Popular UGL - Under-dosed batch??

I know its always going to be a gable out there no matter where you get the gear from.. Like I said I'm not out there looking to bash on anyone, I'm just reaching out to see if there are others out there with the same gear having similar problems. I'm not going to contact Z because this has probably happened with every source out there. Oh well I lost a few hundred dollars on some weak gear. I'll eat it, take my 12 weeks off, and pick up some new gear from a new source and try again. I think from now on I'm only ordering domestic and ordering from two different sources at once.
 
The only true way to know is do Blood work pin 300mg a week for 4 weeks wait 7 days from last pin and draw blood and check your levels. That protocal has been tested by outsides labs for pharm grade.
 
makes me laugh. the guys who get to test his gear. lol of course they come back as awesome. just saying.
 
gtpimp said:
I know its always going to be a gable out there no matter where you get the gear from.. Like I said I'm not out there looking to bash on anyone, I'm just reaching out to see if there are others out there with the same gear having similar problems. I'm not going to contact Z because this has probably happened with every source out there. Oh well I lost a few hundred dollars on some weak gear. I'll eat it, take my 12 weeks off, and pick up some new gear from a new source and try again. I think from now on I'm only ordering domestic and ordering from two different sources at once.
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quit being such a bitch man honestly. Listen if you're willing to take a few hundred loss why dont you just spend 50 fucking dollars go to privatemdlabs.com and get the fucking blood test. when your test levels come back in the normal or below range contact a z rep and im sure they'll fix the problem. It sucks that this is happening and coming from z but this is what people need to do, it's simple. z has been known to make mistakes but he has also been known to fix them. get bloods and prove it's his gear and not YOU and contact a rep. problem solved.
 
hard2gain said:
Are you saying you think he's sending out stuff from a diff batch or that it won't be done properly?
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he's saying that z will make damn sure the people involved in this public test on his test are getting highly dosed or atleast appropriately dosed gear. there would be no "mistake" with the batch they receive especially being there is a public thread following their results.
 
I see where you're coming from GT, you feel as though you first cycle didn't go as you'd hoped. You're not trying to bash but intentional or not you're making accusations with no proof.

Lets put it this way, what if your boss came up to you tomorrow and was going to put you on a written reprimand because he felt that you didn't get enough done today so you must have came in late. He had no proof that you came in late but felt like you had to of. Wouldn't you want him to find that proof first? And even better yet give you a chance to make it right by staying late or something?

Z is the 1% when it comes to sources. Idk if you're batch was underdosed or not but shit happens and if it was I'm sure he would go out of his way to make it right. It's only $50 please go get your blood tests it will work out better for everyone in the end.
 
3D Separation said:
he's saying that z will make damn sure the people involved in this public test on his test are getting highly dosed or atleast appropriately dosed gear. there would be no "mistake" with the batch they receive especially being there is a public thread following their results.
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Well I was the one chosen for this so I will be sure to post the batch number to make sure I'm getting the same stuff as the rest of you. I'm pretty sure it's Zline and not the Euro pharm though. I just got off a cycle of all euro pharm gear and loved it though!

I am by no means a Z rep btw! I support Z because he supports us and our community. He holds contests with prizes and sponsors boards like the one we're on. I've ordered from many other sources and have been let down several times. But with Z I have not, every order has came when I expected it and every cycle has turned out like I wanted.
 
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hard2gain said:
Well I was the one chosen for this so I will be sure to post the batch number to make sure I'm getting the same stuff as the rest of you. I'm pretty sure it's Zline and not the Euro pharm though. I just got off a cycle of all euro pharm gear and loved it though!

I am by no means a Z rep btw! I support Z because he supports us and our community. He holds contests with prizes and sponsors boards like the one we're on. I've ordered from many other sources and have been let down several times. But with Z I have not, every order has came when I expected it and every cycle has turned out like I wanted.
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i know you're not a rep for him i been around lol. and yea the testing is being done with zline. i have ordered from z before as well however i have not used his gear and have no personal experience on it. i haven't even cycled yet. i was telling op to get tested and contact a z rep if the test results are less then acceptable and it will most likely be rectified. As i stated Z has had many problems and mistakes but he has also rectified many problems and fixed many mistakes and seems to be a very good source to have comparatively speaking as to what else can be found out there if you don't really understand this world we dabble in.
 
gtpimp said:
I've spoken to Mike Arnold and he tells me that others have been having the same issues with this product so I'm just trying to find out if its a totally trashed batch or just under-dosed.
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My apologies for the long-ass post, although some my find it useful




Just like I have said to the others who have openly posted, about this...the best thing anyone can do in these circumstances is get blood work. It woukld solve every problem. But...do you know how many people have actually gotten blood work?

