missed info and irresponsible in my research, need help with a pct plan

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premier1217

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I am 44 and this is the second cycle of test specifically for me. I missed an un answered question in my research this last year

first cycle may 2012 I pct just fine from a 16 week 300mg twice a week of enthanate with ai , and pct clomid and nolvadex only. no hcg and responsible labs .no problem.

second cycle In Jan 2014 I got this idea from somewhere, well it was not thought out well (my fault), to keep on using test E 250/wk after 10 weeks and not stop, and just keep on pinning, use an ai and life was good , not realizing the long term shut down i was subjecting to myself and now I am hoping for the best pct kickstart plan in my situation LOL LOL.

BUT now I am just getting tired of pinning and even have become irresponsible in research and particularly labs ,so I wanna stop cycling , do or try the best pct possible from the board or hear what the forum thinks I SHOULD BE DOIN, take a break and I DIDNT realize I would shut down possibly forever having to resort to TRT.

I do have some hope in the hcg to help restart me which I have and clomid and nolva.
 
hiram1st said:
I would continue pinning another 4 weeks adding HCG 250 IU 2xweek then start your PCT. HCG will supress you hpta so you don't want to be running it during your PCT.

Have you read this?:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html
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If what you're suggesting is correct, that he should pin the test for another 4 weeks. Test E will be active for quite a while after. That would mean to pin the HCG for 6 weeks. Then begin PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex.

Instead I would recommend a more aggressive HCG protocol at this point. We want him off the Test ASAP, if he's got the HCG and BAC water to mix on hand that is. It's not generally recommended to run HCG at larger more frequent doses at the end of a cycle, but it's past the point of using it consistently throughout cycle.

Something like 500iu's - 1000iu's per day for 10 days. Stop HCG treatment, wait 3-4 days, begin PCT. Clomid ED - Weeks 1-4 100/100/50/50, Nolva ED - Weeks 1-4 - 40/40/20/20

Premier, you have a possibility of recovery here. I'd say it's worth trying, and twice if the first time doesn't work.

Would like to hear some vet's idea's on this as well.
 
hiram1st said:
I would continue pinning another 4 weeks adding HCG 250 IU 2xweek then start your PCT. Start PCT 16 days after last pin HCG will supress you hpta so you don't want to be running it during your PCT.

Have you read this?:

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html
Click to expand...

I have been reading quite a bit this last few weeks. the light came on about shutdown (hypogonadism, testicular atrophy) as I was skimming thru material to source pct stuff three weeks ago,, a hour or more a day reading material sometimes more..

I will read it again.

I also thought that this pct below to incorporate would work for me,

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/664646-cycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html and uses a lot more hcg to kickstart me looking for feedback from the forum.

thanks for the replys I would like to hear more
 
Hypnotix said:
If what you're suggesting is correct, that he should pin the test for another 4 weeks. Test E will be active for quite a while after. That would mean to pin the HCG for 6 weeks. Then begin PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex.

Instead I would recommend a more aggressive HCG protocol at this point. We want him off the Test ASAP, if he's got the HCG and BAC water to mix on hand that is. It's not generally recommended to run HCG at larger more frequent doses at the end of a cycle, but it's past the point of using it consistently throughout cycle.

Something like 500iu's - 1000iu's per day for 10 days. Stop HCG treatment, wait 3-4 days, begin PCT. Clomid ED - Weeks 1-4 100/100/50/50, Nolva ED - Weeks 1-4 - 40/40/20/20

Premier, you have a possibility of recovery here. I'd say it's worth trying, and twice if the first time doesn't work.

Would like to hear some vet's idea's on this as well.
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Thanks for the enlightenment that a recovery is possible

This first week on my own I started HCG 500iu 2w/wk? Should I make it 250iu 2wk to make sure I don't desensitize myself?

