Oral Anabolic Steroid cycles

[Logical]

I think your theory is flawed based on my personal experience -

I recently did 60mg/week 8 week dbol cycle. Here in Aus bloodwork doesn't cost a penny so my doctor took blood pre cycle, then I went in around the 6 week mark and then again a month after post cycle therapy (pct).

Now, the reason your theory is flawed is due to these reasons:

Oral only cycle doesnt shut you down to 0. My test at the 6 week mark was at 280 which was just under the lowest "normal range". Pre cycle #was 480, so a decline but not down to 0.

Secondly, MG for MG Dbol is stronger then Testosterone.

The above factors will vary greatly from individual to individual however being a 28yr old male I would say the above wouldn't be too far off for people in good health.

I won't go into cycle details - it was a great cycle but im not here to discuss the results, just to address why your reasoning is flawed.

Lastly, and this is from personal experience. I do not believe long esters / injecting steroids in general is worthwhile unless you adopt the cruise and blast approach which means you stay "ON" full time. I believe oral cycles are the way to go unless you take the above approach.

I welcome any discussion on my post.

claiming dbol is mg per mg stronger than testosterone is doubtful, it looks good on paper but from experience testosterone will leave you with a lot more mass at the end of a cycle than dbol will

With that in mind, imagine what the results of that cycle would have been with the addition of testosterone. Running test prop for the same duration you ran the dbol, or slightly longer, and you would experience significantly greater gains with comparable shutdown. post cycle therapy (pct) will be necessary regardless of the addition of testosterone, so you're not really saving your body a whole lot of stress; if anything you're making it more difficult because of the negative effects of low testosterone in the body

additionally, running orals is significantly harder on your body, especially your heart and liver. If you could run injectable testosterone instead of dbol, experience greater gains, not deal with liver toxicity, and have improved rather than reduced libido, why wouldnt you?

 

[DADAWG]

I think your theory is flawed based on my personal experience -

I recently did 60mg/week 8 week dbol cycle. Here in Aus bloodwork doesn't cost a penny so my doctor took blood pre cycle, then I went in around the 6 week mark and then again a month after PCT.

Now, the reason your theory is flawed is due to these reasons:

Oral only cycle doesnt shut you down to 0. My test at the 6 week mark was at 280 which was just under the lowest "normal range". Pre cycle #was 480, so a decline but not down to 0.

Secondly, MG for MG Dbol is stronger then Testosterone.

The above factors will vary greatly from individual to individual however being a 28yr old male I would say the above wouldn't be too far off for people in good health.

I won't go into cycle details - it was a great cycle but im not here to discuss the results, just to address why your reasoning is flawed.

Lastly, and this is from personal experience. I do not believe long esters / injecting steroids in general is worthwhile unless you adopt the cruise and blast approach which means you stay "ON" full time. I believe oral cycles are the way to go unless you take the above approach.

I welcome any discussion on my post.

i can see by your post count of 1 that you are obviouslly a very knowledgeable person and should probablly be made at least a mod if not a admin.all i have for credentials is ACTUALLY DOING THIS STUFF since some of these guys have been in DIAPERS .i know how dbol only cycles do because back in the day before i knew better , i did them , i can ACTUALLY compare them to dozens of other cycles because ive ACTUALLY done them . even if your telling the truth about your results they are NOT typical and there is a very good chance that the next time you did that cycle the results would be different.
when you take all the info thats available today into consideration what it all boils down to if you cant get th nerve up to wear your big boy panties and inject your do oral only cycles . if your balls have dropped and your all grown up you do either injectables or injectables with orals to kick start.

 

[wildwest]

Oracle - "Oral only cycle doesnt shut you down to 0. My test at the 6 week mark was at 280 which was just under the lowest "normal range". Pre cycle #was 480, so a decline but not down to 0."

Just so I'm understanding, you took the orals to lower your test? If you were @480 precycle and then dropped to 280 3/4 of the way through the cycle, seems like your idea of why you're running gear is flawed.

 

[juced_porkchop]

I think your theory is flawed based on my personal experience -

I recently did 60mg/week 8 week dbol cycle. Here in Aus bloodwork doesn't cost a penny so my doctor took blood pre cycle, then I went in around the 6 week mark and then again a month after PCT.

