Need some ideas on which oral to stack with my upcoming Test/Tren cycle (pics inside)

[numba1scrapper]

Still on post cycle therapy (pct) from the last cycle, but I thought id order my next cycle early and possibly get some suggestions along the way. Im around 195 right now at 5"7 and prolly around 10-11% bf... Hoping to naturally get to 200 and then jump to 220-225 during the next cycle.. The pics below are pretty recent, what oral do you guys think I should run for the kick start? Tired of dbol and I wanna try anadrol but im not feeling the acne nor the insane bloat as next cycle will fall in the warmer months. The Test will be Enanthate as well the tren as I've heard the longer ester tren carries less sides.

 

[Wheat]

If you haven't tried Tbol Id give that a shot. Its an excellent compound for slow steady gains. The strength gains are pretty good in my experience and muscles get pretty hard. Its always been called the cross between Var and Dbol. Its all Ive ever used. You won't get any water weight off it or acne either. Nice dry gains.

 

[glubgawd]

Tired of dbol

omg....

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

How about some letro and get the water off. Your bloated big time.

 

[gator_mclusky]

Some Anavar for solid gains that you will keep as well with no water.......sure they wont blow ya off the charts with gains like Dbol or A Bombs but that or oral Winstrol and you can run them through a few wks of your cycle as they are the lightest of the AA17's as Im sure you know.


Just something to think about.

gator

 

[numba1scrapper]

If you haven't tried Tbol Id give that a shot. Its an excellent compound for slow steady gains. The strength gains are pretty good in my experience and muscles get pretty hard. Its always been called the cross between Var and Dbol. Its all Ive ever used. You won't get any water weight off it or acne either. Nice dry gains.

Nope, never tried Tbol, is it like most orals in that I cant run it for more than 6 weeks? You said slow, but steady gains, 6 weeks would be enough for some legit gains? What do you dose your Tbol at?

omg....

Dude, All I've ran is Dbol and in doses as high as 60mg, Im ready to try something else.

How about some letro and get the water off. Your bloated big time.

I ran letro my entire last cycle and 2.5mg at that, im almost 2 weeks into my post cycle therapy (pct) and lost ALOT of water weight, I think im doing alright.. From now on, Letro is all I will be running as I dont think weaker anti estrogens such as aromasin suffice for me.

 

[numba1scrapper]

Some Anavar for solid gains that you will keep as well with no water.......sure they wont blow ya off the charts with gains like Dbol or A Bombs but that or oral Winstrol and you can run them through a few wks of your cycle as they are the lightest of the AA17's as Im sure you know.


Just something to think about.

gator

Was thinking about Anavar but I think I want something with bigger gains if possible, def not out of the question though.. As for the Winstrol (winny), MANY MANY people have told me that its really WAAYYY too hyped up not worth even messing with as they see minimal gains for from injectable and oral.

 

[numba1scrapper]

I guess what im looking for this cycle is to GAIN clean size without the water weight like in my previous Dbol/Test/Deca cycle, im NOT trying to cut, just trying to maintain the bf that I already have while gaining weight and size.

 

[RJ]

numba, why you gotta add something. This is your first time on Tren right? Dude, that shit is the bomb.

You don't need all that garbage like Var and Winstrol (winny) and Tbol. Weak drugs or worthless drugs when compared to Tren.

The test/tren combo is the best out there besides Test/Deca IMO. Bloating comes mainly from poor diet and lack of hydration. Don't get on the "i gotta take Letro cause I'm bloated" train. You are alot less watery than you were, DPR prolly just didn't see your prior pics.

Either way, diet and H2O is mainly how you combat bloating, not more drugs. If you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for gyno and shit, thats cool. You're doing fine, i wouldn't add a thing.

 

[numba1scrapper]

numba, why you gotta add something. This is your first time on Tren right? Dude, that shit is the bomb.

You don't need all that garbage like Var and Winstrol (winny) and Tbol. Weak drugs or worthless drugs when compared to Tren.

The test/tren combo is the best out there besides Test/Deca IMO. Bloating comes mainly from poor diet and lack of hydration. Don't get on the "i gotta take Letro cause I'm bloated" train. You are alot less watery than you were, DPR prolly just didn't see your prior pics.

Either way, diet and H2O is mainly how you combat bloating, not more drugs. If you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for gyno and shit, thats cool. You're doing fine, i wouldn't add a thing.

Yea, this is my first time with Tren. I guess your right, its just that I only cycle twice a year so I try to get the most out of EVERY cycle which means a kick start while the longer estered stuff kicks in... I only take Letro becuase I got still got gyno on Aromasin.

 

[MJP]

Go with winni!!
A var isn't strong enough, it works but I like the winni better,

 

[RJ]

Yea, this is my first time with Tren. I guess your right, its just that I only cycle twice a year so I try to get the most out of EVERY cycle which means a kick start while the longer estered stuff kicks in... I only take Letro becuase I got still got gyno on Aromasin.

well, if you want a kickstart, here's a fun way to do it.

