My 2nd cycle (cutting). HGH, Test Enan, and ? How much is sufficient?

[Maintenance Man]

Hey guys I'm 32 yrs old 5'10" and 220lbs. Used to lift a lot but recently lost weight running 18-22mi a week at 7min miles and train BJJ and other MMA, 5 days a week. Started at 240lbs and got down to 190 lbs. Took nothing but protein powder for a couple months but just ate super clean.

1st cycle was 12 yrs ago. Doing the math, yes I was n idiot. Wished I didn't do it that young. DID NOT need it. I took about 500mgs test enan for 12 wks, 300mgs deca for 10 wks, and 25mgs dbol for 4 wks. Had tremendous gains as expected n blew up like crazy. Felt amazing all the time and never any mood swings or agro moments.

Now I'd like to be as shredded as possible. It was hard training this last time so hard without a single supp. Im only 32 but ive put my body thru the shit. I swear i feel like im 42 from all the hard labor ive done lol. I want to see what happens when I add some gear and hit it super hard. I'd like to use HGH and test enan but not sure if I need anything else. Of course I want more but should I? How much gear is right? Other options include tren enan, masteron, anavar, Winstrol (winny), proviron, clen, and cytomel. I'd like to run the GH at 3-4IUs ED for 8-12 wks and the test enan biweekly at 500mgs for 12 wks. Would it be suitable to add the tren and masteron to the GH and test? Maybe Anavar too? Proviron looks to be a great addition. Cytomel seems almost a must in cutting cycles too.

Looking for some suggestions or advice?? Just not sure how much gear I should use. But I plan to do it right and make the most outta my money lol!!

 

[joe d]

it sounds to me like just the gh alone might give you all your looking for but either way 3-4iu for 12 weeks isnt going to cut it. id plan it out for 6 months mon-fri. take the weekends off.

as far as the cycle with your gh try just test at 400-600mg ew for 12 weeks. you will need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), nolva, clomid, and if it where me id get some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) also.

 

[superhuman_98]

I have heard different injection protocols for hgh. I ask this honestly but is there any scientific reasoning to go 5/2 ?

 

[Maintenance Man]

I was wondering the same thing. With only 3-4 hrs half life, I thot it was needed ED.
So GH n test would be enough but ramp up the time on GH? Not even tren?

 

[kaname]

I have heard different injection protocols for hgh. I ask this honestly but is there any scientific reasoning to go 5/2 ?

The overwhelming majority on that one are trying to save money and make it last longer.

Some might say it's to give the body time to work it's own magic but I've yet to see supporting evidence on this.

 

[kaname]

I was wondering the same thing. With only 3-4 hrs half life, I thot it was needed ED.
So GH n test would be enough but ramp up the time on GH? Not even tren?

Yes it's similiar to a test E cycle in that a certain amount of time is needed to realize it's full benefits / maximize etc. So where an 8 week test E cycle will stop short of maximizing those benefits, so would a 3 month cycle of GH. Granted in either case you will see some benefits but you need to run it longer to unlock the full range. 6 months is the generally agreed upon time frame for GH, as where test e would be the typical 3 months (12 weeks).

 

[joe d]

The overwhelming majority on that one are trying to save money and make it last longer.

Some might say it's to give the body time to work it's own magic but I've yet to see supporting evidence on this.

that is exactly the reason. same with the higher doses on training days only on a 3-4 day split. for weight loss and general well being the 5on 2 off seems to be about as sparing as you can go without your goals suffering.

i would also be skeptical of claims that the 2 days off being helpful in preventing perma shutdown or being any better for your health.

 

[Kazmir]

When speaking of GH injection protocol I feel that if you need take 2 days off every week because you can't afford to run it 7 days a week for 6 months then you shouldn't be running it at all. Just save for a couple more months and fill the gaps before starting your GH, hell its not a race and there is no finish line take your time and do it right.

 

[Maintenance Man]

Ok so the GH time should be at least 6 months. Not in contact with my source ATM as he is out of the country for 3 wks so I was also wondering how much it would be at like 4 IUs ED for 6 months? I'm guessing around $3k?? The gear an ancillaries are much less, that I know. Lol

 

[kaname]

Ok so the GH time should be at least 6 months. Not in contact with my source ATM as he is out of the country for 3 wks so I was also wondering how much it would be at like 4 IUs ED for 6 months? I'm guessing around $3k?? The gear an ancillaries are much less, that I know. Lol

Sorry but we aren't allowed to discuss prices on the open forum. You will need 672 ius if you're going to run it that long ED, or 480 iu if you're going to do your 5 on 2 off. In each case they typically come in groups of 100ius so you will round the number up.