Now, the reason your theory is flawed is due to these reasons:

Oral only cycle doesnt shut you down to 0. My test at the 6 week mark was at 280 which was just under the lowest "normal range". Pre cycle #was 480, so a decline but not down to 0.

Secondly, MG for MG Dbol is stronger then Testosterone.

The above factors will vary greatly from individual to individual however being a 28yr old male I would say the above wouldn't be too far off for people in good health.

I won't go into cycle details - it was a great cycle but im not here to discuss the results, just to address why your reasoning is flawed.

Lastly, and this is from personal experience. I do not believe long esters / injecting steroids in general is worthwhile unless you adopt the cruise and blast approach which means you stay "ON" full time. I believe oral cycles are the way to go unless you take the above approach.

I welcome any discussion on my post.

thats such a retarted statment im not even going to expand on it other then this: IT DOES NOT EFFECT YOUR BODY THE SAME AS TESOSTERONE, IT IS NOT TEST, IT IS NOT USED FOR MANY BODLY FUNCTIONS AS TEST IS!
yoru theory is flawed.
hey I or others never said it shuts you down to 0 but it DOES SHUT YOU DOWN! thats a fact and the point.
oral only cyclea are shit and more unhealthy thats as blunt and simple as can post it.....

 

[juced_porkchop]

i can see by your post count of 1 that you are obviouslly a very knowledgeable person and should probablly be made at least a mod if not a admin.all i have for credentials is ACTUALLY DOING THIS STUFF since some of these guys have been in DIAPERS .i know how dbol only cycles do because back in the day before i knew better , i did them , i can ACTUALLY compare them to dozens of other cycles because ive ACTUALLY done them . even if your telling the truth about your results they are NOT typical and there is a very good chance that the next time you did that cycle the results would be different.
when you take all the info thats available today into consideration what it all boils down to if you cant get th nerve up to wear your big boy panties and inject your do oral only cycles . if your balls have dropped and your all grown up you do either injectables or injectables with orals to kick start.

yah I don't know why i even bothers responding to him nether with 1post lol
probibly a member already here that didnt want to be flaimed for him self pushing his point/thought to make him self accept that what he is doing is right(oral only) the onyl oral only thats good is with agirl. other then that ill stick to the test base as its only heathy.
shit even a topical test "DHEA" like the RS-Transaderm with an oral onyl cycle is better then nothing.

 

[alldayeveryday]

Dissolve under tongue-Fact or Fiction

Was told to disolve D under tongue.

Fact or fiction?

Advantage or disadvantage?

Thanks for any advice. I have no experience with orals, trust my injectable knowledge, but I consider the source before I just stick something under my tongue instead of swallowing it.

Thanks again.

 

[HumanAnatomy]

Hey Dadawg, new to steroids, about to attempt my first cycle, been lifting for 5 years, stats are 23, ht 5"11, weight 186, bf 14%-16%. Was about to try a Anavar (var) only cycle for 8 weeks at 50mg/day until i came across this sticky and it made my realize i should do it right or not at all; that being said going to try injections. so after much research i think i have a proper cycle now:

wk 1-12 400mg test e
aromasin daily during cycle
2 wk after last injection start nolv + clom
clom 50/50/50/50
nolv 40/40/20/10

i would like to keep this cycle relatively mild and lower dose considering this is my first time and i would like to try to minimize side effects.

my question is since i have the Anavar (var) already can i properly/safely incorporate this into this cycle? say for first 4wks until test kicks in? run it the duration of the cycle? what would you recommend?.. not looking to gain a ton of bulk just like to hit lean 200. as well is hcg necessary during the cycle? thanks for any advice you can provide

 

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[TheOracle]

thats such a retarted statment im not even going to expand on it other then this: IT DOES NOT EFFECT YOUR BODY THE SAME AS TESOSTERONE, IT IS NOT TEST, IT IS NOT USED FOR MANY BODLY FUNCTIONS AS TEST IS!
yoru theory is flawed.
hey I or others never said it shuts you down to 0 but it DOES SHUT YOU DOWN! thats a fact and the point.
oral only cyclea are shit and more unhealthy thats as blunt and simple as can post it.....

Settle down mate I am only here to discuss your post in a rational manner.

Now for the purpose of building muscle, MG for MG DBOL will give you better results. Compare 8 weeks of 350mg of test to 350mg of DBOL. It isnt even a contest. I would say you could double the test and the DBOL still wins.

As far as health is concerned, what exactly are we comparing here?