I thought this plan would be a baseline

4more weeks test E , hcg 2wk/ 500iu :

wk 1 test e 250/wk, hcg 2wk/ 500iu
wk 2 test e 125/wk hcg 2wk/ 500iu
wk 3 test e 125/wk hcg 2wk/ 500iu
wk 4 test e 50/wk hcg 2wk/ 500iu
after the last pin 10 days of 1000iu per day HCG usage
Stop HCG treatment, wait 3-4 days, begin PCT. Clomid ED - Weeks 1-4 100/100/50/50, Nolva ED - Weeks 1-4 - 40/40/20/20

Or scrap the idea of diminishing the amounts of test leading up to pct and administer HCG just like you said Hypnotix?
 
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the guys have given some decent advice..

here is what i would do.. keep the test e dosages the way you want them in the post above..

start injecting 200iu eod for the remainder of the cycle..

the one week after you stop test injections.. up your hcg to 300iu eod... then stop hcg and start your clomid
 
Hiram I also read some other pct ideas that deal with long term cycles and I do not know anything like I thought I did. I realize I AM at a point of confusion LOL.

Here is anothers idea on PCT below from a user of TEST and tren AND I am not saying who is right over another, I didn't or havent got the education foundation to know truthfully the difference in whats best . I ha.ve to make a decision though

"for starters, i would lower your test as low as you can go. start off at 200mg every wk, split into 2 injections. 100 mon and 100 thurs. at the same time, i would start taking 250iu hcg, every 3 days. stay on your AI for the time. aromisin is ideal. 12.5mg ED to EOD. then after a couple wks, lower test to 100mg EW, 50mg mon, 50 thursday. stay on the hcg and AI. after that, cut out the test and begin nolvadex at 20mg ED, hcg 250iu every 3 days, and arom 12.5 ED. i would do that for about 2 wks. in the next wk, i would keep the nolvadex the same and the arom the same, but up the HCG to 3x a wk at 1000iu. 3 days after your last HCG shot, i would begin clomid at 100mg ED and nolva at 20mg, arom at 12.5mg. this is your first real week of PCT. in week 2 and 3 of PCT, 50mg clomid, 20mg nolva, 12.5 arom. in week 4, i would cut the clomid to 25mg ED, nolva 20mg, arom 12.5mg. from there, i would cut the clomid out all together for the following wk, now only running 20mg nolva, 12.5 arom, then in the next wk, i would cut the nolva to 10mg and reduce the arom to 12.5 EOD. continue on this for 10 days and after that, i would discontinue nolva and run arom for an additional wk at 12.5 every 3 days.

THIS PCT above directs one to lower test in the final week to 100mg (last pin) ,
then the next week start nolvadex 20mg ED and pin HCG 250iu 3X/WEEK
2nd week after last pin repeat nolvadex 20mg ED and pin HCG 250iu 3X/WEEK.
3rd week after last pin repeat nolvadex 20mg ED and pin HCG 1000iu 3X/WEEK
Three days after last 1000 IU PIN HCG is your actual PCT..
.
I am only questioning.
 
running 1000iu will desensitize you.. which is why is said run 300..

you can run it this way first and play it safe.. if you see that your recovery isn't there in 2-3 months you can run another cycle of hcg and clomid
 
Desperate me, aggressive restart wanted

I am 44 and this is the second cycle of test specifically for me. I missed an un answered question in my research this last year

first cycle may 2012 I pct just fine from a 16 week 300mg twice a week of enthanate with ai , and pct clomid and nolvadex only. no hcg and responsible labs .no problem.

second cycle In Jan 2014 I got this idea from somewhere, well it was not thought out well (my fault), to keep on using test E 250/wk after 10 weeks and not stop, and just keep on pinning, use an ai and life was good , not realizing the long term shut down i was subjecting to myself and now I am hoping for the best pct kickstart plan in my situation LOL LOL.

BUT now I am just getting tired of pinning and even have become irresponsible in research and particularly labs ,so I wanna stop cycling , do or try the best pct possible from the board or hear what the forum thinks I SHOULD BE DOIN, take a break and I DIDNT realize I would shut down possibly forever having to resort to TRT.

I do have some hope in the hcg to help restart me, also I have and clomid and nolva.

