Need help with low T and trying to get wife preggy soon

[lowt81]

Hi,

I just joined hoping someone has extensive knowledge about this area as I have no idea what to do about my situation. My situation is this:

In 2012 my test level was 374ng/dL but my doctor wouldn't do anything as it was still within medical limits. I live in a very conservative country regarding hormonal issues so not much help here.
My wife and I tried for child since 2013 and it took 2 years before she got pregnant. My semen count was low, but OK for making babies.
I put on weight during this period and therefor began exercising and dieting since January 2016. Pretty much been in a caloric deficit since then with short off periods. Went from 194lbs to 165lbs today. 3 weeks left to reach my goal.
My personal trainer recommended a winstrol 50mg ED only cycle + clenbuterol (8 weeks) which ended over 3 weeks ago.
Went to my doc just to check out my numbers and my test levels where at 170ng/dL which made her put me in the hypogonadism category :-( She just took a second blood sample (waiting for results) and further evaluation.
My personal trainer and prof. bodybuilder said winstrol should not suppress me this much and that I probably had low test to begin with. He recommended that I got help from my doc. Also asked him several times about PCT before starting but he didn't recommend it for winstrol.
Now my wife and I had planned to try for a second child soon so I'm really worried now.

TRT is pretty widespread in the US, so I'm hoping for some advice on what to do if the specialist fails as I don't think they are of much help here.

Oh, and I'm 35.

Thanks folks...

 

[Megatron28]

Your personal trainer is an idiot. You need to get as far away from him as possible. Do not listen to his advice any more.

 

[lowt81]

Your personal trainer is an idiot. You need to get as far away from him as possible. Do not listen to his advice any more.

Will do. Is there anything I can now or is it too late for PCT?

 

[gruntwerk]

Listen to megatron... you were giving some terrible advice.

You never run an oral with out test as a base, any exogenous androgen will suppress your HPTA - this includes orals. You need to run test with them as they shut your test down.

This also means you need PCT anytime you come off exogenous androgen's, you should surely run a PCT now. Maybe your test was low in the 300's to start but the winny is what shut you down to 170's.

When you were in the 300's back in 2012 had you ran anything prior to that? Any cycles or prohormones?

 

[lowt81]

Listen to megatron... you were giving some terrible advice.

You never run an oral with out test as a base, any exogenous androgen will suppress your HPTA - this includes orals. You need to run test with them as they shut your test down.

This also means you need PCT anytime you come off exogenous androgen's, you should surely run a PCT now. Maybe your test was low in the 300's to start but the winny is what shut you down to 170's.

When you were in the 300's back in 2012 had you ran anything prior to that? Any cycles or prohormones?

Yes I did a 12 week primo or deca cycle in 2005. Long time ago so can't remember.

 

[lowt81]

Listen to megatron... you were giving some terrible advice.

You never run an oral with out test as a base, any exogenous androgen will suppress your HPTA - this includes orals. You need to run test with them as they shut your test down.

This also means you need PCT anytime you come off exogenous androgen's, you should surely run a PCT now. Maybe your test was low in the 300's to start but the winny is what shut you down to 170's.

When you were in the 300's back in 2012 had you ran anything prior to that? Any cycles or prohormones?

... and have no idea what to take for PCT in my situation. It's been 3-4 weeks.

 

[Megatron28]

Without your blood work, this is all a guess in the dark. But I would probably give PCT (aka HPTA Restart) a try. I would probably run hCG for about 4-6 weeks and test blood work to see where your TT is at. If TT is satisfactory, I would probably switch to Nolva + Clomid for about 5 weeks. Then check blood work again about 6 weeks after ending the clomid+nolva. If that fails then it would be time to go on testosterone injections for the rest of your life.

 

[gruntwerk]

Yes I did a 12 week primo or deca cycle in 2005. Long time ago so can't remember.

Should of ran test with that too, test as a base with any cycle for a male. PCT for any cycle as well.

Did you run PCT after this?

I would follow megas directions right above this post.

 

[3J]

lol.. winny isn't suppressive.. lmao
it shuts you down brudda..

ok.. here is the restart protocol i would advise personally

1000iu hcg 3 times a week for 2 months.. once thats over 50mg clomid m-w-f for another month..


your sperm count will be in the gutter.. remember that anything you do that affects sperm count takes 3 months to show..

so if you shut down your production of sperm, expect it to show for at least 3 months..

when you run this pct..dont expect your sperm count to go up within the 3 months..itll be months 3-4 that you will see an increase...

im going through this with trt and fertility right now actually... so i can relate

 

[lowt81]

lol.. winny isn't suppressive.. lmao
it shuts you down brudda..

ok.. here is the restart protocol i would advise personally

1000iu hcg 3 times a week for 2 months.. once thats over 50mg clomid m-w-f for another month..


your sperm count will be in the gutter.. remember that anything you do that affects sperm count takes 3 months to show..

so if you shut down your production of sperm, expect it to show for at least 3 months..

when you run this pct..dont expect your sperm count to go up within the 3 months..itll be months 3-4 that you will see an increase...

im going through this with trt and fertility right now actually... so i can relate

Thank everybody.

