PH and Test as a base?

[ICEN]

Just wondering why do so many people on this forum preach YOU MUST HAVE A TEST AS A BASE when using a ph?
On other sites forums that I have been on not many people talk about using test as a base when using a ph?
For example if someone was using SD the normal cycle reply would be like oh just take it like this

Take a liver supp a week or two before using the PH then use SD along with a liver supp for 4 weeks on. Keep nolva/clomid on hand in case of gyno which is unlikely with SD but still.

Then PCT use Clomid/Nolva along with liver supp, some people will recommend using a test booster such as DAA and others won't.

But why don't I ever here them say you must run test as a base with your ph, those are pretty knowledgeable guys so why do none of them say this while as many people I see on this site say it so much.

 

[anewguy]

Most guys here are saying that you shouldn't run orals like dbol or drol without test. Personally, I would not run a PH without test either. OR scratch that.... I would never run a PH at all. Why not use a real oral?

That being said... Many people do PH cycles with good results. Problem is that these shut down your natural testosterone production (or many of them do) and give you nothing to replace the TESTOSTERONE. Think about how important testosterone is. Also, sides with PH's can be pretty dangerous from what I have seen. (Couple buddies use them, but I don't)

Here's my opinion, so take it or leave it: If you are capable of getting things like Nolva/Clomid, you shouldn't have much trouble obtaining gear. While obviously the legality of it is not 100% safe, you can bet your ass that from the perspective of health, you are much better with testosterone.

Also, I tend to think that test boosters are BS.

If you are really interested in PH's and want to know why they aren't really discussed here... It's probably because you haven't noticed our PH forum yet. Welcome to Ology bro, enjoy your stay.

 

[ICEN]

tnx, but this is what I don't get, people say run test, okay but isn't test still going to shut your natural hormone production down just like a PH, if your getting testosterone your body is still going to stop making testosterone right or wrong?
So why would you run two things that shut down your natty test levels if running one would be better than running two.

Of course running the real deal is much more effective and safer but PH's also do the same thing, although they might not be as effective and have the same sides or less sides they still do what they say they do.

So if both can shut down your test
why would people say run a test base along with PH that doesn't make since in my mind because if ph can shut you down than wouldnt adding test just shut you down even harder or is there something im not getting here?

Im not here to say PHs work better than the real deal Im just trying to understand why would you run two things that shut you down at once? What is the benifit?

 

[ICEN]

No answer hummm

 

[juced_porkchop]

Just wondering why do so many people on this forum preach YOU MUST HAVE A TEST AS A BASE when using a ph?
On other sites forums that I have been on not many people talk about using test as a base when using a ph?
For example if someone was using SD the normal cycle reply would be like oh just take it like this

Take a liver supp a week or two before using the PH then use SD along with a liver supp for 4 weeks on. Keep nolva/clomid on hand in case of gyno which is unlikely with SD but still.

Then PCT use Clomid/Nolva along with liver supp, some people will recommend using a test booster such as DAA and others won't.

But why don't I ever here them say you must run test as a base with your ph, those are pretty knowledgeable guys so why do none of them say this while as many people I see on this site say it so much.

because most have never pinned or dont like to so they ignore the fact when you use a PH or any other steorid your body SHUTS DOWN its OWN production of test.
THATS why you want a test base with ANY steroid.
your body uses testosterone for more then just muscle and libido.

to be using an oral with no test base is more unhealthy then using the same oral with a test base.

thats my 0.2...

 

[juced_porkchop]

tnx, but this is what I don't get, people say run test, okay but isn't test still going to shut your natural hormone production down just like a PH, if your getting testosterone your body is still going to stop making testosterone right or wrong?
So why would you run two things that shut down your natty test levels if running one would be better than running two.

Of course running the real deal is much more effective and safer but PH's also do the same thing, although they might not be as effective and have the same sides or less sides they still do what they say they do.

So if both can shut down your test
why would people say run a test base along with PH that doesn't make since in my mind because if ph can shut you down than wouldnt adding test just shut you down even harder or is there something im not getting here?

Im not here to say PHs work better than the real deal Im just trying to understand why would you run two things that shut you down at once? What is the benifit?

