Nolva failed me... Letro?

[R2TT1]

Nolva didn't ward off my developing gyno completely. Actually it really didnt seem to do much for me at all. I am now stuck with a little less than quarter sized lumps under each nip. I have been searching up on letrozole and I read a few threads saying that it may have an effect of reducing existing gyno, but i couldnt find a thread with really concise info on dosing schedules and amounts to dose. I did a cycle of m1t and started getting signs of gyno and stopped the cycle immediately. I had no nolva on hand (because of the BS info that m1t doesnt aromatize) and decided to over nite it a few days after i ended my cycle, but i am afraid it was too late!

So do you guys think I should give some letro a go? And if so what is the usual dose for combatting existing gyno?

 

[iron]

its worth a shot man. nobody deserves gyno and those who have it who probably do close to anything to lose it!

 

[iron]

btw, where did you get your nolva? and was it tabs or liquid?

 

[ty454]

Tell me about it. M1T sure as hell aromatized and gave me gyno, despite what everyone said. I ended up the same as you - slightly smaller than quarter-sized lump under the left nip. A few weeks of letro stopped it from getting worse and reduced it quite a bit.

I took 1MG eod which is a lot by some people's standards but that's what it took to stop my gyno. I did this for about 3 weeks and now I don't need it any more.

However, at a dose like that, after about two weeks I couldn't get it up for nothin'. Now it's all back to normal but it was frustrating for a while. I'll take a couple weeks of sexual frustration vs. tits any day though. I got mine from the Lion and have no complaints.

 

[BigRonWannabee]

btw, where did you get your nolva? and was it tabs or liquid?

bump

 

[ld50]

ditto for letro. at least 1mg/d. give it a run by all means. it helped me as well.

 

[R2TT1]

btw, where did you get your nolva? and was it tabs or liquid?

Got it from PnP, liquid form.

They don't seem like the type to give fake stuff...


Looks like I will give the letro a try at 1mg eod

 

[R2TT1]

ditto for letro. at least 1mg/d. give it a run by all means. it helped me as well.

1mg ed, or 1mg eod?

 

[ty454]

1mg ed, or 1mg eod?

I'd start with 1mg eod and see if it works. You should notice a diference within a day or so. If it doesn't stop then up it to 1mg ed. Just remember that it'll shut your estrogen down big time.

 

[E-Swift25]

If you guys were getting gyno, why didn't you stop your cycle earlier?Its not like you get hard lumps overnight. I don't want to be a dick, but you guys should be paying more attention to your body.

 

[pudge]

when i finished my last bulk cycle i got gyno from nite to day like nothing before...it just appeared and i freaked out..went to my "guy's" house and he put me on femara (letro) 2.5 mgs every morning for a week...we hit the gyno hard and fast like that and it disappeared completely within 5 days...going 1mg a day is ok, but i dont play around when it comes to having tits...i hit nice and hard with a full 2.5mg tab if i feel i need to...throughout the cycle its ok at 1.25mg eod or e3d...but when it comes to gyno symptoms or already existing gyno, hit it hard with a full tab...dont play around with small doses..cause it could be u end up with small tits...just my 2cc's

pudge

 

[R2TT1]

If you guys were getting gyno, why didn't you stop your cycle earlier?Its not like you get hard lumps overnight. I don't want to be a dick, but you guys should be paying more attention to your body.

I stopped my cycle the day that I noticed the initial puffiness. The thing is that I didnt have nolva on hand because I was under the impression that m1t didnt aromatize which was a big mistake. So I had to wait a while for it to arrive, and by then I had some small lumps forming.

 

[R2TT1]

I'd start with 1mg eod and see if it works. You should notice a diference within a day or so. If it doesn't stop then up it to 1mg ed. Just remember that it'll shut your estrogen down big time.

What kind of problems can low estrogen cause?

 

[ty454]

If you guys were getting gyno, why didn't you stop your cycle earlier?Its not like you get hard lumps overnight. I don't want to be a dick, but you guys should be paying more attention to your body.

I had Novaldex on hand but it didn't do shit for the gyno. By the time I got the letro it had progressed that far.

