Low Test yet High Libido !!!! I am sure you heard it a million times.

[_Romeo_]

yea i know... i used the search button and i googled, yet i couldn't find a decent answer.

So, 32 years old, in good shape, and been lifting for 10+ years now, only one cycle under my belt.. .always suspected that i had low Test level (mostly because of i had a Varicocele done twice at the ages of 14 and 20)

i have done 3 bloodworks already and all came back with low T ... I even had bloodwork done BEFORE my 1st cycle of Test E only and results came back with low Test.

I read that it is possible to have low Test and still have a great sex drive, and that's what i have, Also, it seems that it's a bitch finding a decent endo that knows what they are talking about... last thing i want is to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) when in fact my body is ok operating on low Test, since the symptoms are NOT there (besides the normal tiredness, but there's a million reason for that)

your input is appreciated.

 

[thefantom1]

What were your levels of T (total and free) and also estrodial???

 

[IMT staff]

Half of the men with low testosterone have no symptoms at all, that does not change the fact that low-t can cause diabetes, or cardio vascular disease.

 

[ScottyB28]

This is how I look at it, if it's low, you need to bring it up. Doesn't matter if you feel ok, you'll probably feel better if it were higher.

 

[_Romeo_]

@ IMT staff ... @ ScottyB28 Thank you for the reply.. that's why i wanted to ask someone who seems to know what they are talking about.

I am still getting the common response of " if you don't have the symptoms, then you mostly like don't need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), a smart endo will make sure that you have the symptoms first before prescribing anything."

my question is this, how would i be certain that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is what i need.. is it just the numbers, without the symptoms, or both? like i mentioned, i don't want to pin for life without being certain that this is what i need.

Also, i have my 2nd cycle put on hold (everything is ready though), if i went ahead with it and did a proper PCT, is that going to make matters worse as far recovery?

Last thing, my doctor suggested that they put me on a 3 month trial of AndroGel 1.6 to bring my Test up... she also mentioned that this type of treatment will bring up and sustain my Test level.... any thoughts on that?

 

[ScottyB28]

The gel is garbage. It might bring it up a little but once you get off, I don't see how it would stay up. To me it would drop it if anything. I'm not a Dr or anything but if I felt good with no symptoms, I probably wouldn't even worry about it. I had almost every symptom there is, so my choice of getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) was easy.

 

[_Romeo_]

The gel is garbage. It might bring it up a little but once you get off, I don't see how it would stay up. To me it would drop it if anything. I'm not a Dr or anything but if I felt good with no symptoms, I probably wouldn't even worry about it. I had almost every symptom there is, so my choice of getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) was easy.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it... i get that. Yet the fact remains it's low... so when do you draw than line between just keep going with low test and no symptoms, or get the numbers up regardless symptoms or no symptoms, especially that I want to keep lifting... is it just a personal choice at the end?

 

[methos]

What are your T levels? I would not be surpised at all if you start testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and lose your sex drive. Part of fixing something that is not broken and Murphy's law combined.

Just curious what your bloodwork numbers are.

 

[bitterdregs]

As someone in similar shoes, i had sex every day with t levels around 210-240. Only time there was an issue was if my BP got too high. Increasing my t only made it better. I'm not certain i had realized how my erections had changed over time.
But id agree that if ur happy w performance, hardness, gym performance, maybe dont mess w it. But I'm glad i did.

 

[300winmag]

I understand and agree with what everybody is saying. But if my numbers were low and everything was fine I would question taking more drugs and going through pinning all the time. Just because its low doesnt mean its unhealthy, not everybodys body operates the same. you might just be able to function fine with a low count. Just like two guys can sit down eat a whole pizza and one doesnt change and the other gains 3lbs while eating it. Personally I would get another test done and ensure all other factors are out of the way to include no alcohol use or recreational drug use a few days before, sleep at least 7-9hours for a few nights.

 

[_Romeo_]

I understand and agree with what everybody is saying. But if my numbers were low and everything was fine I would question taking more drugs and going through pinning all the time. Just because its low doesnt mean its unhealthy, not everybodys body operates the same. you might just be able to function fine with a low count. Just like two guys can sit down eat a whole pizza and one doesnt change and the other gains 3lbs while eating it. Personally I would get another test done and ensure all other factors are out of the way to include no alcohol use or recreational drug use a few days before, sleep at least 7-9hours for a few nights.

I agree... no 2 people operate the same. And i got blood taken on Friday so i am waiting on results ( i am also checking estrogen & progesterone as well as Test) ... As for now, i put the 2nd cycle that i was about to being on hold (Test Prop & NPP).

