Oral Anabolic Steroid cycles

[DADAWG]

As a female taking var. I was told to possible take some liquid along with it. What would that be?

i have no idea what they were talking about .

what dose of Anavar (var) are you on and for how long ?

 

[Rollergirl]

Havent started it yet. But will increase slowly..2.5, 5, etc... I was just told I am getting some good liquid to take with it and it works great. ??

 

[DADAWG]

Havent started it yet. But will increase slowly..2.5, 5, etc... I was just told I am getting some good liquid to take with it and it works great. ??

i would check the liquid very caerfully before using , pm me when you get the order before you start.

 

[Rollergirl]

I will for sure. I asked what the name of it was, and he wasnt sure. It kinda of sounded like it was maybe going to be in place of the var? So we shall see...

 

[7]

Ready to do another T-Bol cycle. I was wondering however if I could just run test boosters as a PCT. I heard T-Bol and Anavare aren't supposed to affect your testosterone too much...

Any advice?

 

[DADAWG]

Ready to do another T-Bol cycle. I was wondering however if I could just run test boosters as a PCT. I heard T-Bol and Anavare aren't supposed to affect your testosterone too much...

Any advice?

anavar and tbol WILL shut you down if you run enough of them to do any good . you posted in this thread so i assume you know that i think your wasting your time running var or tbol only unless your a girl.

 

[7]

anavar and tbol WILL shut you down if you run enough of them to do any good . you posted in this thread so i assume you know that i think your wasting your time running var or tbol only unless your a girl.

Looking for lean gains, anything else I should use instead?

 

[hunkydorky]

Im 41, 180, 5-10 and looking to put on a good 15-20 pounds in mass and gain some good strength. Ive been weight training for ten years and think Ive hit about what I can do without a little help. So if I am reading correctly, a good cycle for me would be:

Cycle:
Week 1-12, Test E 500 MG/EW
Eating correctly; high protein, six meals per day, solid eight hours of sleep each night, no alcohol.

Post Cycle Therapy to begin two weeks after last injection:
Clomid at 50mg every day for 3-4 weeks

I have never done this before and before I do, just need some advice. If this is a good looking cycle for someone who has never done this before, I would greatly appreciate any feedback. Also, with this cycle am I running the risk of developing gynecomastia? I assume the Clomid for 3-4 weeks will prevent this. Any other concerns I should have before beginning this cycle? Hair loss, acne? Ill be taking milk thistle throughout the cycle. Should I plan on a second cycle after this, or will I hit my targeted mass goals of adding 20 pounds of muscle, and keeping on at least 15, after cycling off? Many thanks in advance. Now, off to find Test E 500

 

[DADAWG]

Looking for lean gains, anything else I should use instead?

for the 1000th time lean gains is determined by diet and not the steroid . some setroids do cause a temporary bloat but even that is avoidable.


run test eth or cyp at 400-600 mg a week for 10-12 weeks . start post cycle therapy (pct) 2 weeks after the last injection and use 50 mg of clomid for 3-4 weeks.

 

[DADAWG]

Im 41, 180, 5-10 and looking to put on a good 15-20 pounds in mass and gain some good strength. Ive been weight training for ten years and think Ive hit about what I can do without a little help. So if I am reading correctly, a good cycle for me would be:

Cycle:
Week 1-12, Test E 500 MG/EW
Eating correctly; high protein, six meals per day, solid eight hours of sleep each night, no alcohol.

Post Cycle Therapy to begin two weeks after last injection:
Clomid at 50mg every day for 3-4 weeks

I have never done this before and before I do, just need some advice. If this is a good looking cycle for someone who has never done this before, I would greatly appreciate any feedback. Also, with this cycle am I running the risk of developing gynecomastia? I assume the Clomid for 3-4 weeks will prevent this. Any other concerns I should have before beginning this cycle? Hair loss, acne? Ill be taking milk thistle throughout the cycle. Should I plan on a second cycle after this, or will I hit my targeted mass goals of adding 20 pounds of muscle, and keeping on at least 15, after cycling off? Many thanks in advance. Now, off to find Test E 500

the clomid is for post cycle therapy (pct) and does not prevent gyno . gyno would be rare from that dose but if its a concern get some aromasi and run it at 12.5 mg every day or even every other day during the cycle.

the cycle itself looks good.

 

[hunkydorky]

Thank you very much for your feedback!

 

[tjkita]

PCT for first test cycle

Sorry to jump in on this thread but I've been reading along and have a question for you guys. Will the Clomid in the post cycle therapy (pct) take care of the shrunken testicles or isn't that a concern at this dosage? Is there anything else that one should take with the Clomid for a post cycle therapy (pct) like HCG to retain the gains? What about back bumps or man breasts?

 

[DADAWG]

Sorry to jump in on this thread but I've been reading along and have a question for you guys. Will the Clomid in the post cycle therapy (pct) take care of the shrunken testicles or isn't that a concern at this dosage? Is there anything else that one should take with the Clomid for a post cycle therapy (pct) like HCG to retain the gains? What about back bumps or man breasts?

hcg can be used to prevent or cure testicular atrophy / shrinking but it should be used before post cycle therapy (pct) starts and not during post cycle therapy (pct).aromasin can be used to keep estrogen under control to prevent gyno.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

its spring and every day it seems like i read another ORAL ONLY thread on 1 board or another , dbol only appears to be the favorite sure fire method to look good for spring break.