8weeks of dbol to 8 weeks of test - the test will be better on the liver, but worse on testicular atrophy and natural testosterone shutdown. In this comparison both will have similar effects on blood pressure and lipid profiles. I'll take the liver beating personally but thats up to the individual.

Now the issue is that people aren't running test only cycles for 8 weeks. The duration is longer, and other compounds such as deca/eq/tren are introduced.

If you think someone running stack of test and other compounds has better health then someone doing a dbol only cycle then you are straight up wrong. Some of the BP and lipid profile issues experienced here are so far from healthy its ridiculous.

Now my beef is as follows:

People such as yourself should be advising people to do shorter oral only cycles e.g 4-6 weeks, and not telling them to get into the world of injecting where adding compounds and cycle length is only going increase.

Such cycles will keep your strength and muscle mass coming along, slowly but surely but most importantly safely.

For some reason you think you are doing them a favour with your horrid advice when in fact you are being the devil.

Unless you are talking to a professional or someone trying to be a professional, which 99% of the people reading your posts are not, you should not be recommending such cycles.

You will in fact be in better health with such oral cycles, save money and when all is done and dusted and you have been off the gear for a year, the end result will be the same.

If this is too much for you to compute, I'll put it like this.

I am telling someone to smoke weed and you are telling someone to use Heroin.

PS. No I am not a previous member on this site

 

[DADAWG]

Settle down mate I am only here to discuss your post in a rational manner.

Now for the purpose of building muscle, MG for MG DBOL will give you better results. Compare 8 weeks of 350mg of test to 350mg of DBOL. It isnt even a contest. I would say you could double the test and the DBOL still wins.

As far as health is concerned, what exactly are we comparing here?

8weeks of dbol to 8 weeks of test - the test will be better on the liver, but worse on testicular atrophy and natural testosterone shutdown. In this comparison both will have similar effects on blood pressure and lipid profiles. I'll take the liver beating personally but thats up to the individual.

Now the issue is that people aren't running test only cycles for 8 weeks. The duration is longer, and other compounds such as deca/eq/tren are introduced.

If you think someone running stack of test and other compounds has better health then someone doing a dbol only cycle then you are straight up wrong. Some of the BP and lipid profile issues experienced here are so far from healthy its ridiculous.

Now my beef is as follows:

People such as yourself should be advising people to do shorter oral only cycles e.g 4-6 weeks, and not telling them to get into the world of injecting where adding compounds and cycle length is only going increase.

Such cycles will keep your strength and muscle mass coming along, slowly but surely but most importantly safely.

For some reason you think you are doing them a favour with your horrid advice when in fact you are being the devil.

Unless you are talking to a professional or someone trying to be a professional, which 99% of the people reading your posts are not, you should not be recommending such cycles.

You will in fact be in better health with such oral cycles, save money and when all is done and dusted and you have been off the gear for a year, the end result will be the same.

If this is too much for you to compute, I'll put it like this.

I am telling someone to smoke weed and you are telling someone to use Heroin.

PS. No I am not a previous member on this site

yo have no idea what your talking about there are health implications form orals that dont even come into effect with test . do not give advice to others , if you are unwilling to listen to advice thats your business but dont fuck up anyone else.

 

[HumanAnatomy]

Dadawg, you mind checking post 188 and have any insight or advice if this is a suitable cycle?

 

[DADAWG]

Hey Dadawg, new to steroids, about to attempt my first cycle, been lifting for 5 years, stats are 23, ht 5"11, weight 186, bf 14%-16%. Was about to try a Anavar (var) only cycle for 8 weeks at 50mg/day until i came across this sticky and it made my realize i should do it right or not at all; that being said going to try injections. so after much research i think i have a proper cycle now:

wk 1-12 400mg test e
aromasin daily during cycle
2 wk after last injection start nolv + clom
clom 50/50/50/50
nolv 40/40/20/10

i would like to keep this cycle relatively mild and lower dose considering this is my first time and i would like to try to minimize side effects.

my question is since i have the Anavar (var) already can i properly/safely incorporate this into this cycle? say for first 4wks until test kicks in? run it the duration of the cycle? what would you recommend?.. not looking to gain a ton of bulk just like to hit lean 200. as well is hcg necessary during the cycle? thanks for any advice you can provide

at 400 mg you probablly dont even need aromasin so start out low , maybe 6.25-12.5 mg a day. the cycle is fine imo . i always reccomend test only for a 1st cycle but the world wouldnt end if you added the Anavar (var) .

