Pinn or Z?

[mr.spoon]

Your gear was seized, buddy. 80% of all packages coming out of eastern Europe were seized during the time you ordered, due to a government operation which also led to two UGL's being busted....one of which was Oscaro.

After that, Z had to temporarily close shop just so he could catch up on all the re-ships. It was a huge ordeal and put Z (and others) behind for a time. There was nothing we could do about this. Z did the right thing by sacrificing profit in order to more quickly get out existing orders. You saying that Z takes 2 months to deliver, while Pinnacle takes 2 days is highly mis-leading! You need to compare apples to apples if you want it to be accurate

Z's normal delivery time for international gear is about 4 weeks (which is very reasonable), but Z's domestic line, which is NOW open, is only about 7-10 days.

Now, I realize that 7-10 days may not be the fastest out there, but it is still fast. Besides, I don't know many people who would complain about a 7-10 day delivery time.

Regardless, all comparisons to Pinnacle are about to cease, as Z will be using Jelfa raws soon. Pinnacle won't be able to compare in any way. Soon, anyone who does will be laughed at...as comparing UGL gear to Pharm-grade gear (Jelfa) is a bit ridiculous. Even now, Z' gear works very well and the lab work confirms it.

how can you even compare if you never get your shit??lol 2 month? where is my new trackin? plus the 4weeks after when he decides to resend shit is crazy,my season is about to be over i was sup to go in to a competition on june if i sit here and wait for z oh boy so much for that idea, mike even his dom cant compare to pin the quality, price and the shipping time, again ppl im talking from experience, like zeek said find one bad review about pin and pls show it to me.

 

[hard2gain]

I feel as though pinn is getting too big for their own good. You can only get so big before problems start to arise. The same thing happened to spartan. I'm not saying they will go under because I hope they do not. I'm just saying I feel bad for anyone with outstanding orders if they do...

 

[brother bundy]

nuff said

 

[megatron_ed]

I really do not know how anyone can say that Z is better than Pinn or vice versa. I mean, did someone run a test/control study wil enough participants to determine this?

Bottom line - you have time? You want to order from a sponsor who has been around forever and makes good stuff? You want a better bang for your buck? Then Z is your guy.

You need your stuff sooner and are willing to pay more for the gear? Go Pinn.

I've tried both and am happy I did. Btw, service from Pinn is great as it is with Z.

 

[RAPIDOO15]

Pinnacle for the win I have a few friends on the stuff also and i have nothing but good stuff to say about them.....

 

[mlupi319]

1. Z is cheaper
2. Z has an outstanding track record for service (e.g. reshipment policy)
3. Z has great quality (bout to get better)

Thats why I would go with Z. In terms of shipping it's a moot point if you plan ahead, order early, and stock up on supplies.

 

[Zeek]

I feel as though pinn is getting too big for their own good. A domestic can only get so big before problems start to arise. The same thing happened to spartan. I'm not saying they will go under because I hope they do not. I'm just saying I feel bad for anyone with outstanding orders if they do...

You are 100% right brother and that is why when people ask me about a brands quality I will say as of such and such date because I've seen it play out a thousand times. Spartan was spot on with quality and they got too big too fast as you say and BAM!

I just ordered some more of pinns anavar so I can have it put up for future cycles! Yes the stuff is that good!

will it be this good 6 months from now, I dunno but wasn't chancing it. I will say that pinnacle being owned by the raw manufacturer goes a long way in it's quality being so good. It is obvious pac-man keeps the best raws for his own line and then sells the rest to other UGL's and home brewers and what not. This is what interested me enough to try them

Once z switches to Jelfa raws I will be all over trying that also since I love elfa products so much to start with.

1. Z is cheaper
2. Z has an outstanding track record for service (e.g. reshipment policy)
3. Z has great quality (bout to get better)

Thats why I would go with Z. In terms of shipping it's a moot point if you plan ahead, order early, and stock up on supplies.

Have you tried both brands?

seriously anyone answering questions in this thread who has not actually used both brands, well your feed back is no good to compare one with the other.

Now if you have only used one of the brands feel free to express what you think on a brand but it is impossible for you to say one over the other.

I am not being a dick here just stating truth and I'm having some fun playing devils advocate

this goes for everyone. if you tried pinn but not z it isn't fair to say one is better and works the other way around too.

 

[anewguy]

Well I can't speak for Pinn yet... I will be able to soon though. And I have only ran one cycle, so don't have much to compare with...

I ran the EP line test e and had pretty good results. All in all, I ate well, worked out very hard and all the time. Saw good results everywhere except for the scale.

 

[Zeek]

Your feedback is what guys should be paying attention to, recently tried one brand and now are about to try the other.

I look forward to your feedback and so does my little black book!