I honestly don't want to pin for the rest of my life, but at the same time, if my natty test is low to the point that i am losing the gains i am working so fking hard to obtain then there's no point of doing AAS cycle to begin with... i mean i am going to end up losing all of my gains... i want to be able to sustain some mass.... if that's the case, and my natty test is not enough to sustain mass and i keep losing (assuming there are still no low test symptoms yet) then i am going get into testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). what's the point of going through life below average just to avoid pinning for life.. fk it, i will pin for life if that's what i have to do.

 

[halfwit]

On the flip side of the coin, you may not realize something is wrong either. I know I accepted feeling shitty all the time because it really snuck up on me. It wasn't until I started reading about "brain fog"/lethargy and how they may be related to low levels of testosterone that I went and had my levels checked.

Being at 120ng/dL total test seemed normal to me because I didn't have anything to compare it to aside from nostalgic memories of my early twenties and teens. I thought we were supposed to feel a little run-down in our mid-thirties. However, after being at 700-850ng/dL of total test, I can COMPLETELY see what a difference there is, and nothing short of an extinction-level-event will anyone be able to take my pins and test vials away! (I actually look forward to the pins now tbh.)

With that said, it really is up to personal preference. If you feel fantastic and don't want to see if you can feel better, then by all means testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) may not be for you. I just advise that you get the entire picture by educating yourself on the subject before you completely close the book on the subject.

My .02c

 

[_Romeo_]

On the flip side of the coin, you may not realize something is wrong either. I know I accepted feeling shitty all the time because it really snuck up on me. It wasn't until I started reading about "brain fog"/lethargy and how they may be related to low levels of testosterone that I went and had my levels checked.

Being at 120ng/dL total test seemed normal to me because I didn't have anything to compare it to aside from nostalgic memories of my early twenties and teens. I thought we were supposed to feel a little run-down in our mid-thirties. However, after being at 700-850ng/dL of total test, I can COMPLETELY see what a difference there is, and nothing short of an extinction-level-event will anyone be able to take my pins and test vials away! (I actually look forward to the pins now tbh.)

With that said, it really is up to personal preference. If you feel fantastic and don't want to see if you can feel better, then by all means testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) may not be for you. I just advise that you get the entire picture by educating yourself on the subject before you completely close the book on the subject.

My .02c

Interesting... well mt next cycle like i mentioned, i am planning Test Prop with NPP... @ 150mg each EOD. That's enough Test to make feel the difference.... and i can asses from there. Meanwhile i am waiting on the latest results for my bloodwork.

Assuming i got on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a while and wanted off, the chances of me getting back to my original low natty Test level will be diminished i am guessing !!!

 

[Megatron28]

@ IMT staff ... @ ScottyB28 Thank you for the reply.. that's why i wanted to ask someone who seems to know what they are talking about.

I am still getting the common response of " if you don't have the symptoms, then you mostly like don't need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), a smart endo will make sure that you have the symptoms first before prescribing anything."

my question is this, how would i be certain that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is what i need.. is it just the numbers, without the symptoms, or both? like i mentioned, i don't want to pin for life without being certain that this is what i need.

Also, i have my 2nd cycle put on hold (everything is ready though), if i went ahead with it and did a proper PCT, is that going to make matters worse as far recovery?

Last thing, my doctor suggested that they put me on a 3 month trial of AndroGel 1.6 to bring my Test up... she also mentioned that this type of treatment will bring up and sustain my Test level.... any thoughts on that?

Ask your doctor how he would treat someone with high blood pressure or high cholestrol but doesn't have symptoms. Would he do nothing or would he treat the numbers? High blood pressure is called the silent killer for a reason. They just need to starting thinking about treating low T the same way.

 

[Megatron28]

Interesting... well mt next cycle like i mentioned, i am planning Test Prop with NPP... @ 150mg each EOD. That's enough Test to make feel the difference.... and i can asses from there. Meanwhile i am waiting on the latest results for my bloodwork.

Assuming i got on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a while and wanted off, the chances of me getting back to my original low natty Test level will be diminished i am guessing !!!

Dude -- don't be fucking around with cycles and messing your hpta up even more. Figure out what is wrong with you first. You can't do that if you are all juiced up. I get your desperation but you need to be smart about your health.

 

[_Romeo_]

Dude -- don't be fucking around with cycles and messing your hpta up even more. Figure out what is wrong with you first. You can't do that if you are all juiced up. I get your desperation but you need to be smart about your health.