Yes but YOUR REPLACEING IT WITH THE TEST INJECTIONS!
your body will use it the same way.
ONLY Test is the true NEEDED horomone (well one of a couple, but you get my point). the others are alterd forms of test or prog that are givin names. like deca for eg. or EQ.

so when you start say a 500mg ew teste cycle does your body shut down its own?
YES.
but you are taking test so that dosen't matter as much. your libido won't crash, you won't want to sleep all day and feel like crap, among many other things..

Helps?

 

[juced_porkchop]

tnx, but this is what I don't get, people say run test, okay but isn't test still going to shut your natural hormone production down just like a PH, if your getting testosterone your body is still going to stop making testosterone right or wrong?
So why would you run two things that shut down your natty test levels if running one would be better than running two.

Of course running the real deal is much more effective and safer but PH's also do the same thing, although they might not be as effective and have the same sides or less sides they still do what they say they do.

So if both can shut down your test
why would people say run a test base along with PH that doesn't make since in my mind because if ph can shut you down than wouldnt adding test just shut you down even harder or is there something im not getting here?

Im not here to say PHs work better than the real deal Im just trying to understand why would you run two things that shut you down at once? What is the benifit?

Your missing the point..... the issue is not the level of shut down, fuck care abotu that. its WHATS in your body at this time.... YOUR REPLACEING WHATS LOST! thats HEALTHY to an extent.

got it?

 

[juced_porkchop]

I have a feeling your looking for something your NOT gonna get from this site and most other people that know what they are doing...That some one will agree with you..
If you want to do it, go ahead. but its not a good idea..... and I feel stupid to.

Good luck though

 

[anewguy]

Yes. Key word REPLACING.

 

[ICEN]

Ya but why would you tell someone to run PH with TEST?
If ph is shutting you down by itself
and a test can shut you down
Why would you tell people to run a PH with a test thats double chances of getting shutdown?

Like if I said taking off a tire of your car can cause you to wreck, but then I say hey also while your driving with one tire missing also ride around with your hood wide open, thats double the chances of wrecking.

Shouldnt the answer be, take test instead of PH, not take both at the same time.
If I was taking a ph I surely wouldnt want to add a test and have double the chances of me shutting myself down.

Basically you know that PH's shut you down, and you know that Test can shut you down, so why take both at the same and run a higher risk of getting shut down?

 

[ICEN]

Your missing the point..... the issue is not the level of shut down, fuck care abotu that. its WHATS in your body at this time.... YOUR REPLACEING WHATS LOST! thats HEALTHY to an extent.

got it?

The issue isnt about getting shut down? FUCK IF IT AIN'T you think people like getting shut down? The point is to run the safest cycle possible not double your chances of getting shut down because you want better results or am I wrong here? So you are basically saying who cares about getting shut down its better off getting the most gains possible?

 

[ICEN]

You ppl reply slow as hell

 

[ICEN]

Yes but YOUR REPLACEING IT WITH THE TEST INJECTIONS!
your body will use it the same way.
ONLY Test is the true NEEDED horomone (well one of a couple, but you get my point). the others are alterd forms of test or prog that are givin names. like deca for eg. or EQ.

so when you start say a 500mg ew teste cycle does your body shut down its own?
YES.
but you are taking test so that dosen't matter as much. your libido won't crash, you won't want to sleep all day and feel like crap, among many other things..

Helps?

Ya but youd have to be on roids your whole life, its better not to get shut down in the first place so if you want off your actually have your own test duh you think all people wanna stay on roids there whole life because they messed up their hormone production because people like you are telling people to run both PH and TEST at the same time! Hey its bad enough that PH's can shut you down why not double those chances and add in a TEST!

 

[lifter121]

tnx, but this is what I don't get, people say run test, okay but isn't test still going to shut your natural hormone production down just like a PH, if your getting testosterone your body is still going to stop making testosterone right or wrong?
So why would you run two things that shut down your natty test levels if running one would be better than running two.

Of course running the real deal is much more effective and safer but PH's also do the same thing, although they might not be as effective and have the same sides or less sides they still do what they say they do.