Sorry but as I said we aren't allowed to discuss prices.

 

[Kazmir]

You would be looking at 8 kits needed (presuming they are 100iu kits) at 4iu for 6 months (approx 180days x 4 = 720iu). As far as price its all about where you get it and what brand, and as stated prices are not allowed in open forum.
What I will say is that if money is an issue you need to weigh your options gearing towards your goals. Is the cost worth the result for your goals, this is your own personal decision and no one can make it for you.

 

[kaname]

You would be looking at 8 kits needed (presuming they are 100iu kits) at 4iu for 6 months (approx 180days x 4 = 720iu). As far as price its all about where you get it and what brand, and as stated prices are not allowed in open forum.
What I will say is that if money is an issue you need to weigh your options gearing towards your goals. Is the cost worth the result for your goals, this is your own personal decision and no one can make it for you.

Math is off pimpin. Would be doing it by 7 days a week, so 4 x 7 = 28 days. 28 x 6 = 168 days. At least that's how I run things when I cycle anything. I know some would general think of a month as 30 days.

 

[kaname]

My silly wife just said a month is 30 days. Apparently I'm the only one that counts the days in a week x 4 weeks. Seeing as some months have 31 days then to be technical. ... meh

 

[Docd187]

My silly wife just said a month is 30 days. Apparently I'm the only one that counts the days in a week x 4 weeks. Seeing as some months have 31 days then to be technical. ... meh

Nope you're not the only one!

Month type Length in days
anomalistic 27.554549878 - 0.000000010390 × Y
sidereal 27.321661547 + 0.000000001857 × Y
tropical 27.321582241 + 0.000000001506 × Y
draconic 27.212220817 + 0.000000003833 × Y
synodic 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 × Y

Where Y is years since epoch (January 1, 2000 12:00TT) expressed in Julian years of 365.25 days

 

[kaname]

Nope you're not the only one!

Month type Length in days
anomalistic 27.554549878 - 0.000000010390 × Y
sidereal 27.321661547 + 0.000000001857 × Y
tropical 27.321582241 + 0.000000001506 × Y
draconic 27.212220817 + 0.000000003833 × Y
synodic 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 × Y

Where Y is years since epoch (January 1, 2000 12:00TT) expressed in Julian years of 365.25 days

My mind is blown...

 

[riprockwell]

Nope you're not the only one!

Month type Length in days
anomalistic 27.554549878 - 0.000000010390 × Y
sidereal 27.321661547 + 0.000000001857 × Y
tropical 27.321582241 + 0.000000001506 × Y
draconic 27.212220817 + 0.000000003833 × Y
synodic 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 × Y

Where Y is years since epoch (January 1, 2000 12:00TT) expressed in Julian years of 365.25 days

I just got mind fucked by Docd187. Lol. But back to the original post. I honestly think 5 days on, 2 days off is for price reasons but from what I have seen, not many guys notice a difference running it 7 days per week as compared to 5 days per week. I am currently doing 5 days on and 2 days off. I will say that you need to run at least 6 months worth. This is assuming you have legit GH. You have to remember there is a lot of bunk shit floating around out there. Make sure to blood test your GH before you start cycling it so you know it is legit. We cannot discuss prices but its way cheaper than what you think. Run your Test E for 12 weeks for sure. Make sure you get some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), arimidex, and proper post cycle therapy (pct) stuff. Tren is not something you want to throw in at the moment. Test and GH should be plenty to get you what you are looking for.

 

[Maintenance Man]

ok guys sorry about the money talk, I should know better lol.
Id like to do this stuff right and only the quality GH so I think I will wait n save for the 6 mon min. Maybe go longer to get more benfits? Either way it will be my 3rd or 4th cycle instead.

 

[Maintenance Man]

Sorry guys I should know better about the $ talk
Looks like ill be waiting to do this GH the right way. Maybe plan it for a yr with only pharm grade stuff. Id like the money to pay off lol. Ill be going with another stack off AAS first while I save for that.

 

[JMEALS]

The HGH should cost you half of what you thought it would cost for 6 months..theres your answer without talking prices....

 

[Maintenance Man]

The HGH should cost you half of what you thought it would cost for 6 months..theres your answer without talking prices....

Oh damn thanks JMEALS. That means my source wants waaay too much then lol.