Mixing carbs with fat?

Jean-Claude

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Hey I was always told to NEVER mix carbs with fat in the same meal because of the insulin rise the carbs will create, which makes it easier to store the available fat. Lately I've been told it's BS by more and more ppl.. anyone has a opinion or more info on this? thanks
 
It is a myth, read this. It is a little dated, but Alan believes in this still. I think Alan is a pretty damn good source with this stuff.

Carbs & Fat: Friends After All? - AlanAragon.com - Fitness Based on Science & Experience

The bottom line is that as long as you’re aware of your macronutrient targets for the day, go ahead and sludge that peanut butter into your oatmeal if your little heart desires it. Leave the neurotic eating behaviors for those with a lot of faith in fairy tales.

Also read this for several opinions on the subject. Go to the second question asked.

Bodybuilding Nutrition Roundtable: Alan Aragon, Will Brink, Jamie Hale, Layne Norton - AlanAragon.com - Fitness Based on Science & Experience
 
There is nowhere in nature or natural unprocessed food where both high carbs/sugar & fat are together and available. Fruit is high in sugar, but almost zero in fat. Veggies are high in fiber & carbs, but low in fat. Where there is fat (avocadoes, coconuts) there is an abundance of fiber & not much sugar. We were not engineered to eat them both at the same time. I stay cut as do most of my trainer friends by not mixing the two, and staying away from sugars ( including fruit ) unless we want to pack on some triglycerides into our fat cells.....
 
There is nowhere in nature or natural unprocessed food where both high carbs/sugar & fat are together and available. Fruit is high in sugar, but almost zero in fat. Veggies are high in fiber & carbs, but low in fat. Where there is fat (avocadoes, coconuts)

Avocados and coconuts do contain quite a bit of carbs though, nuts as well contain both fat and carbs
 
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you can eat carbs and fat together without any issue. The whole idea of eating them separately was popularised by John Berardi, and he admits now that it was incorrect.

and to the guy who said that nowhere in nature do carbs and fat occur together, WTF? I've honestly never heard such nonsense.

Jean-Claude, read those articles Antm posted. Alan Aragon is the business
 
1 avocado contains only about 4 grams of digestible carbs, the rest is fiber. I don't know what is alot to you but that is not alot. Nuts don't contain many carbs either. No meats or animals contain any carbs. Research a little biochemistry, your body cannot store fat without insulin, insulin is not produced to any biological effect on your body without carbs, you cannot get fat by eating only fat and protien it's just not possible. We were not engineered biologically to eat fat and carbs together without storing calories as fat plain and simple.
 
i have studied nutrition and exercise physiology a bit and i've never really seen much about not combining fat and carbs. i personally think it's hogwash.

consider this: fats take time to break down and digest, essentially slowing down digestion time. simple carbs break down quickly and are absorbed into the bloodstream, raising blood sugar levels.

to control insulin and glucagon levels, i ALWAYS have 15 grams of healthy fats at every meal. this promotes leanness by slowing down the carbs you eat with them.

i personally dieted from 22%bf to 8% by slowly reducing carbs over several months and eating 15g of healthy fats at each meal to control body fat levels.
 
i have studied nutrition and exercise physiology a bit and i've never really seen much about not combining fat and carbs. i personally think it's hogwash.

consider this: fats take time to break down and digest, essentially slowing down digestion time. simple carbs break down quickly and are absorbed into the bloodstream, raising blood sugar levels.

to control insulin and glucagon levels, i ALWAYS have 15 grams of healthy fats at every meal. this promotes leanness by slowing down the carbs you eat with them.

i personally dieted from 22%bf to 8% by slowly reducing carbs over several months and eating 15g of healthy fats at each meal to control body fat levels.

I agree, increased fat and lowered carbs absolutely leads to body fat loss. Your body is more efficient at burning fat for fuel than sugars contrary to popular brainwashed belief.
 
dude eat a balanced diet and ull b fine . or work out how ur body works everyone is unique .
 
I believe in macro-nutrient separation 100%, since changing to that style I've been able to get leaner than ever.
 
1 avocado contains only about 4 grams of digestible carbs, the rest is fiber. I don't know what is alot to you but that is not alot. Nuts don't contain many carbs either. No meats or animals contain any carbs. Research a little biochemistry, your body cannot store fat without insulin, insulin is not produced to any biological effect on your body without carbs, you cannot get fat by eating only fat and protien it's just not possible. We were not engineered biologically to eat fat and carbs together without storing calories as fat plain and simple.