 

[alldayeveryday]

Agree with the Dawg. I've safely done 15 years of injectable only Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) with no serious side effects. (Blood reviewed every 90 days) All have been injectable basic test, legit gear, prescribed, picked up at pharmacies, and no way in hell could I have achieved the benefits of this long of a cycle with oral.

Comparing oral to injectable for sustaining anything, or safety simply shows you have no personal experience.

 

[juced_porkchop]

yo have no idea what your talking about there are health implications form orals that dont even come into effect with test . do not give advice to others , if you are unwilling to listen to advice thats your business but dont fuck up anyone else.

a toned down summery of what i was about to say, thankyou.


just to say alone that and oral would effect HDL/LDL similarly as test shows how much this guy does not know about what he thinks he is a guru on.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Agree with the Dawg. I've safely done 15 years of injectable only Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) with no serious side effects. (Blood reviewed every 90 days) All have been injectable basic test, legit gear, prescribed, picked up at pharmacies, and no way in hell could I have achieved the benefits of this long of a cycle with oral.

Comparing oral to injectable for sustaining anything, or safety simply shows you have no personal experience.

I agree.
probibly some one with a SHITLOAD of articals in his head from reading, but no common sence in this feild or exp.

this guy is reminding me f this guy that was on boards im on called "steroidguru" guy thought he knew everything lol


BTW i would never rec a bunch of short oral only cycled over a decent 12-14wks test cycle.

 

[HumanAnatomy]

at 400 mg you probablly dont even need aromasin so start out low , maybe 6.25-12.5 mg a day. the cycle is fine imo . i always reccomend test only for a 1st cycle but the world wouldnt end if you added the Anavar (var) .

Would I run the Anavar (var) the duration of the cycle at a steady dose? Or only for the first 4 weeks or so. Thanks again. And will be changing the test e too 500mg since my vials are 250 per ml

 

[dagner]

Hey Dawg I need your input...Before reading this thread I was under the impression I could run an Oral only cycle but I was misguided. I want to gain 5lbs (the most 10lbs) of LBM. I was originally thinking straight Anavar 40mg/day 4-6 weeks along with Arimidex 0.5mg/day and Cycle Assist and I currently take Finesteride 1mg/day. For post I was going to run HCG while still continuing the Arimidex and Cycle Assist. I know now I should add a Test but which one Prop, Eth, Cyp, or sus250...etc. Also canI still run everything else the same jsust add a Test? Obviously I'm in need of guidance, that's why I'm here.

 

[DADAWG]

Would I run the Anavar (var) the duration of the cycle at a steady dose? Or only for the first 4 weeks or so. Thanks again. And will be changing the test e too 500mg since my vials are 250 per ml

limit the Anavar (var) to the 1st 4-6 weeks.

 

[alldayeveryday]

I agree.
probibly some one with a SHITLOAD of articals in his head from reading, but no common sence in this feild or exp.

this guy is reminding me f this guy that was on boards im on called "steroidguru" guy thought he knew everything lol


BTW i would never rec a bunch of short oral only cycled over a decent 12-14wks test cycle.

Sorry to work you up chop. You must of missed understood me or me you. The only thing I claim to know is exactly what 15 years of trial and error Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) with INJECTABLE has done for me.

I don't read articles. I prefer to read the actual prescription insert that comes in the legit injectable from a legit pharmacy.

Not looking to get huge. I prefer to stay at a weight and condition level that allows for functional strenght and endurance. I stay at the same weight year round give or take 5-10 and just looking to try oral for a change up for 4-6 weeks.

Again, don't know anywhere close to everything. Anyone who thinks that is closing themselves off to learning. Sorry if you took me wrong, didn't get on this board to argue, but to get different opinions to form my own.

Good luck in your endeavors and sweet profile pic. Can never go wrong with a blond in fishnets!

 

[juced_porkchop]

Would I run the Anavar (var) the duration of the cycle at a steady dose? Or only for the first 4 weeks or so. Thanks again. And will be changing the test e too 500mg since my vials are 250 per ml

iwould personally do Anavar (var) 6-8weeks itsmild but stilltoxic toliver.
50-80mg ed for 6-8 weeks is fine. but i would rec Tbol over it due to more gains and less price.