I pinned HCG 2x/wk @ 500 iu. last week...

plan on continuing HCG 200 iu EOD for at least another 4 weeks till I pin my last test E injection then just to make sure folks ANOTHER 10 DAY of hcg 300 EOD and start pct ? Have I GOT IT RIGHT?

Order a boatload of Cialis I will need it also ?
 
premier1217 said:
I am 44 and this is the second cycle of test specifically for me. I missed an un answered question in my research this last year

first cycle may 2012 I pct just fine from a 16 week 300mg twice a week of enthanate with ai , and pct clomid and nolvadex only. no hcg and responsible labs .no problem.

second cycle In Jan 2014 I got this idea from somewhere, well it was not thought out well (my fault), to keep on using test E 250/wk after 10 weeks and not stop, and just keep on pinning, use an ai and life was good , not realizing the long term shut down i was subjecting to myself and now I am hoping for the best pct kickstart plan in my situation LOL LOL.

BUT now I am just getting tired of pinning and even have become irresponsible in research and particularly labs ,so I wanna stop cycling , do or try the best pct possible from the board or hear what the forum thinks I SHOULD BE DOIN, take a break and I DIDNT realize I would shut down possibly forever having to resort to TRT.

I do have some hope in the hcg to help restart me, also I have and clomid and nolva.

I pinned HCG 2x/wk @ 500 iu. last week...

plan on continuing HCG 200 iu EOD for at least another 4 weeks till I pin my last test E injection then just to make sure folks ANOTHER 10 DAY of hcg 300 EOD and start pct ? Have I GOT IT RIGHT?

Order a boatload of Cialis I will need it also ?
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I did some cbc lipids bloodwork labs ,

CHOLESTEROL 125 - 200 mg/dL 206
HDL CHOLESTEROL > OR = 40 mg/dL 29
TRIGLYCERIDE <150 mg/dL 96
LDL CHOL CALC <130 mg/dL (calc) 158

CHOL/HDL RATIO < OR = 5.0 (calc) 7.1
NON-HDL CALCULATED 177




RED BLOOD COUNT 4.20 - 5.80 Million/uL 5.61
HEMOGLOBIN 13.2 - 17.1 g/dL 16.5
HEMATOCRIT 38.5 - 50.0 % 49.1
MCV 80.0 - 100.0 fL 87.6
MCH 27.0 - 33.0 pg 29.5
MCHC 32.0 - 36.0 g/dL 33.7
RDW 11.0 - 15.0 % 12.9
PLATELET COUNT 140 - 400 Thousand/uL 191
NEUTROPHIL # 1500 - 7800 cells/uL 3896
LYMPHOCYTE # 850 - 3900 cells/uL 869
MONOCYTE # 200 - 950 cells/uL 493
EOSINOPHIL # 15 - 500 cells/uL 37
BASOPHIL # 0 - 200 cells/uL 5
NEUTROPHILS % 73.5
LYMPHOCYTE % 16.4
MONOCYTE % 9.3
EOSINOPHIL % 0.7
BASOPHIL % 0.1

TSH W/REFLEX TO FT4 0.40 - 4.50 mIU/L 1.42

My Cholesterol has gotten outta hand also.

I don't have other labs other than a TT which is 1438

I have good blood pressure 110/70
and am about 12-14% BF year round a decent diet


Any Comments are welcome as to how one can get themselves in a bad situation from cruising irresponsibly without getting blood test responsibly like I did.
 
I just had total testosterone from 09/01/2015 and the results came in 579 at noon time not the best time for taking a lab test however with no supplements this is a all natural number ,

I don't feel the best like when I was on TEST but just I thought I would end up with a lower number
 
Time to donate blood if hematocrit still up there.
LDL-P via NMR is what counts. Or Apo-B... Standard cholesterol levels are designed to sell drugs. Statins do more harm than good for many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlJE2Rqs0w < Dr Dayspring, a great lipidologist.

Glad you're recovering. Many TRT docs (insurance companies) stop exogenous Test if above 800, btw.
 
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