 

[ty454]

What kind of problems can low estrogen cause?

Sex drive goes waaaaaay down. Makes it damn near impossible to seal the deal.

 

[R2TT1]

Sex drive goes waaaaaay down. Makes it damn near impossible to seal the deal.

Hey as long as its temporary, its worth it! I just hope my gyno hasnt been around too long for letro to make a difference... I wasted time going thru a whole bottle of nolvadex that didnt do much at all.

How long did you wait from the time that you first noticed gyno to the time that you started letro?

 

[ty454]

Hey as long as its temporary, its worth it! I just hope my gyno hasnt been around too long for letro to make a difference... I wasted time going thru a whole bottle of nolvadex that didnt do much at all.

How long did you wait from the time that you first noticed gyno to the time that you started letro?

It was almost a month before I abandoned the Novaldex and went with the letro. Up until that point the lump was sore every day. I took 1mg of letro and within a day the soreness was completely gone. Over a couple weeks the lump got smaller and the puffyness started to fade. It's not completely gone but I can now go shirtless and nobody would notice any gyno which is all that matters to me. I may try a couple weeks at like 2mg/day just to see if I can reduce it further. Maybe when I take a trip out of town and am away from the woman so she won't get mad.

 

[R2TT1]

Thanks for the info, looks like I should still have a chance. I am thinking about maybe going 2mg/day also just to make sure I knock it out... but I really don't know how my body reacts to letro because I have never used it before. So I guess i should just go with the 1mg/eod and see what happens.

Anyway, I will post my results here.

 

[ld50]

If you guys were getting gyno, why didn't you stop your cycle earlier?Its not like you get hard lumps overnight. I don't want to be a dick, but you guys should be paying more attention to your body.

First of all, I am kinda pissed by your comment, but I'm not going to jump all over you, just make a few points.

1) Stopping a cyle at the first signs of gyno is the worst thing you can do. Gyno is not just estrogen dependent, it occurs when you have a higher ratio of estrogen to androgens. This is why many poor souls develop gyno post cycle, when testosterone and DHT is very low, and estrogen levels are higher. They wonder,"I didn't have any problems during my cycle, but I am getting gyno now." Well, they had elevated estrogen, but it was balanced by DHT and test. This is also an issue for people not on cycle, but use finasteride to lower DHT levels so they can keep their hair. gyno develops in most of these men as well over time. They have normal estrogen levels, but drive down DHT so far that it allows the estrogen to take over.

2) I have always used an aromitase inhibitor when using aromitizing hormones. Never had any issues. I tried one cylce without them, running 20mg of Nolva as a precaution, and started getting signs of gyno. I upped the nolva to 40, then 80 mg, with no results. I immediately switched to arimidex, but it was too late. Lumps had set in. It doesn't take more than a few weeks. Nolva fucked me over.

Just stopping would have only exacerbated the problem. I started Proviron at 100mg/d, and switched to letrozole 2.25mg/day, and the gyno quickly started to diminish. (ALL the while running cycle as planned) I am now in post cycle therapy (pct), still running letro at 1mg/eod, and gyno has cleared up about 90%. Yes sex drive is down, but who gives a fuck? that is easily corrected, gyno is not.


Yeah, I regret not running arimidex from the start with that cycle, but i opted not to, in order to get a better understanding of how my body reacted to test without aromitase inhibition.

Now I know.

 

[R2TT1]

I will post my results here. [/B]

Hey all, just an update. I am on my fourth day of letro. I did two days of 1mg/eod, then I realized I had better step things up and do what I can to knock this gyno out or I would have to be paying big bucks to get it removed. So I started at 2.5mg/ed and I am on my fourth day of that.

So far I can tell a reduction of the hardness/firmness of the gyno tissue, mainly only in my left mass. They still look the same size however when i look in a mirror, or i look down at them. So hopefully this will work... I am just planning on keeping the dose at 2.5mg/ed and hope they go down.

I have had zero side effects thus far, it almost makes me wonder if it is real stuff. How reputable is PumpNP...? (dunno if i can say that on the boards)