1st off i would like to say that theres is nothing wrong with dbol , it definately has its place . the same goes for Anavar (var) , drol , halo , tbol , etc. .

heres the problem with oral only cycles . the average man needs 100-200 mg a week of injected test if hes on hormone replacement therapy . if you start using steroids your natural test will shut down , even on Anavar (var) so you will lose the benefit of the test when you cycle.that means you will have to take in that much steroids JUST TO BREAK EVEN.on top of that when you come of that oral / dbol you will be shut down and will take several weeks to recover so you will lose there as well.

thats not a problem on injectable cycles because you will be taking anywhere from 2-5 times as much hormones or more than your body naturally produces . YOU CAN NOT DO THAT USING JUST ORAL STEROIDS. the health effects of massive oral cycles make running them just plain stupid and dangerous.

yes but there is a certain dosage level in comparison to how hard you are shut down.

for example, 25mgs of dbol per day will not shut you down as hard as say 50mgs per day etc..

"In a study done in the early 80’s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it’s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it’s original value, and FSH went down about a third"

as you can see above, 100mgs per day (very high dose) did not completely shut the subjects down. something like 25mgs per day should in theory and based on the study have only a very small effect on shutdown.

 

[DADAWG]

yes but there is a certain dosage level in comparison to how hard you are shut down.

for example, 25mgs of dbol per day will not shut you down as hard as say 50mgs per day etc..

"In a study done in the early 80’s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it’s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it’s original value, and FSH went down about a third"

as you can see above, 100mgs per day (very high dose) did not completely shut the subjects down. something like 25mgs per day should in theory and based on the study have only a very small effect on shutdown.

how long was this cycle ?
who did the study ?

did they just study dbol or make direct comparisons to other steroids and what % shutdown they caused .

all that makes a BIG difference.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

as the study says, it was 6 weeks.

it really doesn't have anything to do with other steroids. the point of the study was to learn the direct impact that 100mgs of Methandrostenolone has on the suppression of plasma testosterone, LH, and FSH. the study can be found on Pubmed under Methandrostenolone.

listen, i agree with you that Oral cycles are not optimal when compared to injectable etc.. but you must take into account the dosage when talking about shutdown and side effects.

 

[DADAWG]

as the study says, it was 6 weeks.

it really doesn't have anything to do with other steroids. the point of the study was to learn the direct impact that 100mgs of Methandrostenolone has on the suppression of plasma testosterone, LH, and FSH. the study can be found on Pubmed under Methandrostenolone.

listen, i agree with you that Oral cycles are not optimal when compared to injectable etc.. but you must take into account the dosage when talking about shutdown and side effects.

did this study check liver lst / alt levels ?

i just dont understand how you think comparing this studies % of shutdown isnt relevant . if there are other / milder steroids that have the same % shutdown why wouldnt we use those.
old studies and half truths dont sway my opinion. we know a whole lot more than we did THIRTY years ago.

 

[DADAWG]

bouncer to be honest im pretty dissapointed in you for making these post.

you have been around a very long time and should know by now that 90% of the newbies coming to these boards arent training right , arent eating right , dont have 1/3rd the knowledge they should have before using steroids and that same 90% is looking for any excuse or half ass sliver of into that justifies his piss poor excuse as to why he cant use injectables and why he weighs 160 pounds at 6 foot tall even though he swears he eats a bazzilion calories a day.

vets and mods of all people dont need to encourage these guys.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

did this study check liver lst / alt levels ?

i just dont understand how you think comparing this studies % of shutdown isnt relevant . if there are other / milder steroids that have the same % shutdown why wouldnt we use those.
old studies and half truths dont sway my opinion. we know a whole lot more than we did THIRTY years ago.

no this study was only studying the effects of shutdown at 100mg per day over 6 weeks.

being a 17aa, for sure dbol would have more of an effect liver values then say testosterone.

BUT, i can say with certainty that 250mgs of test per week (low dose) will actually shut you down more then say 25 mgs of dbol per day.

you can dismiss the study in terms of shutdown by saying it is 30 years old but the science behind it remains the same. the results were what they were and would be the same today.

 

[THE BOUNCER]

bouncer to be honest im pretty dissapointed in you for making these post.

you have been around a very long time and should know by now that 90% of the newbies coming to these boards arent training right , arent eating right , dont have 1/3rd the knowledge they should have before using steroids and that same 90% is looking for any excuse or half ass sliver of into that justifies his piss poor excuse as to why he cant use injectables and why he weighs 160 pounds at 6 foot tall even though he swears he eats a bazzilion calories a day.

vets and mods of all people dont need to encourage these guys.

bro, nobody is encouraging newbies to do oral only cycles.

i am simply pointing out that shutdown is largely dependent on dose. it is incorrect to simply say "dbol only cycle will shut you down".