Over training on cycle- even possible?

Roush

Roush

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Apart from the idea "there's no such thing as over training-- just under eating and under sleeping"

Is is even possible to over train while on a boat load of gear? Recovery, nitrogen retention, glycogen stores, etc are all highly elevated on cycle. Seems OT would be very difficult, except for tendon and joint stress.

What's your guys' thoughts and experiences?

My last cycle I was lifting slightly heavy 5 days a week for an hour n half per WO ,, due to some strains I switched routine to 4 days a week, lighter weight, an hour max (I starred growing faster once I did this)
 
sound like you answered your own question by stating that your growth was better after backing off a litle from the gym. im interested in what others thoughts are on this as ive wondered the same thing though...good post!
 
i tend to go full throttle in life in general with things...ecspecially hitting the gym alot while on....ALOT!!!
 
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Roush said:
Apart from the idea "there's no such thing as over training-- just under eating and under sleeping"

Is is even possible to over train while on a boat load of gear? Recovery, nitrogen retention, glycogen stores, etc are all highly elevated on cycle. Seems OT would be very difficult, except for tendon and joint stress.

What's your guys' thoughts and experiences?

My last cycle I was lifting slightly heavy 5 days a week for an hour n half per WO ,, due to some strains I switched routine to 4 days a week, lighter weight, an hour max (I starred growing faster once I did this)
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In my opinion OT is still possible. There doesn't seem to be a steroid for your CNS. But everyone is a hair different. You have to find out what's best for YOU.
I go by how I feel in general. 5 days /wk is my limit. My workouts seem more productive and stronger when I have a day to recover on Sunday and in the middle of the week.
 
I think the biggest difference last cycle was going to lifting lighter weights and higher reps.. Think I responded well to that., not sure if it was going to the gym less often or doing lighter weight that made the biggest difference.
 
not if your not UNDEREATING or not allowing time for lactic to recede...a variable to each individual..ie---rest is important.

Instead of using week s to do x body part s when I was pounding it..gearage and lifting either for strength meets or show s I went back to my euro trash root s and did my pin s and w-o s and ALL on a 10 day ideology.

It recquired a calendar granted but..I was a broke ass college or grad student so...what the heck else did I have to...

For overall size and strength I had to train like a power lifter---bulking. hen for show s throw in high rep site specific movements which usually increased my movements by 50 percent. Gym time was ame as in powerlifting I d take long break s between triple s or fives.

I d say any over training can be addressed w good calories and proper sleep and recovery times.
 
For me OT is possible but I try to use the recovery response as a tool. For me I have to actively work towards overtraining. It does not happen by accident. I can train 6 days a week but I have to keep moving things around to not get to a sticking point. If you work with periodization like a few weeks focused on strength, then a few focused on hypertrophy, and a few weeks focused on speed and power then its pretty hard to OT while on gear. The muscle recovery is not the issue its the joints and connective tissues and the nerves.
 
I never have felt over trained as i do now but i work nights 12+ hours at times and i do t have time to recover. Sleep is definitely the most important to recover imo i stay sore longer a d run down because of lack of sleep.
 
I'm going to have to say fuck yes on the overtraining even with gear. Go check my journal out. My gear is just a "touch" higher then what I have stated on there. I'm still in the process of finding that sweet spot of not overtraining and feeling smashed from previous WO. With Zilla's help I'm a ton closer to being where I should be. I'm going to hit body parts twice a week, it's just finding the correct volume and intensity. Killing shit every workout month on month obviously ain't the answer. There is a sweet spot for everyone, unfortunately there's no cookie cut approach.
 
carverelli said:
In my opinion OT is still possible. There doesn't seem to be a steroid for your CNS . But everyone is a hair different. You have to find out what's best for YOU.
I go by how I feel in general. 5 days /wk is my limit. My workouts seem more productive and stronger when I have a day to recover on Sunday and in the middle of the week.
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I think bolded is the weak link in the chain if everything else is in optimal condition. You just start to shut down mentally and physically after a certain point. But I guess that could fall under sleep/rest.

If it isn't sore, I'll train it. Then again, I I hear commanding shit to grow works too. Just ask CT. ;)
 
halfwit said:
I think bolded is the weak link in the chain if everything else is in optimal condition. You just start to shut down mentally and physically after a certain point. But I guess that could fall under sleep/rest.

If it isn't sore, I'll train it. Then again, I I hear commanding shit to grow works too. Just ask CT. ;)
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I'll try almost anything, (within reason) to grow. CT is the man. A little nuts but hard to argue with the result.
 
even if you're not "sore" it doesn't mean that muscle is ready to be trained again... each muscle group needs at least 5 days rest to be ready to be trained again. That's what works for me anyway. And if nutrition/diet is not up to par then it can take longer for recovery. gotta eat to grow

the most overlooked item is sleep... I have definitely had the best results when I'm sleeping well at night and then get a 1-hr cat nap during the day.

Look around at the guys training a muscle group more than once per week... most of them are on the smaller side, and never have much change to there physique, at least that's what I see. I'm 41, 5'10", 240 and fairly lean... hitting a muscle hard, then resting it for 5 days or so has been decent to me. I'm still trying to grow, but hey, aren't we all ;)
 
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Dorian yates believed in over training and had an intresting work out routine. Ive heard rich gaspari also say he felt he would have been in better shape in his prime if he hadnt have over trained himself. I think for people on steroids over training is still possible.
 
over training is possible if not probable. Recovery time is key. I run a 4 day split with 1-2 days variable muscle groups. That said, my workouts are intense and not for most people.
 
China_Wall said:
even if you're not "sore" it doesn't mean that muscle is ready to be trained again... each muscle group needs at least 5 days rest to be ready to be trained again. That's what works for me anyway. And if nutrition/diet is not up to par then it can take longer for recovery. gotta eat to grow

the most overlooked item is sleep... I have definitely had the best results when I'm sleeping well at night and then get a 1-hr cat nap during the day.

Look around at the guys training a muscle group more than once per week... most of them are on the smaller side, and never have much change to there physique, at least that's what I see. I'm 41, 5'10", 240 and fairly lean... hitting a muscle hard, then resting it for 5 days or so has been decent to me. I'm still trying to grow, but hey, aren't we all ;)
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i tend to agree with this school of though & practice as well. i think i may add the commandmnt theory as well....like that idea, lol!
 
I don't think most people have the mental drive to over train. Iv seen people that were not that big deadlift more than a guy on gear just because he was mentally insane. Like CT shows the body can adapt, you may be sore for a week or two. But I don't beleave in overtraining. If you keep rotating body parts it might be 5 days before you get back to the same one.
 
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