Low dose cycles--Truth and myth.

[jusanewbie]

still if they werent first time users then i dont think it can be used against his statments or atleast not fully. other than diet their are how people react to test which im sure is all over the board...and unless they were trained in some sort of group way were everyone does the same amount of exercise i dont see how the test can rly be accurate. ive taken my college stats but im no math wizz... i just dont believe this is one of those things u cant simply test 60 subjects and end up with a normal curve.

 

[jusanewbie]

also i would like to add.. me being a soon first time user i would like to say i wouldnt mind gaining lets say 25% less than someone on 600mg a week if it means less side effects. i mean being a first time ur so nervous about the million other things that the less you have to worry about the better. and the better your first cycle turns out (and by better i dont only mean big gains) the more likely you are to do a 2nd cycle. not like i did some poll or sumthin but makes sense to me

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you can do 200mg a week if you want, cause thats what you want to hear, cause you dont have much.

they didnt train during the cycle and their test levels were normal before they started.

did you read the study? doesnt sound like it.

the whole first cycle thing is bullshit anyway, new receptors are born everyday. the only difference between someone on their 1st cycle and their 7th is that they are probably closer to their genetic limit so its harder to grow. has nothing to do with "getting immune to testosterone".

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

as i said-anything less than 300 is a waste, anyone who says any different is full of shit and prolly hasnt even done a low cycle like that.

not to mention the fact that 200mg of cyp a week is only 138mg of pure test, the OP forget to mention ester weight in his rationale.

they say 70-90 a week is what a male produces but that is the average. i wonder how they got to that number?

 

[Larrybird]

Wish I would have read this before I started my first cycle. Oh well, you fight with the bull expect the horns.

Probably would have started my first cycle @ 400 or 350 if I would have known this. Still, I'm lovin the results @ 500.

Great read. Still, we need to see the research to be more accurate.

 

[Irentat]

also i would like to add.. me being a soon first time user i would like to say i wouldnt mind gaining lets say 25% less than someone on 600mg a week if it means less side effects. i mean being a first time ur so nervous about the million other things that the less you have to worry about the better. and the better your first cycle turns out (and by better i dont only mean big gains) the more likely you are to do a 2nd cycle. not like i did some poll or sumthin but makes sense to me

I do like your thinking and agree. Personally, it just seems so many people are looking to get as big as possible. I am not so maybe I am biased to the conservative side.

 

[jusanewbie]

you can do 200mg a week if you want, cause thats what you want to hear, cause you dont have much.

they didnt train during the cycle and their test levels were normal before they started.

did you read the study? doesnt sound like it.

the whole first cycle thing is bullshit anyway, new receptors are born everyday. the only difference between someone on their 1st cycle and their 7th is that they are probably closer to their genetic limit so its harder to grow. has nothing to do with "getting immune to testosterone".

k no need to get mad. if you are talking about me personally i have 3 vials of test cyp which wud be enough for almost any dose i prefer. i alrdy said u know ur stuff but their is no right or wrong answer to this.. sounds more like opinions to me.
your right i didnt do a full read of it so i wont comment much about that but i just have a question about it...so these 60 people jus sat on their asses and injected test and got stronger... lol who the f voluntered for the experiment

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

im not mad........go read it

 

[jusanewbie]

k well i read it and i dont see anything that wud prove to me that is it more accurate than i originally thought. it says "Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial." so if i understand correctly they did no exercise. i am here to learn more about steroids so correct me if im wrong but wudnt a persons genes be the only thing that would changes the outcome of the test? and i dont see how you can put someone on test and expect to see accurate results without him working out. ( other than his test levels)

 

[jusanewbie]

defeats the purpose of steroids...no?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

the reason they did not exercise is because like you pointed out, that would be too many variables.

i dont see how you can put someone on test and expect to see accurate results without him working out. ( other than his test levels)

i dont understand the logic here.......

 

[jusanewbie]

lol ok so there are less variables but then wtf are you testing for? ok maybe im wrong but i just see the logic in making a experiment with steroids and it involve no exercise... btw i sitll cant imagine who wud volunter to through their health at risk with steroids while getting nothing out of it and by nothing i mean not being allowed to workout..

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

they got something out of it-with the 600mg users they gained 17lbs of lean mass. and they had no side effects so it didnt even really effect their health. even cholesterol had no noticeable change worth recording in the 600mg group.

your not going to find any studies on males lifting weights while on cycle, its illegal.

there are plenty of studies out there with anavar and deca on HIV patients that have no sides and increase lean mass. studies were done of doses up to 600mg of deca.

 

[jusanewbie]

ok ill trust that is true but then u wud have to say if i went on 600 mg right now and just had a rly strict diet i wud just gain 17lbs? either that is exageratted or i jus dont know the true power of steroids. just because they had no side effects doesnt mean they didnt risk their health. i guessing they were atleast briefed about the possible side effects of what they are putting into their bodies

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

im not trying to talk you into doing 600mg-just saying dont go less than 300mg.

you need to read ALOT more before you start.

 

[KingCrane]

That is a great read, I would like to see a study like that on primobolan, I like when bros here give there oppinions, ultimatly everyone is diff, I believe that 250-300 is the perfect amount per week, OAK knows his shit so I have to believe him.

 

[jusanewbie]

im not trying to talk you into doing 600mg-just saying dont go less than 300mg.

you need to read ALOT more before you start.

i have been doing research for a good 4 or 5 months now. i think i have a good understanding. probably the only thing i am iffy about is what my dosage will be. doing a simple test only cycle shudnt be much confusion. thanks for the concern though. ill prob take around 300-400mg and just cruise with that. not too low but not the 600mg some are saying it a must. hey myabe ill take 600 mg next cycle if all is well. wish me luck

 

[jusanewbie]

That is a great read, I would like to see a study like that on primobolan, I like when bros here give there oppinions, ultimatly everyone is diff, I believe that 250-300 is the perfect amount per week, OAK knows his shit so I have to believe him.

lol he spent a good 2 hours helping me and giving me answer so i dont doubt him. like you said alot of it is opinion though.

 

[KingCrane]

the bros here care and the recomendations they give are from personal experences they have lived good or bad. good luck and dont stop reading becouse you will limit yourself if you do.....

 

[stacy001]

Great reading.. Everyone is different, what might work for one, might not work for another. You must do your homework. I've ran sust 250 for 10 weeks and had great results. low dose long cycle or high dose short cycles. Look at your goals, do your homework, weight risks and decide how best to achieve them.