Sorry to say, but stop spreading crap. Let me ask you this? Do you eat every 2-3 hours? You could even probably extend what I'm going to say to 4 hours. If you do eat frequently, do you honestly think everything you ate the meal prior is completely absorbed before you eat 3 hours again? It isn't. If it isn't then having a protein and carb meal followed by a protein and fat meal would be a no no with your theory. Even if one wants to avoid combining fats and protein, it will more than likely happen especially if the person eats frequently.
 
Sorry to say, but stop spreading crap. Let me ask you this? Do you eat every 2-3 hours? You could even probably extend what I'm going to say to 4 hours. If you do eat frequently, do you honestly think everything you ate the meal prior is completely absorbed before you eat 3 hours again? It isn't. If it isn't then having a protein and carb meal followed by a protein and fat meal would be a no no with your theory. Even if one wants to avoid combining fats and protein, it will more than likely happen especially if the person eats frequently.

Everyone has their own opinion, mine is based on fact. IF you have carbs and fat together, you are going to store more in your fat cells than if you ate only fat and protein together or carbs by themselsves. Basic biochemistry, not C R A P. This is fact, not my opinion. I'm happy you have an opinion, so do I and this person was just asking our opinions. Back it up with fact before flaming...
 
Everyone has their own opinion, mine is based on fact. IF you have carbs and fat together, you are going to store more in your fat cells than if you ate only fat and protein together or carbs by themselsves. Basic biochemistry, not C R A P. This is fact, not my opinion. I'm happy you have an opinion, so do I and this person was just asking our opinions. Back it up with fact before flaming...

Yea, because the links I posted, especially the one interviewing Alan Aragon, Layne Norton, Will Brink and Jamie Hale mean nothing. I already "backed up" my post last week. If you'd like, I'll give something else from valued people

" When eating any carbohydrate (simple or complex), it is beneficial to add
1-2 servings of good fats (almonds, peanut butter, avocado, flax oil,
reduced fat dressing) to reduce insulin release. Fats will bind with
carbohydrates in the stomach and release smaller amounts into the intestine. This smaller (bolus) amount of digested good carbs will indicate
a smaller need for insulin. Therefore, reducing chances of excess fat
storage."

http://webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/other/theleanmassdiet.pdf

Look at the meal plans here

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/docs/2007/bulkingforendomorphs.pdf

Here too. " When you combine fat and carbohydrates, the fat encapsulates the
carbohydrates and slows down digestion, minimizing the insulin spike.
When you combine protein and carbohydrates, it sends insulin skyrocketing and can lead to the last thing you want when dieting, fat storage!
We like to refeed with starchy, nutrient-dense carbohydrates and
good fats with no protein every third day depending on caloric intake."

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/docs/2007/gameover_vol2.pdf

And yet you have not "backed up" your claim. So until you can please do not say that combining fats and carbs is bad and that is fact.
 
Yea, because the links I posted, especially the one interviewing Alan Aragon, Layne Norton, Will Brink and Jamie Hale mean nothing. I already "backed up" my post last week. If you'd like, I'll give something else from valued people

" When eating any carbohydrate (simple or complex), it is beneficial to add
1-2 servings of good fats (almonds, peanut butter, avocado, flax oil,
reduced fat dressing) to reduce insulin release. Fats will bind with
carbohydrates in the stomach and release smaller amounts into the intestine. This smaller (bolus) amount of digested good carbs will indicate
a smaller need for insulin. Therefore, reducing chances of excess fat
storage."

webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/other/theleanmassdiet.pdf

Look at the meal plans here

bodybuilding.com/fun/docs/2007/bulkingforendomorphs.pdf

Here too. " When you combine fat and carbohydrates, the fat encapsulates the
carbohydrates and slows down digestion, minimizing the insulin spike.
When you combine protein and carbohydrates, it sends insulin skyrocketing and can lead to the last thing you want when dieting, fat storage!
We like to refeed with starchy, nutrient-dense carbohydrates and
good fats with no protein every third day depending on caloric intake."

bodybuilding.com/fun/docs/2007/gameover_vol2.pdf

And yet you have not "backed up" your claim. So until you can please do not say that combining fats and carbs is bad and that is fact.