ZERO!

In saying this, I am not disputing anyone's claims denying, nor anyone's experiences. I can only go based on what I know....and what do I know about Z's Test enth? THis is what I know.


I know that 6 months ago everuone was loving it and we had several guys get blood work while using it. Many thought it may have been ovedosed because their blood levels came back as high or higher than with an equivalent prescription pharm grade product. Not a single person complained from that batch...we got only compliments. I used it to and loved it.

Evereything continued going along very well until just recently (like the last month or so), which is when I started seeing a few people post these type of questions in the open forums. A few more were through PM.

During this time, we also had a much greater percentage of people who were very happy with the same exact product. Still, when people start complaining...we take alook to see what might be going on, just like when Z addressed (and fixed) the issue of painful injects a few months back with a particular test ester.

Let me break away to another top I want to address batch quality and also how we handle customer complaints. Here's the flat out truth regarding UGL gear, that pretty much everyone already knows, but which sometimes tends to get forgotten when conversations like this come up. First of all, Z goes to great lengths to ensure he gets good quality gear and when a particular item tends to be disputable, such as GH, Z even goes as far as posting the actual lab results before he even sells it. He wants people to know what is going on. He wants them to know so he can be trusted. Reardless of what the results are...he posts them...good or bad...he posts them for all to see. Many UGL's don't do this, but Z does.

When it comes top something like testosterone, it is much less likely to be shit than someting like GH would be. Even then, Z still routinely tests a large percentage of what he recieves from the manufacturer. If anyone tells you that ANY UGL tests every single batch of every single item they sell...they lie...period. Z does a much better job than most companies when it comes to product testing. However, it is possible...for ANY UGL...for a bad batch to slip through...or even a partial bad batch to slip through. When it comes to Test enth, it is so easy and inexpensive to manufacture, that Test is usually real and dosed pretty well...with most companies.

So, while Z's Test enth has had a great reputation for a long time, it doesn't mean that a mistake isn't possible. I am not saying there is anything wrong with it...I don't know. In cases where mistakes are made (which are rare and why Z generally has a very good reputation), Z will always correct his mistakes and do right by the customer.

However (please try to see things from my perspective here for a minute), as you guys know, there are even more "customers" trying to scam UGL's than there are UGL's trying to scam customers. You know how many times people will lie to try and get free gear...happens many times every day. there isn't a single UGL who hasn't had this happen regularly. Some people will say just about anything to get free gear, even absurd things. Because of this, UGL's need to be careful just like you guys need to be careful. If every single time someone demanded new gear from a UGL, regardless of their reason, and the UGL just caved in and sent them a whole new order without ever having any indication that what they were saying was true...that UGL would lose a massive amount of money, if not go out of business because soon, 50% of the people placing orders would be trying to scam free shit on a regular basis.

So, while we are MORE than willing to correct any errors on our part, we generally try to make sure the complaint is legitimate first. This is why we usually ask for blood work, if possible, as lab results are indisputable (assuming they're real). When the blood work comes back...we have answers. No guessing is involved. Out of this last batch of Test E, the number of people complaining was pretty small (relative to the number of customers who bought this same product and were satisfied). This leads me to belive only one thing at this point (and what I am about to say does NOT represent Z's thoughts on the matter, they're purely my own)...and that is that assuming these complaints are valid, then it is very likely just a partial batch that was bad. I personally know many people who bought from the same batch and are getting good results, plus all the typical Test side effects. If the entire batch was bad, we would have mass complaints and NO ONE would be saying it's good, especially experienced AAS users.

We DO have a new Test E order in right now, which we are doing testing on to "make sure" all is good...and not just 1-2 people are testing it...we have at least 10 people performing tests on it...and some results will be posted here. Hell, I could post every result if you like.

So, I guess there is two things I want to finish with. One...we DO care about our customers and go to great lengths to try and make sure everyone gets a fair deal. If anyone out there, even someone who has insurance and only has to pay $10-15 for a lab test, can go get a test and show it to us, that would helpa lot. WE can't test the old batch of Test E that the customers alrerady have, but we will look at their lab results and if they deserve a replacement order, they will get it.

