]

Any suggestions other then adding Test?

You are asking for sides not using Testosterone...

I dont see anyone suggesting you run that.

x2

W/ enough research, you'll find that certain precautions taken w/ Test will stop you from losing hair. I actually gained hair during.

 

[mbdrift11]

thanks for advice.

Thanks guys, after what you said I think I'm going to add 250 mg of test once a week, do u think this will be enough without hair loss?

 

[mbdrift11]

new cycle

Thanks for your input, as of now i'm leaning towards:

200mg deca: 2X a week 13 weeks
250mg test enan: once a week
50-100mg Anavar (var) last 8 weeks, everyday
just in case: Dostinex and HCG

Any more suggestions/improvements?

Thanks again for previous suggestions.

 

[RA64]

Thanks for your input, as of now i'm leaning towards:

200mg deca: 2X a week 13 weeks
250mg test enan: once a week
50-100mg Anavar (var) last 8 weeks, everyday
just in case: Dostinex and HCG

Any more suggestions/improvements?

Thanks again for previous suggestions.

You are going to run Deca 400mg a week, and Test 200mg a week.

So you would rather have Deca Dick over hair loss.

 

[mbdrift11]

Id rather have Deca Dick if its temporary, than permanent hair loss. What would you suggest I change about by cycle? any input is greatly appreciated.

 

[RA64]

I don't have a problem with hair loss, so I can't answer that question.

As for the cycle, it's best to run your Test higher than your Deca to help avoid Deca Dick. Deca should be run for 16 weeks.

Maybe some of the other guys can help you out with some hair loss suggestions while on a cycle.

 

[mbdrift11]

Alright, i'll look into it. Thanks RA64

 

[gorillaglue]

Nizoral AD works well for "hair retention" for me on cycle. I still shed on heavy androgen cycles, but I am hairy like Austin Powers so I don't really give a fuck. Seriously though, there are studies on Nizoral to support this (the RX version is "Nizoral"; OTC is Nizoral AD). The ketoconazole in it acts as a topically applied androgen receptor antagonist/DHT-interfering agent of sorts, so apply to the scalp and beard when you shower and keep more hair. That or use finasteride, but I personally give finasteride a big thumbs down due to increased risk of gyno (some will disagree; to each his own).

 

[hellawaits77]

200mg of Test is pointless, IMO. Yeah, you'll get some gains, but it will shut down your natty Test production for gains you probably will be disappointed by. Increase it to at least 300 mg/week. And yes, you'll get Deca-dick from using more Deca than test.

And about your hair, are you predisposed to MPB? If you aren't, AAS won't make you bald. If you are however, AAS will make you bald. Post here and let me know, and I'll give you tips. I'm somewhat of an expert on hairloss while on. Proud to say I gained hair during

 

[mbdrift11]

200mg of Test is pointless, IMO. Yeah, you'll get some gains, but it will shut down your natty Test production for gains you probably will be disappointed by. Increase it to at least 300 mg/week. And yes, you'll get Deca-dick from using more Deca than test.

And about your hair, are you predisposed to MPB? If you aren't, AAS won't make you bald. If you are however, AAS will make you bald. Post here and let me know, and I'll give you tips. I'm somewhat of an expert on hairloss while on. Proud to say I gained hair during

Thanks, Hella, I am predisposed to MPB, which is why I originally chose Deca and Anavar (var).

What suggestions would you give for reducing hairloss?/ any particular cycle you would recommend for me?

Any insight is appreciated! Thanks

 

[hellawaits77]

Always glad to help. Here's what you need to start doing, at least a month before your cycle starts:

Rogaine - 2x/day
Nizoral 2 % - 2x/week for 2 months, 1x week afterwards
Sprinolactone - ED
Finasteride (Propecia) - .5 mg/ED

The regular dose for Finasteride is 1mg/day, but blocking too much DHT can kill your libido and hamper your gains, big time. I got results from .5/ed. I can almost guarantee this will work for you.

1 more thing, is Deca isn't hair-friendly. Yes, there are drugs that are worse, but Deca definately isn't for the thinning. Anavar (var) is fine. If you truly wanna do another injectible, I'd do EQ. Not an expert on EQ, but I think it works similarly to Deca, but it's slower acting and longer lasting.

 

[RJ]

And yes, you'll get Deca-dick from using more Deca than test.

you have no idea what he's gonna get if his deca is higher than his test. Please stop making blanket statements because YOU got Deca dick or you read it somewhere. Plenty of people do what he's talking about without getting Deca dick.

With that being said, this whole thread is fucked up. to the OP, we don't do cycles for minimal hair loss. We do them to gain muscle. That's it. Choose your battles. If you are predisposed to MPB... then plan on using your hair.