My doctor is referring me to a specialist so will wait it out now. Otherwise trying the above mentioned. This sucks big time. I though levels would always return to normal over time regardless. Could be genetic though.

 

[Jimstigator]

your sperm count will be in the gutter.. remember that anything you do that affects sperm count takes 3 months to show..

so if you shut down your production of sperm, expect it to show for at least 3 months..

when you run this pct..dont expect your sperm count to go up within the 3 months..itll be months 3-4 that you will see an increase...

im going through this with trt and fertility right now actually... so i can relate

Yep. 3 months downstream for sure. I was showing as 0 fertility on tests. Started low dose daily HCG. Tested sperm monthly post starting HCG and after 3 months its almost instantly sky rocketed.

 

[lowt81]

Yep. 3 months downstream for sure. I was showing as 0 fertility on tests. Started low dose daily HCG. Tested sperm monthly post starting HCG and after 3 months its almost instantly sky rocketed.

That's good news. I hope doctors know about this stuff here. I'm gonna mention HCG to them.

 

[lowt81]

Hi again experts,

I'm reading a lot these days.

If I would try to correct things myself, would the below cycle be OK?

Test P 200mg/week for 12 weeks
PCT:
HCG 2500 IU/EOD x 16days
clomiphene citrate 50 mg take orally twice a day x 30days
tamoxifen 20 mg by mouth once a day x 45days

I don't know if the Test is necessary to do a HPTA restart?
I wanna achieve normal test levels (>500ng/dL) and sperm count able to make kids.

Any advice on protocol would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Jimstigator]

That's good news. I hope doctors know about this stuff here. I'm gonna mention HCG to them.

I had full fertility pre-TRT, started TRT and lost all fertility after about 4-6 months. Started HCG at 100iu daily, regained full testicle size and fertility again after a few months. Been about a year since then and my wife is 4 months pregnant

 

[3J]

Hi again experts,

I'm reading a lot these days.

If I would try to correct things myself, would the below cycle be OK?

Test E 200mg/week for 12 weeks
PCT:
HCG 2500 IU/EOD x 16days
clomiphene citrate 50 mg take orally twice a day x 30days
tamoxifen 20 mg by mouth once a day x 45days

I don't know if the Test is necessary to do a HPTA restart?
I wanna achieve normal test levels (>500ng/dL) and sperm count able to make kids.

Any advice on protocol would be greatly appreciated.

im lost.. are you trying to run a cycle or regain fertility?

 

[lowt81]

im lost.. are you trying to run a cycle or regain fertility?

Regain normal test levels and fertility. So the 12 weeks trt with test is not necessary. Got you.

 

[Jimstigator]

Hi again experts,


If I would try to correct things myself, would the below cycle be OK?

I don't know if the Test is necessary to do a HPTA restart?

Any advice on protocol would be greatly appreciated.

I'm also confused. Is this "I want to build some quick muscle via TRT for 12 weeks and maybe have kids after" or "I want to feel normal and have the best shot possible at kids". You need to pick and do one of two things...

1) Restart protocol - Some combination of HCG/Clomid/Tamoxifen, for a set period of time. Might restore normal testosterone and fertility levels without needing to stay on forever. I was able to restore for a while with just a month of Tamoxifen.

2) TRT - Some combination of testosterone and HCG. Will restore testosterone levels, and might maintain or improve fertility. Generally considered a life long commitment.

Test injections plays no role in option one. It would shut down your production further than you already are. Choosing option two doesn't mean you can't have kids... I'm over 2 years in and have a preg wife, but its always a smart idea to try a restart protocol first and maybe be the lucky guy who doesn't need TRT for life.

-Jim

 

[lowt81]

I'm also confused. Is this "I want to build some quick muscle via TRT for 12 weeks and maybe have kids after" or "I want to feel normal and maybe have kids as well". You need to pick and do one of two things...

1) Restart protocol - Some combination of HCG/Clomid/Tamoxifen, for a set period of time. Might restore normal testosterone and fertility levels without needing to stay on forever.

2) TRT - Some combination of testosterone and HCG. Will restore testosterone levels, and likely maintain or improve fertility. Life long commitment.

Test injections plays no role in option one. It would shut down your production further than you already are.

-Jim

Hi Jim

Sorry, I was unclear about it. I'm not interested in gaining muscle.

I want to try a HPTA restart with the following protocol:
Days 1-16 HCG 2500Iu EOD
Days 1-30 Clomid 100mg ED
Days 1-45 nolva 20mg ED

I was asking if that is the right protocol?

The test 12 weeks was just a question if it was necessary. I see now that is is not.

 

[Jimstigator]

Double post.

 

[IMT staff]

HCG will most likely work right away. We just had a guy call us and praise us for telling him he could still have kids while on TRT. He came to us 4 years ago after he was laughed out of his doctors office.

He is a war vet and has some medical issues that TRT REALLY help, you will be happy to know 4 years and 3 kids later he is still on TRT with us!!!!