 

[mlupi319]

No, I have not tried both brands but only one of my comments was a relative comparison which was Z is cheaper. Other than that, I know from experience Z has quality gear and exceptional service, not saying that pin doesn't...well I'm just saying


But I agree with Zeek we shouldn't let our preferential bias change others' decisions. +1 to Zeek for facilitating an equitable discussion.

 

[Zeek]

I fully support Z and his team mainly because they support my home board and that counts for a lot with me

I don't like to see z bashed because I've been on and off dealing with him for at least 5-6 years now. His team is a group of really decent guys also

Get the Jelfa raws in place and show me a GH test on the current stuff by an avg joe member showing a reading of 30 or better and I will put my money where my mouth is and support the source who supports my home board!

I think that is one important thing we should all take into consideration when ordering also.

think

Quality first

take into consideration if they support your own home board 2nd

price 3rd

customer service 4th

sorry guys I will deal with a little shit to get the best stuff and am currently dealing with some bad customer service to get some really bangin gh lol

this ha snothing to do with pinn or z since their customer service is A+

 

[mr.spoon]

You are 100% right brother and that is why when people ask me about a brands quality I will say as of such and such date because I've seen it play out a thousand times. Spartan was spot on with quality and they got too big too fast as you say and BAM!

I just ordered some more of pinns anavar so I can have it put up for future cycles! Yes the stuff is that good!

will it be this good 6 months from now, I dunno but wasn't chancing it. I will say that pinnacle being owned by the raw manufacturer goes a long way in it's quality being so good. It is obvious pac-man keeps the best raws for his own line and then sells the rest to other UGL's and home brewers and what not. This is what interested me enough to try them

Once z switches to Jelfa raws I will be all over trying that also since I love elfa products so much to start with.



Have you tried both brands?

seriously anyone answering questions in this thread who has not actually used both brands, well your feed back is no good to compare one with the other.

Now if you have only used one of the brands feel free to express what you think on a brand but it is impossible for you to say one over the other.

I am not being a dick here just stating truth and I'm having some fun playing devils advocate

this goes for everyone. if you tried pinn but not z it isn't fair to say one is better and works the other way around too.

same here zeek but im goin crazy emailin him to change it cause i just notice they added mast and primo i just wet my pants i want it

 

[Zeek]

same here zeek but im goin crazy emailin him to change it cause i just notice they added mast and primo i just wet my pants i want it

Are you kidding me? they added the primo already!!

time to go raid the kids piggy banks because I just have to try it!

I'll craigs list every bit of fitness equipment I have in the garage collecting dust to get in pac-mans primo. This is based off his anavar, when that is good the primo usually is too!

 

[builtbeast]

I'd go with Pinn right now. When Z does start using Jelfa then it might be a different story. But Jelfa also gave a lot of PIP so I wonder if Z's formulation will alleviate this.

 

[JOMO718]

Using pins prop currently and have nothing but great results. Great customer service, excellent arrival time and as everyone else has said, have not seen one bad review.I will be going with our uncle some time down the road cause I already have enough for my next cycle also. If you can wait I would hold off till the jelfa raws are implemented. Or pin now, and stock z's later.

I have to get on that Anavar (var) too like Zeek is doing just by his reviews alone.Throw those into my next cycle down the line.

 

[mr.spoon]

Are you kidding me? they added the primo already!!

time to go raid the kids piggy banks because I just have to try it!

I'll craigs list every bit of fitness equipment I have in the garage collecting dust to get in pac-mans primo. This is based off his anavar, when that is good the primo usually is too!

LOL YES SIR MY TAXES CAME JUST IN TIME PAC-MAN!!

 

[Zeek]

Some guy keeps taking all of my money! a got recent pic of the guy so let me know if you see him around

 

[mr.spoon]

some guy keeps taking all of my money! A got recent pic of the guy so let me know if you see him around

lmaooooo

 

[Repo]

A lot of great feedback people...

It's nice to see some honest experience from the members!

Anyone who knows me - understands I will never talk down to any source that I have not personally had experience ... "not ever."

Hearsay is hearsay people - so please make sure you explain this if you are posting anything based on something you've ever heard!

This is very important and I can't emphasize this enough!!!

For the new guys here...

I started out like you - simply looking for advise and had no idea who Z was ... "not at all."

After reading soooo many reviews - I came to the understanding I could trust him - and his business.

From my very 1st order - I've been posting my honest feedback based on each order as a way to contribute to the forum...

... " and hmm, go figure - eventually I started to chat with Z and have sense become good friends with him."

I tell ya what guys - he's just like you, me ... "and all of us here."

A down-to-earth guy - doing his absolute best - to make your products - "second to none."

He (Z) might not admit this ... "but I will."

He BUSTS his balls - to make the baddest (bad ass) products you can get your hands on ... "it's as simple as that."

Z will always get my vote!

 

[anewguy]

Quotation marks are not for emphasis.

Haha just kidding repo. I appreciate your honesty