My Pinnacle experience

shenky

shenky

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Preface: Yes, I know this will be an unpopular thread on this forum. Many members have had great experiences with Pinn's gear, and, in addition, Pinn is a major sponsor on this board. Never the less, I feel that this forum should remain unbiased and impartial. I have nothing to gain or lose from praising Pinnacle, or otherwise.

This is just my personal experience with their gear; I'm not discounting anyone else's experiences, nor am I bashing Pinnacle. i'm sure they have or had good gear. I personally, however, would not recommend their NPP.

After a disappointing venture with Geneza's test cyp, I decided to try Pinnacle. Since joining, I've been very active on this forum, and Pinnacle's name is never shed in a negative light, so I gave it a go. After 2.5 weeks on their test prop, and really not experiencing any effects characteristic of prop dosed @ 150mg EOD, I decided to add in the NPP, also dosed at 150mg EOD. After 14 days, I've experienced no effects characteristic of nandralone, and I mean nothing. I'm gaining weight, but only the amount I was gaining natty on my bulk (4,000 cals/day...about 1/2 pound a week). My strength has not increased, nor have my pumps, vascularity, lubrication of joints, no impressive recovery.

I waited 14 days to make the thread because it's about 3 half lives which is when I should be in full swing.

Personally I will not be returning to Pinnacle, and I don't recommend any Pinn customers order their NPP. If something changes in my cycle, and something changes, I'll make another thread and amend this one.

Let the flaming begin...
 
No increase in libido? I would think with prop you would have an increase in sex drive after 3 weeks. All i know is GP and Pinnacle have been GREAT to me! :)
 
Austinite said:
I don't get anything from prop or NPP for 4 to 6 weeks. Not everyone reacts the same and not everyone see's results around the same time. 8 weeks to see anything from long esters for me.

You seem very impatient... http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...88-11th-day-prop-150mg-eod-not-impressed.html

Also, you're not experienced, so maybe something is missing from the equation.
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Right, but I've been on that same prop since I made that thread, and I still don't feel/see anything. I expected to, at the very least, see an increase in strength and endurance. You said it yourself - test is king. It's not all about the physical results for me.

I'm not experienced with steroids, but I'm experienced with training and diet. I've bulked and cut several times natty with expected results. The equation is diet + training + gear, and I feel that I have training and diet pretty well. Can it improve? Of course, but regardless, after 3 half lives of NPP and nearly a month on their prop, I should have seen an increase in strength, libido and decrease in recovery time...

I'll finish the cycle, and I'll continue to update.

Out of curiosity, you said you don't see anything for 4-6 weeks on NPP, but surely you feel a difference well before then...
 
I ran pinn NPP about 6 months ago at 420mg/week (120 EOD). I think my joints were singing 'I'm felling 22' in about a week or less. Your batch must be different. I've got some more coming from the guess the number contest, but I won't be into if for at least a month. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
 
shenky said:
Right, but I've been on that same prop since I made that thread, and I still don't feel/see anything. I expected to, at the very least, see an increase in strength and endurance. You said it yourself - test is king. It's not all about the physical results for me.

I'm not experienced with steroids, but I'm experienced with training and diet. I've bulked and cut several times natty with expected results. The equation is diet + training + gear, and I feel that I have training and diet pretty well. Can it improve? Of course, but regardless, after 3 half lives of NPP and nearly a month on their prop, I should have seen an increase in strength, libido and decrease in recovery time...

I'll finish the cycle, and I'll continue to update.

Out of curiosity, you said you don't see anything for 4-6 weeks on NPP, but surely you feel a difference well before then...
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You don't "feel" it working? How do you know what you should feel on legit npp if you have never used it before. It's been 2 weeks. Apparently you were expecting aas to be the wholly grail. Pinnacle NPP is dosed properly, as is all of their products. There have been 100's of blood tests to prove this.
 
shenky said:
Right, but I've been on that same prop since I made that thread, and I still don't feel/see anything. I expected to, at the very least, see an increase in strength and endurance. You said it yourself - test is king. It's not all about the physical results for me.

I'm not experienced with steroids, but I'm experienced with training and diet. I've bulked and cut several times natty with expected results. The equation is diet + training + gear, and I feel that I have training and diet pretty well. Can it improve? Of course, but regardless, after 3 half lives of NPP and nearly a month on their prop, I should have seen an increase in strength, libido and decrease in recovery time...

I'll finish the cycle, and I'll continue to update.

Out of curiosity, you said you don't see anything for 4-6 weeks on NPP, but surely you feel a difference well before then...
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I understand. And I don't use UGL gear anymore so I have nothing to gain either by supporting Pinnacle or anyone else for that matter. So whatever I tell is merely to help you understand where my ideology comes from.

