PH and Test as a base?

[juced_porkchop]

The issue isnt about getting shut down? FUCK IF IT AIN'T you think people like getting shut down? The point is to run the safest cycle possible not double your chances of getting shut down because you want better results or am I wrong here? So you are basically saying who cares about getting shut down its better off getting the most gains possible?

Your wrong here...

 

[anewguy]

"chances of getting shut down" - Please study more. You don't understand.
"double your chances of wrecking" - You can't make a comparison between things like this. But since you are, let me ask you something: Who the hell gets in a car and drives it with a tire missing? So your comparison is that you think it's better to drive without a tire? Also, driving without a hood is just fine. People used to do that all the time. Actually helps cool everything.

Look bro if you don't want our advice don't ask for it. I do not understand how people come in here and ask for advice with NO EXPERIENCE and then think they know more than we do.

I teach a class at work sometimes. If one of my students tried to correct me or argued like this, I would show him the door. If you are hear to learn then how about you try just that; learn. If you are here to argue, maybe you should at least have a good argument or two.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Ya but youd have to be on roids your whole life, its better not to get shut down in the first place so if you want off your actually have your own test duh you think all people wanna stay on roids there whole life because they messed up their hormone production because people like you are telling people to run both PH and TEST at the same time! Hey its bad enough that PH's can shut you down why not double those chances and add in a TEST!

you dont get it you will always get shut down, then recover AFTER cycle. thats how this works man.
what you are thinking is plain wrong I am sorry. I hope you take SOMETHING away from this thread.

good luck

 

[anewguy]

So then you are saying that your body will use test from AS as its own and when you stop taking it it will still be there?

NO.

come on man really? The AS is TEST. And when you stop taking it, it will be there for a couple weeks (Test e or c) and then you start post cycle therapy (pct) to recover. Instead of going 10 weeks with no test.

 

[ICEN]

You don't always recover 100% after post cycle therapy (pct) if you think that you always recover 100% then you are wrong. PPL take blood work and are not always 100% back at their normal test levels.

 

[juced_porkchop]

So then you are saying that your body will use test from AS as its own and when you stop taking it it will still be there?

Yes IF its IS testosterone. thats what I am trying to get you to understand. it is made EXACLY liek your own, your body would use i like its own and if you did a test at the doc for test levels whuile taking testE shots it would ALSO show up there as your own..
with other steroid this is not so because they are not normally found in our bodies.

Hope that helps

 

[ICEN]

NO.

come on man really? The AS is TEST. And when you stop taking it, it will be there for a couple weeks (Test e or c) and then you start post cycle therapy (pct) to recover. Instead of going 10 weeks with no test.

Point is you don't need test with a PH you can run a PH cycle without a test base and get good results

 

[anewguy]

You don't always recover 100% after post cycle therapy (pct) if you think that you always recover 100% then you are wrong. PPL take blood work and are not always 100% back at their normal test levels.

Wow. You said something that is correct. No one said that you always recover. We can't guarantee any recovery.... No one can.

Stop trying to change the topic so that you can sound like you are correct lol

 

[ICEN]

Yes IF its IS testosterone. thats what I am trying to get you to understand. it is made EXACLY liek your own, your body would use i like its own and if you did a test at the doc for test levels whuile taking testE shots it would ALSO show up there as your own..
with other steroid this is not so because they are not normally found in our bodies.

Hope that helps

Thats what I didnt understand I thought that the AS wont be used as your own I figured it wouldnt be used as your own after you quit

 

[juced_porkchop]

You don't always recover 100% after post cycle therapy (pct) if you think that you always recover 100% then you are wrong. PPL take blood work and are not always 100% back at their normal test levels.

after a while they should. if they have medical issues and dont. using test or not would not make a damin change to the fact they will nto recover.
thats this game bro. dont like it dont do it.
but dont do it stupid thinking you know better because you think the level of shut down DURING a cycle matters for shit. it dont. you do a post cycle therapy (pct) regardless if your smart and if you used test or not, it would not change anything

 

[anewguy]

Point is you don't need test with a PH you can run a PH cycle without a test base and get good results

Enjoy your damn PH cycle I'm out. I'm bout to start actin like Crazy Mike if these kids keep showing up smarter than everyone else around here.

 

[ICEN]

I never said dont run a PCT, I was trying to figure out why you say you MUST RUN PH WITH TEST when I've seen tons and I mean tons of ppl whove ran PH's without test base and had good results.

 

[ICEN]

Thanks bro I will enjoy it and I'ma get some good results too nugahh

 

[juced_porkchop]

Point is you don't need test with a PH you can run a PH cycle without a test base and get good results

Honestly You DON'T know WTF your talking about. your making some bullshit up in your head to ignore the fact going weeks without any testosterone in srystem while on any steoid with out replacing test levels, is VERY unhealthy and will bring more side effects then the steroids half the time!
you want to ignore use to make yourself beleave what your gonna do is smart? then go ahead and live in your lie if that helps you sleep at night. I am DONE here

Your wrong and no oen is goign to agree with you that is over 19 and knwo ANYTHIGN abotu this stuff. dude I have done countless YEARS of research into this 80% of which is not forum BS but medical studies.

you go do what you want to go do.

 

[juced_porkchop]

I never said dont run a PCT, I was trying to figure out why you say you MUST RUN PH WITH TEST when I've seen tons and I mean tons of ppl whove ran PH's without test base and had good results.

I know alot of people who smoke too.....


you want to do it at the cost of your health and feeling like shit? (yes beleve it or not using test with a steroid is BETTER for you than not)


good luck

 

[juced_porkchop]

Enjoy your damn PH cycle I'm out. I'm bout to start actin like Crazy Mike if these kids keep showing up smarter than everyone else around here.

I twhis guy must me like 16 or something to be this hard headed and use excuses like above to make himself right in his own mind. HAHA..

Im out too.


*THREAD CLOSED*


HAHAHA

 

[ICEN]

Hey Well I guess I'm done but anyways What you gonna say when I run a PH without test and get good results and after the cycle nothing happens? What are you gonna say about that? I'm uploading it to youtube once I go on the cycle too, Dude im always right no matter if Im wrong watch once im done ill be fine, ill have the video for you too so you can see with your eye balls

 

[juced_porkchop]

Hey Well I guess I'm done but anyways What you gonna say when I run a PH without test and get good results and after the cycle nothing happens? What are you gonna say about that? I'm uploading it to youtube once I go on the cycle too, Dude im always right no matter if Im wrong watch once im done ill be fine, ill have the video for you too so you can see with your eye balls

Dude you can get results with out test (we are not arguing that) but its unhealthy and most of the time the pro-h because of shutting you down bearly makes up for the "anabolic" effect of the test that is now lost, that you have now shut down. that means you might acually end up LOSING muscle.. on top of this whole thing not beign a good idea.

sure you can do a deca only cycle also. I have but i was young and stupid...
man up and pin or dont jump into this stuff.

k now im done...

 

[ICEN]

 

[ICEN]

You are assuming I'm shutting my self down, the point of post cycle therapy (pct) is to prevent that as much as possible, its not like im not going to post cycle therapy (pct), I'm sure with proper post cycle therapy (pct) that I'm not going to shut myself down if I do drop any its going to be very minor to were it will probably barly effect me at all.
Its not like im running on 10 week cycles, a short cycle isnt going to hurt me that much as long as I post cycle therapy (pct) right and use right.