not gaining any muscle?... Just fat?.. First Test E cycle 9 weeks in..

GaijinJapan said:
You're training for strength, not size. Ditch the 5x5 3 times a week and get into the gym 6 times and fatigue your muscles. When on the juice muscle react (size wise) best with reps btw 8-15. Get in the gym and blast your muscles. Your 5x5 is a waste unless you're only going for strength. There may be other issues but this is your most pressing.
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this is asinine
 
Also, the fact that he is doing a beginner's program implies that he is, well...a beginner. OP, how long you been going to the gym consistently? Ans I know some people will think this question is moot (they are wrong), but what are your big 3 lifts at?
 
weavy88 said:
Also, the fact that he is doing a beginner's program implies that he is, well...a beginner. OP, how long you been going to the gym consistently? Ans I know some people will think this question is moot (they are wrong), but what are your big 3 lifts at?
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That doesn't matter!

I haven't benched for over 5 years, most overrated exercise ever for bodybuilding.

I can't squat heavy, so I have to make up for that in other means.

And I only deadlift when running a calorific surplus.

This guy wants to grow muscle - what his big lifts equate too is immaterial.
 
bigben66 said:
That doesn't matter!

I haven't benched for over 5 years, most overrated exercise ever for bodybuilding.

I can't squat heavy, so I have to make up for that in other means.

And I only deadlift when running a calorific surplus.

This guy wants to grow muscle - what his big lifts equate too is immaterial.
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nonetheless, would you honestly say that someone who can only bench 185 is ready for steroids???? Again, people will disagree with me here but if you're not at least somewhat strong, you shouldn't be messing with gear. It's proof you haven't built the necessary base in order to get the most out of a cycle. As to how "strong" that is will depend on many factors.
 
soldier74 said:
That's funn y. I can't remember which sticky thread it is but one of them shows a study with two groups on x amount of test, one group works out the other group doesn't and both gained muscle at the end.
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Your referring to my thread that SHOULD be a sticky:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/674832-rippedzilla-s-thread-knowledge.html#post3578564

The important points for those too lazy to read the whole post:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8637535

"Caloric consumption was set at 36cals/kg of bodyweight with protein consumption set at 1.5g/kg of bodyweight for all the groups.
Training for all groups consisted of 3 non-consecutive days of heavy (90% 1rm), moderate (80% 1rm) & light intensity (70% 1rm) work for 4 sets x 6 reps increased to 5 sets x 6 for the final 5 weeks.

The study took a total of 30 weeks - this included the training & recovery periods (pct, etc) - and the guys on 600mg test ended their cycle after 10 weeks.

After 30 weeks, here are the important muscle mass results:
- Natties gained 1.9kg (4 pounds) of muscle, which is pretty standard gains for any but the elite naturals
- The guys on test with NO exercise gained 3.2kg (7 pounds) of muscle
- The guys on test and a training stimulus gained 6.1kg (13.5 pounds) of muscle "
 
weavy88 said:
nonetheless, would you honestly say that someone who can only bench 185 is ready for steroids???? Again, people will disagree with me here but if you're not at least somewhat strong, you shouldn't be messing with gear. It's proof you haven't built the necessary base in order to get the most out of a cycle. As to how "strong" that is will depend on many factors.
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I respect you, always have but, I have to disagree with you here. Strength does not equal growth nor does strength tell you what someone looks like. In all honesty, with all the bad form and people who do not know how to bench Ive seen over the years more people should probably drop the weight down to 185lbs. You do not need to be strong to build muscle. I have seen people with physiques that would blow your mind and hardly lift any weight. Im not saying this is or is not the case here but, either way I don't think when steroids should be used based on how strong an individual is or how he/she looks, I believe it should be based on years training and also age.

The training program he is on does need work but I still want to see a breakdown of macros and see if it does equate 4000 calories. And even if it is, Id venture to say that's too many for him.
 