Not fucking around with cycles bro... believe me, my health is my number 1 priority. Reason i mentioned the above is because i already got consistent low reading on my T level... nothing new ( i mentioned above that i had 2 surgeries performed on my left testicle aka Varicocele) . I just got blood taken for a few extra tests just to make sure. Yet if all said and done and i am faced with making that personal choice because my doctor wants to put me on a 3 moth trial period of AndroGel 1.6, i would chose to go through a cycle and asses from there... My T level is already low as it is, you get my point?

 

[halfwit]

Not fucking around with cycles bro... believe me, my health is my number 1 priority. Reason i mentioned the above is because i already got consistent low reading on my T level... nothing new ( i mentioned above that i had 2 surgeries performed on my left testicle aka Varicocele) . I just got blood taken for a few extra tests just to make sure. Yet if all said and done and i am faced with making that personal choice because my doctor wants to put me on a 3 moth trial period of AndroGel 1.6, i would chose to go through a cycle and asses from there... My T level is already low as it is, you get my point?

The only problem with the cycle you have mapped out is that you're going to be experiencing supraphysiological testosterone levels so you won't be able to gauge your feeling of wellness accurately. I know that I feel like superman on 500mg/wk+ of test, but that doesn't mean when I taper back down to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses I feel the same way. It's your body, but I'd get the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) hammered out first, then cycle. Varioceles are commonly seen as a cause for low testosterone by the way, I'm surprised your doc didn't say something about it then.

If you choose to opt for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) first, I'd be sure to stay away from gels and go straight for the injections since you're not shy of needles. Just my opinion, let us know how it goes.

Good luck!

 

[_Romeo_]

The only problem with the cycle you have mapped out is that you're going to be experiencing supraphysiological testosterone levels so you won't be able to gauge your feeling of wellness accurately. I know that I feel like superman on 500mg/wk+ of test, but that doesn't mean when I taper back down to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses I feel the same way. It's your body, but I'd get the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) hammered out first, then cycle. Varioceles are commonly seen as a cause for low testosterone by the way, I'm surprised your doc didn't say something about it then.

If you choose to opt for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) first, I'd be sure to stay away from gels and go straight for the injections since you're not shy of needles. Just my opinion, let us know how it goes.

Good luck!

if you don't mind explaining how i wouldn't be able to gauge my feeling of wellness!! Wouldn't someone on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) reach 600-800mg of Test on weekly basis? My dosage of prop would be around the 600 on a weekly basis...i am not trying to be a pain in the ass, i just don't understand it.

Also, i appreciate the input as far as getting the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) taken care of before doing the cycle (even though i was so excited about it and ordered everything)... i am going to leave the cycle on hold for now, till i figure out how i am gonna proceed with this.

As far as pinning, i enjoyed pinning during my first cycle.. pinned quads from beginning to end and was looking forward to it

 

[300winmag]

The only problem with the cycle you have mapped out is that you're going to be experiencing supraphysiological testosterone levels so you won't be able to gauge your feeling of wellness accurately. I know that I feel like superman on 500mg/wk+ of test, but that doesn't mean when I taper back down to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses I feel the same way. It's your body, but I'd get the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) hammered out first, then cycle. Varioceles are commonly seen as a cause for low testosterone by the way, I'm surprised your doc didn't say something about it then.

If you choose to opt for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) first, I'd be sure to stay away from gels and go straight for the injections since you're not shy of needles. Just my opinion, let us know how it goes.

Good luck!

Gels are crappy I did it, but hey it works for some, but even if it worked i would opt for a needle once a week vs everyday wipping that stuff on. I would have to agree throwing cycles in the mix are not advantagous in the long run and really isnt something to be sustained. I agree operating at max capability but the reality is everybody has a limit and different from the guy to the left and right. Cycling is not something that well lets be honest is healthy to start with, but thats one choice, either way is not something you should continue to do. Like I said before if you feel fine and your gains are fine why mess with it, maybe you should try a clomid restart.

 

[Megatron28]

if you don't mind explaining how i wouldn't be able to gauge my feeling of wellness!! Wouldn't someone on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) reach 600-800mg of Test on weekly basis? My dosage of prop would be around the 600 on a weekly basis...i am not trying to be a pain in the ass, i just don't understand it.

Also, i appreciate the input as far as getting the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) taken care of before doing the cycle (even though i was so excited about it and ordered everything)... i am going to leave the cycle on hold for now, till i figure out how i am gonna proceed with this.

As far as pinning, i enjoyed pinning during my first cycle.. pinned quads from beginning to end and was looking forward to it

Guys on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) generally only take between 100 to 200 mg of test per week. The goal is to get your Total T back into the normal range -- not above it. And that dose usually is enough to do that.