Using 4 other things on the hopes that you won't lose your hair is ridiculous IMO. But even if you do those things hella suggested, which are good suggestions (although Propecia is more likely to cause imipotence than low dose Deca), after you stop, you're still predisposed to MPB, so chances are as time goes on you're gonna lose your hair anyway. if you wanna get big, say goodbye to your hair.

Stop fucking around with all this pussy shit. If you wanna gain muscle, do a real cycle. 50mg/d of Anavar (var) is garbage. Do a real cycle.

 

[Ythrashin]

RJ has spoken bro! Take heed and listen!

Man I love that shit...

 

[Wormwood]

you have no idea what he's gonna get if his deca is higher than his test. Please stop making blanket statements because YOU got Deca dick or you read it somewhere. Plenty of people do what he's talking about without getting Deca dick.

With that being said, this whole thread is fucked up. to the OP, we don't do cycles for minimal hair loss. We do them to gain muscle. That's it. Choose your battles. If you are predisposed to MPB... then plan on using your hair.

Using 4 other things on the hopes that you won't lose your hair is ridiculous IMO. But even if you do those things hella suggested, which are good suggestions (although Propecia is more likely to cause imipotence than low dose Deca), after you stop, you're still predisposed to MPB, so chances are as time goes on you're gonna lose your hair anyway. if you wanna get big, say goodbye to your hair.

Stop fucking around with all this pussy shit. If you wanna gain muscle, do a real cycle. 50mg/d of Anavar (var) is garbage. Do a real cycle.

X2

I've talked to PLENTY of people who have ran their 19-nor at a higher dose than test and have had no problems whatsoever.

 

[barrysanders]

you have no idea what he's gonna get if his deca is higher than his test. Please stop making blanket statements because YOU got Deca dick or you read it somewhere. Plenty of people do what he's talking about without getting Deca dick.

With that being said, this whole thread is fucked up. to the OP, we don't do cycles for minimal hair loss. We do them to gain muscle. That's it. Choose your battles. If you are predisposed to MPB... then plan on using your hair.

Using 4 other things on the hopes that you won't lose your hair is ridiculous IMO. But even if you do those things hella suggested, which are good suggestions (although Propecia is more likely to cause imipotence than low dose Deca), after you stop, you're still predisposed to MPB, so chances are as time goes on you're gonna lose your hair anyway. if you wanna get big, say goodbye to your hair.

Stop fucking around with all this pussy shit. If you wanna gain muscle, do a real cycle. 50mg/d of Anavar (var) is garbage. Do a real cycle.

My thoughts exactly! You need to decide what is more important and go the full distance with it. Do your research pick poisen and go get it done.

 

[hellawaits77]

Using 4 other things on the hopes that you won't lose your hair is ridiculous IMO. But even if you do those things hella suggested, which are good suggestions (although Propecia is more likely to cause imipotence than low dose Deca), after you stop, you're still predisposed to MPB, so chances are as time goes on you're gonna lose your hair anyway. if you wanna get big, say goodbye to your hair.

Easy big fella!!! As far as you calling my suggestions out, it worked for me! That's why I say it. Yes, once he STOPS using them, of course he'll begin to lose hair again. That's how hairloss treatment products work. I started using the 4 products I mentioned, and GREW HAIR ON CYCLE! Will I lose the hair if I stop? Absolutely!! But for now and the forseeable future, I am continuing to grow new hair. Not saying it will for sure work for him, but it worked for me

Had a friend who got Deca-dick from using too little Test. It didn't happen his next cycle, as he increased his Test dosage. So I'm just trying to help out based on something I've heard from a close friend. Maybe bump down the A-bombs

 

[RJ]

Easy big fella!!! As far as you calling my suggestions out, it worked for me! That's why I say it. Yes, once he STOPS using them, of course he'll begin to lose hair again. That's how hairloss treatment products work. I started using the 4 products I mentioned, and GREW HAIR ON CYCLE! Will I lose the hair if I stop? Absolutely!! But for now and the forseeable future, I am continuing to grow new hair. Not saying it will for sure work for him, but it worked for me

Had a friend who got Deca-dick from using too little Test. It didn't happen his next cycle, as he increased his Test dosage. So I'm just trying to help out based on something I've heard from a close friend. Maybe bump down the A-bombs

Calling you out? I said they were good suggestions you retard.

As for the Deca dick thing, the way you explained it in that last post is what I was talking about. You see the difference in these two statements?

And yes, you'll get Deca-dick from using more Deca than test.

This one is presented as fact when in fact its not a guarantee.

Had a friend who got Deca-dick from using too little Test. It didn't happen his next cycle, as he increased his Test dosage. So I'm just trying to help out based on something I've heard from a close friend. Maybe bump down the A-bombs

This one is perfect. Basically says you have no experience personally, but you had a friend who had it happen to him so it might be better to up the test a bit just in case.

big difference.

 

[hellawaits77]

LOL just kiddin'. Think we've high-jacked the thread enough.

To the author, good luck w/ everything Dude!