Low T 384ng/dL at 20 years old.

[johnfromeurope]

Well i'm just asking...and it's not a dumb question at all since they asked me twice if i haven't eaten anything before...

 

[n0limits]

No, I just asked him a lot of basic questions about my future health and he told me there is some evidence of long-term health effects and then went on about how it's hard to say. I know they are all manageable and I get blood work done very frequently (twice a year) just to be sure. I'm actually thinking of doing a blast come December (500mg of Test E3D for 12 wks). Won't be telling the doc about that...haha... Do you think I'll be able to maintain gains on my regular testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of 100mg after I taper down?

 

[halfwit]

So you haven't seen the evidence you referred to? Just quoting your doc? That kind of puts it in a different light...

All the things you listed for injectable T are managed in a good testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol. You realize that, right? Hopefully you talked about how to manage them with your doc.

Even better, those all are attributed to ESTRADIOL, not testosterone. (Okay, prostate can be caused by DHT as well.)

Also, a ate a sandwich and a cup of milk in the morning before the tests. Should that be a concern?

Nope, you're fine. Eating if it's a fasted panel just throws off your glucose results, possibly giving a false positive for diabetes.

No, I just asked him a lot of basic questions about my future health and he told me there is some evidence of long-term health effects and then went on about how it's hard to say. I know they are all manageable and I get blood work done very frequently (twice a year) just to be sure. I'm actually thinking of doing a blast come December (500mg of Test E3D for 12 wks). Won't be telling the doc about that...haha... Do you think I'll be able to maintain gains on my regular testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of 100mg after I taper down?

I'd love to comment about your cycle plans, but we can't discuss that in the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) forums. I can as a general statement tell you that anabolic steroid "abuse" lean body mass gains are typically lost by either a poor diet post cycle, or one has exceeded their genetic capabilities - which isn't an issue if your testosterone is exogenous only and high enough to support that lean body mass. (Assuming 100mg/wk of testosterone puts you in the upper echelon for total testosterone.)

The only long-term effects that I know of are heart enlargement, elevated hematocrit/hemoglobin, DHT elevation (typically with gels) which can lead to accelerated male-pattern baldness, and a raging libido. The heart enlargement issue is still being looked at last I checked and is usually associated with supraphysiological levels of testosterone; while the other issues are easily taken care of with preventative maintenance such as blood donations on a regular basis.

My .02c

 

[Alpin]

Is it possible that primary hypogonadism(problem in the testicles) originates from an impact to my balls during my youth? I remember once we played inline hockey, and i was in the goal, man, that shot hurt..
Anyways, what i think where my problem stems from is that my left testicle is much smaller than the right one. It really seems small to me. It is also not nearly as sensitive as the right one. Could that be the core of the problem?
I'm reaaly curious where my LH and FSH levels are, will post as soon as i have the bloodwork done(in about three weeks).

I knew a kid (was my neighbor many years ago) he was climbing a tree and doing kid stuff messing and hanging off it till he fell crotch first into the picket fence below...he tore his scrotum and he needed hospital care ASAP!!!
He grew up to be 6"5" and he has kids today...
I'd say that is an extreme trauma to the testes...he recovered though.


What time did you go in for this blood work?
you need to go early(8 AM) after a good restful nights sleep...
don't eat anything, drink a coffee and go. Eat after blood test.
384 ng/dl is not really low and any endo will be reluctant putting you on TRT...
your best bet would be clomid or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but you don't even know your pituitary output....

 

[johnfromeurope]

you need to go early(8 AM) after a good restful nights sleep...

I woke up 7:40 and went in 9:40. I don't have a chance to do it earlier.
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So, finally i got the results!
ESTRADIOL: 26.81 ng/L
TOTAL TESTOSTERONE: 417 ng/dL
FSH: 1.57 IU/L; range 1.5-12.4
LH: 3.05 IU/L; range 1.7-8.6
What do you say?

 

[n0limits]

Alright, thanks. Didn't know we couldn't talk about that in this forum, I was actually directed here by the other forum. Sorry 'bout that.

 

[halfwit]

I woke up 7:40 and went in 9:40. I don't have a chance to do it earlier.
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So, finally i got the results!
ESTRADIOL: 26.81 ng/L
TOTAL TESTOSTERONE: 417 ng/dL
FSH: 1.57 IU/L; range 1.5-12.4
LH: 3.05 IU/L; range 1.7-8.6
What do you say?

I say I'd talk to your doc about clomid therapy. You're still in range for LH/FSH, but low in my non-MD opinion for someone your age. If clomid can't bring those up (which brings up your testosterone), you may have to look at alternatives. Then again, you are technically within range for testosterone - how do you feel? That's the important question I suppose.

Alright, thanks. Didn't know we couldn't talk about that in this forum, I was actually directed here by the other forum. Sorry 'bout that.

No worries mang, just trying to keep things copacetic with the sponsor of the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) board.

 

[johnfromeurope]

Hello!
I plan on doing HCG/Clomid start(not restart). For those who dindt follow the thread let me repeat, i've always been low on testosterone~around 400 ng/dL. So i'll at least try to move that number up a little bit.
My plan is this:
1- 250iu hCG EOD until testes have recovered size and firmness. If testes were small and do not recover size, abandon restart and live with TRT. Dose AI to match T levels, see my prior post. You can front load hCG with 500iu for the first 2 or 3 doses.

2- switch from hCG to SERM. No taper or delay. Time on could be two weeks. If you feel like things are getting worse, that may be an indication that you are not producing LH/FSH on SERM. One could do labs for that. If low LH/FSH, abandon restart and live with TRT.

3- Slowly taper off SERM and reduce anastrozole to 0.5mg per week in EOD doses.
4- PCT is now done, but stay on the reduced anastrozole for 4 weeks or longer.
5- Test TT, FT, LH, FSH. PCT may work, but not at the level I need.

Guys with experience, please let me know what you think about it, is it good for my situation?
esp. the question is do i need that hcg or not? i think it would be good to fire the balls up a little bit ..
Edit: i copied this plan from another forum and preety much left it untouched. so let me just tell im not using TRT, and have never been.

 

[johnfromeurope]

Anyone? I've just read nelson vergel's testosterone: a man's guide and he speaks about 2500IU EOD and 50mg Clomid twice daily+20mg nolva daily, i know that's exaggerating, at least the Clomid part..