Also, I would ask that anyone who has been ordering through Z with good experiences, but who just recently bought what they cosnider to be a bad vial(s) of Test enth, please allow us to correct the problem and keep your business, as I am confident the overwhelming majority of your experiences will be positive...and if you do ever have a less than poitive one, we will correct it. Thanks.
 
Euro pharmacy is high quality gear.I know tons of ppl with blood test on the gear on other boards.If you run gear, and diet and training are not on par then you will see minimal results.There are a lot of factors that come into play before you shout gear is under-dosed.Could possibly be a bad batch but wouldn't question it until I seen your blood results.
 
some of you guys don't seem to get it. instead of going through all the hassles waiting for one source to "make things right" that he made wrong to begin with.... some people would just prefer to shop elsewhere next time and avoid the hassles altogether. a friend of mine had this same issue with some EP stuff. he got bloods every 6 weeks for months, switching gear each time and running 250mg/week.

he didn't bother contacting anyone about it because he didn't care. they are aware of the issue. you think a lab needs people to come back and show them bloods for them to know that something is getting underdosed?

he had 3 other labs that the test showed consistency with, so he knows where he will and won't take his money in the future, and used that to base all of his current and future referrals off of.

some people want to avoid problems, not have them, then go through hassles to get them fixed, only to end up having them again. yes, there is a risk anywhere, but with so many people performing well consistently there just really isn't any point to putting up with bs.

i'm not really talking about z specifically here, just the attitude in general that guys often have when something shitty happens. with some sources i hear more talk about how they are great because they make everything right, than about how they are great because they are great and don't have to make things right. know what i mean?
 
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gtpimp said:
I know its always going to be a gable out there no matter where you get the gear from.. Like I said I'm not out there looking to bash on anyone, I'm just reaching out to see if there are others out there with the same gear having similar problems. I'm not going to contact Z because this has probably happened with every source out there. Oh well I lost a few hundred dollars on some weak gear. I'll eat it, take my 12 weeks off, and pick up some new gear from a new source and try again. I think from now on I'm only ordering domestic and ordering from two different sources at once.[/QUOTE

If you want to check asmi said and someone else get blood drawn send to labcorp for test. 50.00 to have done.

Need to follow proper protocol to test though to get valid results.
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3D Separation said:
quit being such a bitch man honestly. Listen if you're willing to take a few hundred loss why dont you just spend 50 fucking dollars go to privatemdlabs.com and get the fucking blood test. when your test levels come back in the normal or below range contact a z rep and im sure they'll fix the problem. It sucks that this is happening and coming from z but this is what people need to do, it's simple. z has been known to make mistakes but he has also been known to fix them. get bloods and prove it's his gear and not YOU and contact a rep. problem solved.
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Listen guy, for one I live in NY and privatemdlabs does nothing for me. Two the closest labcorp is an hour away. This will be way too time consuming for me to get that done get the results back and then come up with a resolution with Z. Like I said I dont want Z do have to deal with this at all! I'm just wondering if anybody knows how weak this stuff is so i can adjust my doses accordingly!!!
 
gtpimp said:
Listen guy, for one I live in NY and privatemdlabs does nothing for me. Two the closest labcorp is an hour away. This will be way too time consuming for me to get that done get the results back and then come up with a resolution with Z. Like I said I dont want Z do have to deal with this at all! I'm just wondering if anybody knows how weak this stuff is so i can adjust my doses accordingly!!!
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Everything I have did from z was not underdosed, so I have no advise for you but go toma doctor and get blood work!
 
gtpimp said:
Listen guy, for one I live in NY and privatemdlabs does nothing for me. Two the closest labcorp is an hour away. This will be way too time consuming for me to get that done get the results back and then come up with a resolution with Z. Like I said I dont want Z do have to deal with this at all! I'm just wondering if anybody knows how weak this stuff is so i can adjust my doses accordingly!!!
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I'm running e-p test e on a cruise after I ran another sources test e on my blast.I'm shooting 250mg every 10-days and haven't crashed whatsoever.My libido is still high and still holding gains.I think it's something your doing wrong.Js
 
vannesb said:
Everything I have did from z was not underdosed, so I have no advise for you but go toma doctor and get blood work!
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just order up some new stuff from somewhere else and switch over and see what you think. if you're going elsewhere next time anyway that makes the most sense to me. instead of trying to guess at the dosage.
 
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