im 23 and jiust got off my first cycle. i did tweleve weeks of test e and had great results jumping from 178 to 200. the problem is i finished my cycle three weeks ago. my source for my pct told me that he was out n wasnt getting anymore for 8 eeks so im not on pct.. its only been three weeks and ive dropped soooo much size and am already almost at my normal weight.. i still hit the gym hard my diet is so clean 5 meals fish chickenegg whites ect ect.. i knew id lose some size and weight but is it normal without pct to lose it all??? im a bit pissed off for the money and time spent to look the same
Losing size and weight!!!!!!
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Go to the above banner rui-products, get toremfen, dose it @ 60/60/30/30 and get the shit rushed to you, You need to wait 2 weeks on test ethenate anyways so this isn't gonna kill you and you need the pct regardless. Your gonna lose some of what you gained everytime other wise we would all be 700 pound monsters.
i know i would lose some size and strength, but in three weeks, still religiouly in the gym, pounding food to lse almost all my size and me only a few pounds fom my starting weight.. thats what i do get. and i know i should of started wiit on hand just was eagar had a good source just waited to long.. but thanks guys on the advice i appreciate it
DADAWG
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lift hard and intense after a cycle but drop sets and reps until your natural testosterone recovers. its very easy to get catabolic post cycle. dont ever start a cycle again without your post cycle therapy (pct) meds allready on hand.
Not sure I understand this, don't see any issue in regards to keeping a good ammount of gains if someone is not at their natural limit.
I've only done oral before so I guess I could be wrong, but even from that I kept over 10lbs each time and lost maybe 1-2 reps on my lifts.
(I've seen you post similar things at bb.com so I'm just curious. If you're the 5x10 over there)
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yeah bro, thats me
whats your screename over there?
i just think its a bad idea to try to keep something you "gain" with hormones levels multiple times higher than they would ever be normally
take op for example, lets say he started his serms 7 days ago, do you think it would have stopped any of the bloat from shedding off?
over time, your body will go back to your hormonal limits
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The biggest proplem I see is that you diet and training must be way off. That last test shot was at half strength a week out and 1/4 at two weeks out. There is no way you would drop all the weight if you were eating right. If you are eating to clean, chances are you weren't taking in enough cals to support the weight without high levels of hormone. This is why we preach day in and day out that the AAS are such a small part in this. Without the food intake it all means nothing.
Follow what DAWG said on training. Heavy and intense but lower reps. Get in and out or you will quickly become catabolic and post cycle therapy (pct) helps save those gains when you have done things right. You will be lucky if you don't fall below your starting weight.
Follow what DAWG said on training. Heavy and intense but lower reps. Get in and out or you will quickly become catabolic and post cycle therapy (pct) helps save those gains when you have done things right. You will be lucky if you don't fall below your starting weight.
Cobra Strike
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user and dadawg nailed it and follow s&m's advice on getting pct...
lets also not forget about the advantages of hcg...maybe next time you will incorporate this as well
lets also not forget about the advantages of hcg...maybe next time you will incorporate this as well
Repo
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Exactly on all three - DADAWG User and Cobra...
I'll just add onto Cobras with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - very important to go to the "sticky section" at the top of the site and go into this link http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-pcts.html
Read the section that explains why it's important to do a "blasting phase" of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before starting your pct SERM.
This will help you keep your gains - plus you'll learn a great deal of ways to run your pct.
Your doing the right thing by asking questions - keep us updated as you move along.
By the way ... "welcome to Ology."
I just lurk bro.
Obviously the bloat goes, that's a good thing, but a good portion of strength and muscle gained should stay I don't see how your body can't hold onto that lean muscle gained provided you're not over your natural limit, your levels return to normal and your diet and training stay consistent. If what you're saying is true this will be my only and last time injecting and I will just do nothing but superdrol, since I keep the majority of strength and size gained from that, because if you go back to exactly how you started, what's the point? For an extreme example if a 150lber juiced to 220, there's no way he'd go all the way back surely?
No way. You can easily keep a lot of the weight gained. Gear or not I have gained a lot of weight over the years and I hold it when off for long periods of time. Simply is an understatement that you return to where you were prior. Why would anyone even workout if you cannot make gains??? AAS will amplify those gains but that does not mean you will lose them.
Alot of big guys well over their limit can hold onto it for long periods of time, but I don't know if they could forever, most seem to go back on eventually. I read a post from a NABBA champ on one of the UK boards who said he believes the body can adapt to hold onto alot of size even when not on.
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imo, its all about the law of averages
i know a 55 yr old thats still jacked, and he runs 200mgs of test a week, but keep in mind he was used AAS for the last 20-30 yrs
so it wouldnt make sense for him to shrink immedietalty as the law of avgs still has him at a higher hormonal avg
heck, i would like to change the word genetic limit to hormonal limit, meaning, your body is programmed to run at a certain level of hormones
once you juice, youve bypasses that limit, or govenor, and when you come off, the govenor is put back into place and your body will respond accordingly
i do agree somewhat that people that have not trained as much will keep more in terms of looks as i do think roids matures the look of your muscle
kind of messed up since the guys that put the work in naturally dont get that
Yes
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Steroids are for life. I guess you wern't paying attention to that part.
I bet he's going to jump on another cycle before 30 days have passed. He's probably got his order in as I write this.
Get use to it buddy...
You're 23 now so you still have about 30 years of gear pumping ahead of you. If you're not hooked up to a machine before then.
I bet he's going to jump on another cycle before 30 days have passed. He's probably got his order in as I write this.
Get use to it buddy...
You're 23 now so you still have about 30 years of gear pumping ahead of you. If you're not hooked up to a machine before then.
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As DaDawg said, lift hard, eat right and always have your PCT on hand along with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). its up to ur diet and training along with knowing your own body, these things will help u keep gains, not the juice. Good luck, RUI has all ur PCT and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) needs.
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thank u sir!
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