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Schredder said:
I respect you, always have but, I have to disagree with you here. Strength does not equal growth nor does strength tell you what someone looks like. In all honesty, with all the bad form and people who do not know how to bench Ive seen over the years more people should probably drop the weight down to 185lbs. You do not need to be strong to build muscle. I have seen people with physiques that would blow your mind and hardly lift any weight. Im not saying this is or is not the case here but, either way I don't think when steroids should be used based on how strong an individual is or how he/she looks, I believe it should be based on years training and also age.

The training program he is on does need work but I still want to see a breakdown of macros and see if it does equate 4000 calories.
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It certainly makes for an interesting debate topic. My stance has been and always will be for people to develop proficiency in the big, multi-joint movements first and then move on to more "sport specific" techniques. Oh Well, guess we'll just have to agree to disagree :)
 
To be fair to Weavy, the ICF 5X5 is a beginner program so that implies 1 of 2 things:

1) OP is a beginner himself and shouldn't be touching AAS
or
2) He has picked an inappropriate program for himself

I also find it amusing that everyone assumes 5x5 = strength when Reg Park's original 5x5 was used by Arnold. To this day, Arnold raves about the results he got from it so yea...:)
 
I want to throw something else out there that I think everyone of us overlooked.

OP, you say your blood work proves your Testosterone isn't fake, can we see the blood work (LH, FSH, TT numbers) to see in fact what is going on, on that side of things? Something isn't adding up in this equation, and its be nice to get every single piece of information so we can tell you what the issue actually is.
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
To be fair to Weavy, the ICF 5X5 is a beginner program so that implies 1 of 2 things:

1) OP is a beginner himself and shouldn't be touching AAS
or
2) He has picked an inappropriate program for himself

I also find it amusing that everyone assumes 5x5 = strength when Reg Park's original 5x5 was used by Arnold. To this day, Arnold raves about the results he got from it so yea...:)
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Oh I agree 100% and Im not comin down on weavy by any means.
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
To be fair to Weavy, the ICF 5X5 is a beginner program so that implies 1 of 2 things:

1) OP is a beginner himself and shouldn't be touching AAS
or
2) He has picked an inappropriate program for himself

I also find it amusing that everyone assumes 5x5 = strength when Reg Park's original 5x5 was used by Arnold. To this day, Arnold raves about the results he got from it so yea...:)
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Bingo...

People act like the 5x5 is the best thing since sliced bread.. shit is so old school, like little high school varsity football training program..

I agree that his current program is NOT for him.. 9 weeks is acceptable time for anyone to see worthwhile results with a decent program fit for them!
 
Schredder said:
Oh I agree 100% and Im not comin down on weavy by any means.
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I was talking about some of the guys on the 1st page automatically assuming OP was training for strength, won't gain muscle, etc because its 5x5 :)

You brought up the fact that we do need to see BW and a macro breakdown to get a better picture of what the issue is - both very good points.
 
.Vision. said:
But he stated he's meeting 4k in cals...
, when you suggested that your Test is legit due to bloods, can you post your results so we can see your e1/e2 levels, and free test are?I'm also ponder were your SHBG is at..
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Schredder said:
I want to throw something else out there that I think everyone of us overlooked.

OP, you say your blood work proves your Testosterone isn't fake, can we see the blood work (LH, FSH, TT numbers) to see in fact what is going on, on that side of things? Something isn't adding up in this equation, and its be nice to get every single piece of information so we can tell you what the issue actually is.
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not everyone... again.. Pay attention to detail! ;)
 
.Vision. said:
In regards to your macro's... what percentage of that meets 4k?

example,here's mine.. 3,700 cals give or take - Total grams - 375ish protein, 375 carbs, 88 fat
Cals - 1450 protein, 1500 carbs , 790+ fat

Brakedown 40ish% protein, 40ish% carbs, 20ish% fat
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To the OP... almost everyone here is asking this question..

Can we see a brake down to better assist you?
 
Schredder said:
I tend to skim read sometimes :)

Shit, maybe were all just getting punked here and someone is getting a good laugh at all of us, LOL!!
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You have a point...maybe this is all just a shame... aint we just a bunch of suckers.. nonetheless lots of vial points!
 
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