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[shredderz]

Need help with PCT timming

How many days after last injections would you start your PCT

On a 325mg/week --- 8 weeks cycle using a test blend like this one

Each Ml contains:
+ test Enanthate 120mg
+ test Propionate 30 mg
+ test Acetate 30mg
+ test Decanoate 100mg
+ test Isocaproate 45 mg


Stats:
- 35 years old
- 17 years of training
- 5'8'' 180lbs
- around 10% bodyfat

Thanks for your help !

 

[shredderz]

bump

 

[Old Duffer]

Wow, never seen a blend like that! Your longest half-life is 15 days but I am no pct expert. Sry

 

[shredderz]

A veteran member here suggested that I wait 28 days before PCT .. but did not explained why

I wonder why should I wait that long ..

 

[LateStart]

A veteran member here suggested that I wait 28 days before PCT .. but did not explained why

I wonder why should I wait that long ..

Assuming he advised 28 days to let the test clear your system. If you are below your bodies natural level you respond better to pct. Just a guess.
If you want to start sooner, and I probably would, then just run your pct longer. Assuming your pct is clomid and nolva I would make sure I ran the clomid out 6 weeks. That's just me.
Good luck bro

 

[shredderz]

Assuming he advised 28 days to let the test clear your system. If you are below your bodies natural level you respond better to pct. Just a guess.
If you want to start sooner, and I probably would, then just run your pct longer. Assuming your pct is clomid and nolva I would make sure I ran the clomid out 6 weeks. That's just me.
Good luck bro

Thanks for your answer ! Since its a 8week cycle with low dose ( 325mg/week) I'll will be running a Nolvadex only cycle . 40/40/20/20

 

[shredderz]

How many days after last injections would you start your PCT

On a 325mg/week --- 8 weeks cycle using a test blend like this one

Each Ml contains:
+ test Enanthate 120mg
+ test Propionate 30 mg
+ test Acetate 30mg
+ test Decanoate 100mg
+ test Isocaproate 45 mg


Stats:
- 35 years old
- 17 years of training
- 5'8'' 180lbs
- around 10% bodyfat

Thanks for your help !

 

[Megatron28]

I would wait about 21 days. Maybe a little less since you ran such a low dose.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for your answer ! Since its a 8week cycle with low dose ( 325mg/week) I'll will be running a Nolvadex only cycle . 40/40/20/20

Sounds like a bad idea.

 

[Megatron28]

I merged your threads since they are on the same topic.

 

[shredderz]

Sounds like a bad idea.

Thanks Megatron , I was going to start PCT between 21 and 28 days after last inj.

Why is it a bad idea ? Is it that bad to use only Nolvadex ?
I know its not otimal , but plenty of people seem to prefer Nolvadex only PCT ( even if they do longer cycle with much higher dose ) . Just wondering
Thanks !

 

[jp4355]

Megatron got you on how long to wait until PCT ~ usually between 18 to 21 Days with this type of Miix.

But 8 Weeks is Too Short with all those Long Esters in that Mix.
Any Ester takes between 4 to 5 Half-Lives to reach Peak Blood Plasma Levels.

Test Isocaproate has a Half-Life of 9 Days.
Test Enanthate has a Half-Life of 10.5 Days
Test Decanoate has a Half-Life of 15 Days.

And since both the Enanthate and Decanoate are the 2 Highest amounts in the Mix.
You would have been better served with a 12 Week Cycle instead of 8 Weeks.

And I also agree with Megatron, your PCT needs work............................ JP

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

dont kid yourself you were completely shut down. You should run HCG for 2-3 week till you testicle size is back to narmal and then run Clomid for a month. I run IGF-1Lr3 with any cycle and pct. it helps to say the least.

 

[scorob777]

From the "my steroid cycle" thread where you posted the same thing.

I plotted out your cycle on the graph below, used 10 days for enanthate, 3 days for prop, 2 days for acetate, 14 days for decanoate, and 9 days for isocaproate.

View attachment 567167

Each of the lower lines is a compound, and the black is the total test levels.

You can see after taking last shot at week 8-1/2 the levels start to drop from 45 ish. Natural production is about 14 ish, so it's good to wait until you hit that to start your PCT drugs, then make sure duration is long enough to push you out to where most of the injected test is gone.

This charts shows about 2-1/2 weeks to hit 14, then if you ran PCT for 4 weeks you'd be down around 2.5 ish which is about 18% still suppressed. If you ran PCT 5 weeks you'd still be 12% suppressed.

So I'd suggest you wait 2-1/2 weeks, and run PCT for 5 or 6 weeks.

 

[shredderz]

From the "my steroid cycle" thread where you posted the same thing.

I plotted out your cycle on the graph below, used 10 days for enanthate, 3 days for prop, 2 days for acetate, 14 days for decanoate, and 9 days for isocaproate.

View attachment 567167

Each of the lower lines is a compound, and the black is the total test levels.

You can see after taking last shot at week 8-1/2 the levels start to drop from 45 ish. Natural production is about 14 ish, so it's good to wait until you hit that to start your PCT drugs, then make sure duration is long enough to push you out to where most of the injected test is gone.

This charts shows about 2-1/2 weeks to hit 14, then if you ran PCT for 4 weeks you'd be down around 2.5 ish which is about 18% still suppressed. If you ran PCT 5 weeks you'd still be 12% suppressed.

So I'd suggest you wait 2-1/2 weeks, and run PCT for 5 or 6 weeks.

Thank you very much for your insight. I really appreciate

 

[shredderz]

I was also planning to use arimsitane between last injection and PCT start .

What do you guys think about this? Would you continue arimistane in PCT ?

Thanks

 

[tbonexl]

A veteran member here suggested that I wait 28 days before PCT .. but did not explained why

I wonder why should I wait that long ..

I suggested the pct calculator. I said it MAY be 28 days bud..

Otc ai and pct is garbage. I mentioned in another thread that when using real steroids you shouldn't go the otc route unless you started with otc stuff. It would be like treating a heroin overdose with some otc crap instead of narcan. Save your m9ney with the otc stuff...

 

[shredderz]

I suggested the pct calculator. I said it MAY be 28 days bud..

Otc ai and pct is garbage. I mentioned in another thread that when using real steroids you shouldn't go the otc route unless you started with otc stuff. It would be like treating a heroin overdose with some otc crap instead of narcan. Save your m9ney with the otc stuff...

I agree with you most OTC AI and PCT are garbage , but arimistane seem to be effective enought to be banned by the World Anti Doping Agency (WADA)
I know invitro studies dont mean a lot but one in vitro studies suggest that androsta 3 5 diene 7 17 dione ( arimistane) can be as effective as some precription AI (Novel Aromatase Inhibitors by Structure-Guided Design)

Since its cheap and easily available and seem to have mild AI propriety , I think that I will give it a try before PCT to help lower estrogen

 

[IMT]

I was also planning to use arimsitane between last injection and PCT start .

What do you guys think about this? Would you continue arimistane in PCT ?

Thanks

for what purpose? why not go the tried and true way, nolva and clomid?

 

[tbonexl]

I agree with you most OTC AI and PCT are garbage , but arimistane seem to be effective enought to be banned by the World Anti Doping Agency (WADA)
I know invitro studies dont mean a lot but one in vitro studies suggest that androsta 3 5 diene 7 17 dione ( arimistane) can be as effective as some precription AI (Novel Aromatase Inhibitors by Structure-Guided Design)

Since its cheap and easily available and seem to have mild AI propriety , I think that I will give it a try before PCT to help lower estrogen

You should be using a real ai up to pct. Good luck with otc crap..