I'm glad you like to quote bodybuilding.com and such, it is pretty funny considering you are trying to make an argument that essentially says eating pizza is more healthy than say eating a steak by itself or chicken breasts.
That is essentially what you are saying right: Ice cream > Fruit, Pizza > Eggs, Fried Chicken > Baked Chicken ?
There are alot of Fatasses out there that believe this, or are just to lazy to actually understand the mechanisms of our mitochondria that synthesize adipose tissue and lipid metabolism and true macronutrient seperation. Here is a little bit of fact:

Insulin promotes synthesis of fatty acids in the liver. Insulin stimulates synthesis of glycogen in the liver, but when glycogen accumulates to high levels (roughly 5% of liver mass), continued synthesis is suppressed.

When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose taken up is forced into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including adipocytes, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.

Insulin inhibits breakdown of fat in adipose tissue.

Insulin facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes. By these mechanisms, insulin is involved in further accumulation of triglyceride in fat cells.

From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. PERIOD. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat in adipose tissue.

SO basically, eating carbs = insulin production = fat storage AND the body goes into a stage where if there was no insulin in the bloodstream, it would be burning FAT for fuel, but insted it burns the carbs AND stores the extra fat floating around. So, if you INCREASE the Fat while increasing the Carbs, you are essentially telling your body to stop burning Fat, start storing fat from BOTH the carbs and extra fat you are eating.
SOO:
Please explain why Pizza > Chicken? Pizza > Fruit? :confused:
This has to be good....
 
Everyone has their own opinion, mine is based on fact. IF you have carbs and fat together, you are going to store more in your fat cells than if you ate only fat and protein together or carbs by themselsves. Basic biochemistry, not C R A P. This is fact, not my opinion. I'm happy you have an opinion, so do I and this person was just asking our opinions. Back it up with fact before flaming...

your opinion isn't based on fact, because what you are saying is not a fact.

the guy you are arguing with is right, you are wrong. He's also provided links to prove he is right, whereas the only proof you have is you simply saying that what you say is fact.

It's not really your fault though, because the whole "don't mix carbs and fat" thing was very popular a few years ago. It's only relatively recently it's been debunked.

I recommend you read some stuff by alan aragon, he's written extensively on the topic. Also the Performance Nutrition website is a good place to have a read up too, although you have to pay for full content.

One good thing about not mixing carbs and fat in your meals is that it makes it easier to count calories, if that's your thing. However they're going to combine in your digestive tract anyway, so trying to keep them separate is pointless.
 
and just by they way, the idea that only carbs make your body produce insulin is something that loads of people seem to think, and I just can't understand why. Everything you eat makes you secrete insulin. You'd die if you didn't.
 
your opinion isn't based on fact, because what you are saying is not a fact.

the guy you are arguing with is right, you are wrong. He's also provided links to prove he is right, whereas the only proof you have is you simply saying that what you say is fact.

It's not really your fault though, because the whole "don't mix carbs and fat" thing was very popular a few years ago. It's only relatively recently it's been debunked.

I recommend you read some stuff by alan aragon, he's written extensively on the topic. Also the Performance Nutrition website is a good place to have a read up too, although you have to pay for full content.

One good thing about not mixing carbs and fat in your meals is that it makes it easier to count calories, if that's your thing. However they're going to combine in your digestive tract anyway, so trying to keep them separate is pointless.

It's easy to copy and paste links to be lazy and quote some other guy and what they said, there are many many people that understand why macronutrient seperation works, but if you think Pizza, Ice Cream & Fried Chicken are all that healthy, which all have both carbs and fat, then by all means continue doing what you do... I'll copy and paste a couple links of my own since that seems to be what makes someone credible around here...

science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/human-biology/fat-cell2.htm

healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods35.php

OF COURSE there's going to be some food in your stomach left from the last meal by the way, but why mix the two together when you can limit the absortion of Fat Making molecules by seperating them? It's like saying, well you're going to get a little fat from rice so why not go all out and have a binge day, it makes no sense. OF course you are going to not be able to 100% seperate the two, but the SCIENTIFIC evidence suggests that my argument is the correct argument, not the "Pizza is better" argument that you have put forth.
 
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well firstly, I didn't say that I thought pizza, ice cream or fried chicken were healthy. That's called a "straw man" argument, where you refute a claim you say I made, which I didn't actually make, in an attempt to prove your own point.

And posting links only works if they reference peer reviewed scientific literature. I don't expect you to take my word for it, far from it, but I provided irrefutable scientific evidence in the article I linked to.

Did you actually read the link I posted? There's references to studies which you can read yourself for actual, empirical scientific evidence.

It's cool though I have a feeling that you are not going to change your mind, and that's fine. If not mixing carbs and fat is working for you, then more power too you. But I really do recommend reading the article I linked, and then checking out the references. You'll see that it's a good article, and you may learn something.
 
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