Week 1-3 Test Prop 100mg MWF, Tren Ace 50mg MWF
Week 1-12 Test Enan 500mg/w
Week 1-10 Tren Enan 300mg/w
Week 12-14 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 10-12 Tren Ace 50mg EOD

I never liked orals in my cycles so if i was to ever do a kicker, i used injectables, and i liked doing a walk off as well. I don't think tapering is worth anything like in the old school, but there is value in kickstarting and walking off IMO.

This is a badass way to do it. Some will say do only Ace the first go around, but you'll be fine. And if it is too much for you, I'm sure you can handle the long ester haning around for 2 weeks while you clear.

Believe me, with Tren added, especially since this is your first time, you won't need anything else.

 

[gorillaglue]

well, if you want a kickstart, here's a fun way to do it.

Week 1-3 Test Prop 100mg MWF, Tren Ace 50mg MWF
Week 1-12 Test Enan 500mg/w
Week 1-10 Tren Enan 300mg/w
Week 12-14 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 10-12 Tren Ace 50mg EOD

I never liked orals in my cycles so if i was to ever do a kicker, i used injectables, and i liked doing a walk off as well. I don't think tapering is worth anything like in the old school, but there is value in kickstarting and walking off IMO.

This is a badass way to do it. Some will say do only Ace the first go around, but you'll be fine. And if it is too much for you, I'm sure you can handle the long ester haning around for 2 weeks while you clear.

Believe me, with Tren added, especially since this is your first time, you won't need anything else.

That suddenly looks like my next cycle setup.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

he need proviron at least, i agree with RJ, no other compounds in need and DRP is right to. you're not lean enough as you're going in this cycle is your diet OK?

proviron 37,5 mg ED along the cycle.

one thing i learn, tbol and tren= sore nips!!!

 

[RJ]

he need proviron at least, i agree with RJ, no other compounds in need and DRP is right to. you're not lean enough as you're going in this cycle is your diet OK?

proviron 37,5 mg ED along the cycle.

one thing i learn, tbol and tren= sore nips!!!

not lean enough? you mean too watery? It looks fine to me. Its not like the dude is fat.

Maybe its the language barrier Kane. Not sure i agree with that.

 

[numba1scrapper]

well, if you want a kickstart, here's a fun way to do it.

Week 1-3 Test Prop 100mg MWF, Tren Ace 50mg MWF
Week 1-12 Test Enan 500mg/w
Week 1-10 Tren Enan 300mg/w
Week 12-14 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 10-12 Tren Ace 50mg EOD

I never liked orals in my cycles so if i was to ever do a kicker, i used injectables, and i liked doing a walk off as well. I don't think tapering is worth anything like in the old school, but there is value in kickstarting and walking off IMO.

This is a badass way to do it. Some will say do only Ace the first go around, but you'll be fine. And if it is too much for you, I'm sure you can handle the long ester haning around for 2 weeks while you clear.

Believe me, with Tren added, especially since this is your first time, you won't need anything else.

Good idea, but I might actually swap the prop with suspension.. What is a good dose to start at since shit is pure test? Can you do another lay out? lol.. And no, I dont mind pinning once to twice a day for a few weeks.

 

[MGunz]

Oralwise I'v used Dbol, Var only, Tbol only, and I tried Var and Tbol together at 40mg each. The gains were so fast, to me the combo felt about 2x as strong as 40mg of Dbol and no bloat at all. Also made my lifts go up like crazy real fast. All orals I'v used were GP

 

[RJ]

Good idea, but I might actually swap the prop with suspension.. What is a good dose to start at since shit is pure test? Can you do another lay out? lol.. And no, I dont mind pinning once to twice a day for a few weeks.

just sub the prop for susp. You can pin once a day, but honestly Suspension is best served every 12 hours. 50mg a pop is plenty. That 100mg a day will knock your socks off.

 

[ECKSRATED]

I don't understand why people can't give someone else a compliment? The guys got a nice build and ain't fat at all. Does it really kill you guys to tell someone they did a good job or they look good? Its probably cus half the guys are jealous and can't let go of there own ego for one second. Out of all the posts, RJ is the only one who said something good. I dunno maybe its just because I'm always seeing these little toolbags on here criticizing everyone for the littles things. Maybe I'm a little sensative today lol

Good job on your cycle numba. Good gains. Keep it up and stay focused while ur recovering.

 

[RJ]

I don't understand why people can't give someone else a compliment? The guys got a nice build and ain't fat at all. Does it really kill you guys to tell someone they did a good job or they look good? Its probably cus half the guys are jealous and can't let go of there own ego for one second. Out of all the posts, RJ is the only one who said something good. I dunno maybe its just because I'm always seeing these little toolbags on here criticizing everyone for the littles things. Maybe I'm a little sensative today lol

Good job on your cycle numba. Good gains. Keep it up and stay focused while ur recovering.

yeah, i didnt really understand those posts. Honestly, i try not to be dead honest about pics because usually people just giv ethe standard "awesome work dude" and that does nothing.

But i can spot progress and will give props to anyone who achieves it.