I did say Testosterone is king. I never said Testosterone is magic, however. This is the biggest problem we face on forums. Most inexperienced users have an immense expectation and are counting the minutes and seconds, waiting for that "Kick in" moment. It doesn't really work like that. Similar to side effects, which you and I both know that not everyone experiences the same side effects, benefits are no different. Just because John Doe has a libido and strength boost in 2 weeks, does not mean you and I will.

Furthermore; I don't know what your diet looks like, and what your TDEE is. I'm entirely surprised that you mention your intake, but not your TDEE. As you stated you're experienced with diet, you can understand that stating your intake is absolutely fruitless. That is not a piece of information that would indicate anything whatsoever on its own.

For nearly 2 years, I discounted anyone and everyone who told me I needed my diet evaluated. I finally gave in, only to realize I didn't know anything. Nothing at all. In fact, my diet was counter productive to strength gains, due to causing fatigue. Muscle cell endurance will increase with steroids, but you need to give it time, and if your body fat is high, that will also hinder progress. So with this statement, I would have your diet evaluated professionally.

In response to your last sentence, as I said, I get absolutely nothing. It's as if I'm injecting water into my system. Libido boosts are rare for me in general doses. There are some folks that inject over 2 grams of testosterone with zero impact on libido. In fact, some lose libido. Wanna know frustration? Imagine injecting 750 mg of prescription testosterone cypionate for 8 weeks and not seeing a single boost in anything. I admit my case is rare, but certainly shows a massive range in reactions between folks.

My point in its entirety is, we both know that pinnacle has been in business for a while now, so it would only be fair to have a few cycles under your belt, or at least something to compare to before reviewing the product. I don't even recommend positive reviews until you have experience and comparisons. So it's not really about the negative review.

Either way, best of luck to you.
 
I've ran pinnacle before and had great results. If I ever have issues or questions jb answers and takes good care of me
 
PinnHead said:
You don't "feel" it working? How do you know what you should feel on legit npp if you have never used it before. It's been 2 weeks. Apparently you were expecting aas to be the wholly grail. Pinnacle NPP is dosed properly, as is all of their products. There have been 100's of blood tests to prove this.
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Blood tests are not indicative of NPP's dosing. They can certainly indicate a progestin is present, however. You may have intended to reference testosterone.
 
I will continue running these compounds and in two weeks I will update this thread to tell you where I'm at. By that time, it will have been 4 weeks on NPP. I think that's a fair spot in my cycle to update this thread. I apologize if the thread is premature. I will update soon.
 
Sorry bud. Maybe bad batch or something. Been in their sus and deca and boy can I feel the difference. I'm not to experience with gear but I know it's working. Hope things get better. Goodluck
 
shenky said:
I will continue running these compounds and in two weeks I will update this thread to tell you where I'm at. By that time, it will have been 4 weeks on NPP. I think that's a fair spot in my cycle to update this thread. I apologize if the thread is premature. I will update soon.
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Please update as you feel necessary. My problem is that your thread is misleading, as Pinnacle did not disappoint you. Your expectations are what disappointed you because they were unrealistic. I use NPP, and as a matter of fact I just ordered one today. The only thing I notice from it is slight water retention and "my bones" don't ache so much when I'm using it. Try and think of it like this. Gear makes everything work better. If you eat the right food and enough of it you will grow and get stronger. If you add gear to that equation, you will grow a bit faster and get a little bit stronger.
 
I used Pinnacle NPP for the last 2 months so I can honestly say their is a very good chance that I used the same batch as the OP did. I just discontinued it about a week ago. And around the 3rd week of being on it for me it became noticeable that my joints were more lubricated and my muscles were more full and I had strength and weight gains.

Since I stopped the NPP I can notice a difference. My muscles are not as full. My endurance and strength are a little lower. And my physique to put it simply looks a little less muscular. And I know you used their test P. So this does not really answer the question on test P. But I used their Test E and I honestly really couldn't ask for more from a testosterone product.

Even with great products though if I didn't eat enough I would loose a good amount of weight in a day or 2. Lol I really pushed the limits to see if I could slack on eating when I didn't feel like it. And I learned that gear is not magic and as many others have said you still have to have a great diet. I know their gear works because im 20 pounds heavier than I was when I started and I have the same body fat percentage still. And I was also very close to my genetic limit to so it really was the gear adding that extra muscle. I was saying all this before I was a moderator to.
 
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If possible, will you please supply blood work when you update us in two weeks? At that time you'll have been on the test p for six weeks, right?
 
Man oh man....give the npp more time. You'll grow like a weed and feel like a tube of petroleum jelly.4th cycle with pinns npp and love the shit
 
This is pretty common problem with every UG lab, because every batch is different, one can be dosed right second one underdosed, others can hurt after pin. etc. Or you just expected way too much :)
 
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