some of you guys don't seem to get it. instead of going through all the hassles waiting for one source to "make things right" that he made wrong to begin with.... some people would just prefer to shop elsewhere next time and avoid the hassles altogether. a friend of mine had this same issue with some EP stuff. he got bloods every 6 weeks for months, switching gear each time and running 250mg/week. Hhe didn't bother ontacting anyone about it because he didn't care.
Now, I have been MORE than reasonable in listening to any concerns that were presented, but I will call bullshit when I see it.
First of all, there is ZERO proof there is a dman thing wrong with that batch...and with the MANY more people loving it and a SMALL amount of people complaining, it is more likely that it is fine.
Second, you say "your friend" (ironically he's not here to post) got EP test and had the same issues, YET he "didn't say say anyting about it to anyone because he didnt care"...your quote. LOL at that bullshit. So, he spends his own money on gear, thinks it's shit, yet doesn't care? Hmmm??? Since when does someone not "care" when they get ripped off? I'll tell you what happens when someone is "sure" they got scammed...they contact the seller, usually respectfully (because they want the problem fixed) and relay their issues to the seller in hopes of correcting the problem.
This brings me to my next issue, which is what customers do NOT do when they get bunk gear. In almost all cases, when a customer gets bad gear and cares enough to post about it, he almost always goes to the UGL first and tells them about it. He does NOT go straight to the boards and start bashing the fuck out of a UGL by opeing multiple threads saying the exact same thing, while continuing to post the same shit in every other thread he can. You know what that is called? It's not called a customer who wants things made right...it's called a paid employee of a smear campaign, who is trying to discredit their competition in any way they can. This goes on all the time. You've already tried to discredit Z multiple times in the most important ways, yet you're not even a customer! You have a lot of very noticable anger towards a UGL with a good reputation, as well as someone you've never even bought from, don't ya' think?
they are aware of the issue. you think a lab needs people to come back and show them bloods for them to know that something is getting underdosed?
When the batch is gone, yes..we do. Remember, a VERY small amount of people have complained and the more we look at it, the more we see it is coming from the same few people (mostly) and none of them have actually contacted Z to express their concerns (everyone else complaining is simply repeating what those few guys have said, they have not had bad experiences themslves)...they went right to the boards and repeatedly bashed him. That is enough to make anyone scratch their head and raise a few questions. I am NOT discounting any genuine concerns, but we have been looking into this a lot the last few days and it appears there is more than meets the eye regarding several of these "complaints". .
he had 3 other labs that the test showed consistency with, so he knows where he will and won't take his money in the future, and used that to base all of his current and future referrals off of.
Pretty harsh over a disputable issue which has so few complaints, don't ya' think? Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the UGL's you recommend NEVER have any issues at all. I bet their GH is over-dosed every month too...and no one has ever had a problem with their gear. LOL.
some people want to avoid problems, not have them, then go through hassles to get them fixed, only to end up having them again. yes, there is a risk anywhere, but with so many people performing well consistently there just really isn't any point to putting up with bs.
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Another paid emplyee of the most recent smear campaign. Much Bullshit in this comment, as Z is well known to be a reliable seller....better than most. Yes, problems can occur anywhere, but you're basically saying Z is worse than all other UGLs...LOL. Your anger is apparent...and you didn't even buy any gear! I hope you like your paycheck.
i'm not really talking about z specifically here
Sure you are...it's exactly what your talking about.
, just the attitude in general that guys often have when something shitty happens.
More bullshit! Again, Z is WELL-KNOWN everywhere to deal with situations VERY well and is always willing to correct any issues, IF they present themselves. If you're going to call us out for being worse than other UGLs when it comes to dealing with problems, that is a lie...another one.
with some sources i hear more talk about how they are great because they make everything right, than about how they are great because they are great and don't have to make things right. know what i mean?
LOL...this post screams ignorance. If you knew anything about Z or UGL's in general, you would know that not only does Z have a good rep for quality gear, but he has better quality control than the MAJORITY! On top of that, Z is one of the FEW UGL's to actually post lab results on products like GH, BEFORE they even sell it!
Take your bullshit elsewhere. LOL at your stupidity in saying people should take their business where there is "no" problems. HAHA. How many people recently have bought fake GH from MANY UGL's? Hmm? Exactly. How many UGL's are actually showing their lab numbers pre-sale? How many regularly conduct testing on various products to ensure product quality? How many will re-send orders repeatedly when an order is seized multiple times...or just doesn't show up? How many UGL's have a loyal following like Z because of the way he conducts buisiness?
Now, I am a pretty laid back guy and will not anger quickly, but when I percieve that someone is unjustly attacking Z, I get pissed. Your attacks are un-called for. Your flat-out direct inferences that people should stop using Z because basically all other UGL's are so much more reliable is a fucking lie! There was so much ignorance in your post I can't even address it all because of the sheer volume of typing I would have to do...BUT, what really catches my eye is that you JUST started posting here...your recent posts are attack posts...you have such anger towards Z when you never even ordered from him...you say your buddy has recieved bad EP Test, but you say he never said anything about it because he didn't "care" that he suppoosedly got ripped off (yeah, right). Your post looks to have a blatant agenda for numerous reasons...and anyone who has been around a while can see it. If you don't, you're pretty damn ignorant because a LOT of what you said was pure hogshit.