So if both can shut down your test
why would people say run a test base along with PH that doesn't make since in my mind because if ph can shut you down than wouldnt adding test just shut you down even harder or is there something im not getting here?

Im not here to say PHs work better than the real deal Im just trying to understand why would you run two things that shut you down at once? What is the benifit?

Yes both shut you down, but only taking a PH will not replace the testosterone that your body is no longer making. So you take a testosterone base to give your body some testosterone. PH only = No testosterone what so ever, that is not good. PH plus testosterone = testosterone in your system still. You need a PCT regardless of what you are using, PH, just test etc. If you would like to have 0 testosterone in your system then by all means run just a PH.

 

[lifter121]

Ya but youd have to be on roids your whole life, its better not to get shut down in the first place so if you want off your actually have your own test duh you think all people wanna stay on roids there whole life because they messed up their hormone production because people like you are telling people to run both PH and TEST at the same time! Hey its bad enough that PH's can shut you down why not double those chances and add in a TEST!

You can't get shut down worse than 0. A PH will make 0, test will make 0. You can't go negative in test production. This really isn't that tough to understand is it?

 

[lifter121]

Ya but why would you tell someone to run PH with TEST?
If ph is shutting you down by itself
and a test can shut you down
Why would you tell people to run a PH with a test thats double chances of getting shutdown?

Like if I said taking off a tire of your car can cause you to wreck, but then I say hey also while your driving with one tire missing also ride around with your hood wide open, thats double the chances of wrecking.

Shouldnt the answer be, take test instead of PH, not take both at the same time.
If I was taking a ph I surely wouldnt want to add a test and have double the chances of me shutting myself down.

Basically you know that PH's shut you down, and you know that Test can shut you down, so why take both at the same and run a higher risk of getting shut down?

PH and test don't just "can" shut you down. They will 100% shut you down if you take them. The only difference is by taking testosterone, you are replacing what would be missing with only a PH.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Ya but why would you tell someone to run PH with TEST?
If ph is shutting you down by itself
and a test can shut you down
Why would you tell people to run a PH with a test thats double chances of getting shutdown?

Like if I said taking off a tire of your car can cause you to wreck, but then I say hey also while your driving with one tire missing also ride around with your hood wide open, thats double the chances of wrecking.

Shouldnt the answer be, take test instead of PH, not take both at the same time.
If I was taking a ph I surely wouldnt want to add a test and have double the chances of me shutting myself down.

Basically you know that PH's shut you down, and you know that Test can shut you down, so why take both at the same and run a higher risk of getting shut down?

BECAUSE THE TESTOSTERONE SHOTS THAT YOUR TAKING ARE REPLACING WHATS BEING SHUT DOWN AND LOST!!!!!!! THATS THE POINT!! THE FACT YOUR ENDING UP WITH TEST IN YOUR SYSTEM! thats NOT the case when using steroids. your body doesent use the steroids as tesosterone. yoru body WILL use testosterone from an injection AS ITS OWN!
NOT THE LEVEL OF SHUT DOWN. An oral WILL NOT replace whats being lost.
teste shot WOULD, REGARDLESS if it shuts you down or not.

 

[ICEN]

Okay I see your point but wouldn't taking both increase chances of shutting you down harder

 

[juced_porkchop]

Ya but why would you tell someone to run PH with TEST?
If ph is shutting you down by itself
and a test can shut you down
Why would you tell people to run a PH with a test thats double chances of getting shutdown?

Like if I said taking off a tire of your car can cause you to wreck, but then I say hey also while your driving with one tire missing also ride around with your hood wide open, thats double the chances of wrecking.

Shouldnt the answer be, take test instead of PH, not take both at the same time.
If I was taking a ph I surely wouldnt want to add a test and have double the chances of me shutting myself down.

Basically you know that PH's shut you down, and you know that Test can shut you down, so why take both at the same and run a higher risk of getting shut down?

THERE ARE NOT CHANCES, you WILL get shut down and recover after thats what a PCT is for.

why are you not getting this?

How old are you?

 

[ICEN]

So then you are saying that your body will use test from AS as its own and when you stop taking it it will still be there?