Post Finasteride - Testicular Atrophy / Sensitive Nipples small lumps Need HELP

[Sobot]

Hi there, i ve written a lot in the forum about this issue basically because i want all the help needed and also because i cannot PM certain individuals to ask for immediate help. I ask the mods to give me the right to PM i don't know why this is still forbiden.

What is going on now.

Used finasteride 7 years ago for a month.

Cut it due to libido issues and drop in testicle size.

First two years had no libido
Next 3 years adrenal issues (fatigue, hypoglycemia, headaches, muscle inflammations)

Now the last 6 months are the worst because i have continuous testicular atrophy. It started slowly and lately its progressing rapidly every 3-4 days. Down to less than 1/4 of original size.

Tests show

estradiol 54 ng/dl (<30 )
estrone 55 mg/dl (10-40 )
progesterone 1.4 mg/dl (0.1-1)
testosterone 550 mg/dl
androstanediol glucuronide 1.28 ng/dl (3.3-18)


I have low T to Dht conversion rate (very low actually) and very high aromatase activity.

My problem is i need to find a way to stop the testicular atrophy and control the nipple sensitivity and small lumps that are starting to build up.

I started using aromasin again 12.5 mg ED but i don't know if i should rapidly incorporate some dostinex because i don't know if progesterone is more of a problem here or is it only estrogen. I don't have recent prolactin measurements but they where always on the highest normal range when i measured them.

Apart from that i guess that i have high prolactin because i feel numb penis, no sensitivity to genitals and VERY little orgasm lately when i ejaculate.

Pls let me know what to do. Is it better to go aromasin + dostinex (and at what dose of dostinex) or try letro ??

I need something to give me the fastest clue of being on the right track. That is drop the rate of testicular shrinkage or even reverse it somehow.

I reckon that my prolactin raises and stays high everytime i have sex, i ve seen this happen as i don't feel any orgasm afterwards and later on my testicular atrophy continuous at a more rapid rate.

Also another thing i noticed is that when i used aromasin 12.5 mg i saw more estrogenic sides. Ithought at that time that estrogen was not the reason behind my issues at all, but i read HUMDiDDly's report that when you see estrogenic sides on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you need to try to raise the dose.

Pls advice, i will be travelling all the way to Sweden in a couple of days to see an andrologist in the university of Stockholm and i would definately want to avoid that, but i have been desperate for 6 months with no treatment till today. I doubt that this person will have more experience than practical bodybuilders and AAS users anyways.

So is it aromasin + dostinex (no clue on dosages) or just letro to see results???

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and pls let me PM some people i have been a psychological mess, even went to freeze my sperm this week since i don't know how long i will be fertile for the way things are going

 

[avangel]

wow, that sux my friend. How old are you? I've been reading a lot lately on finesteride. I used it for about a year and a half but packed it in late this summer. (not because of any sides or problems with it, just more for long term related)

I'm sure you've been through countless tests obviously. And everything points to you're use of finesteride for 1 month? Truly wish you the best.

Sorry cant offer you any advice on your questions but I'm sure someone else can.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Letro....

 

[B-BOI]

You used fina for 1 month and have all these problems ? I find it really hard to believe and any doctor would agree. Dude this was 7 years ago and you only took it for 30 days.

There is no doubt there are some problems there but don't blame it on something you took 7 years ago.

 

[Sobot]

Yeah, 1 month. Same issues since then with a bit ups and downs. Always high estrogen high prolactin high progesterone low 5-ar II activity.

I m not the only one. Probably few thousands are in the same boat or more.

I stopped loosing hair after 1 month of fin completely.

I also started getting testicle atrophy, initially at a small rate but big atrophy, then fast rate smaller atrophy. The more sex i have the more atrophy i get, i ve measured prolactin levels after sex its always high. It just don't get down for weeks after wards.

Also after sex i get more nipple sensitivity. Its like all the 5-ar II activity is wiped out. Only aromatase works in me now. Nothing else. It converts most test to estrogen.

I have 54 mg/dl of estradiol, 55 ng/dl of estrone and shbg of 18. Doctors reckon that free estrogen is super high and it is not blocked by dht since i cant covert to it.

All people after fin share similar symptoms some worse some with less severity.

I can't stop this i am on aromasin again and probably will add some dostinex soon.

Off to sweden now to consult with another doc. Spent tens of thousands of euros allready on test, doc visits and supplements and going after this company for sure. Its ruined my life for good

 

[avangel]

good luck in sweden man. Honestly what ever the problem is I don't believe people on here are going to be able to help anyway, just sounds way too extreme. get youself the best professional advice available, which i'm sure you have and are doing.

 

[Dbol7]

Damn that sucks. I remember way back when I got small signs of hairloss I panicked and ran to the doctor. He gave me Finastride as well but I ended up not taking it after reading the possible side effects. They made it sound like this will turn you into a woman.
So I don't know if you're gonna be successfull suing the company, they mentioned all these side effects. But you might be able to go after the doc who gave it to you.

I hope you get the help you need. Have you considered permanent hormone replacement therapy? Is that even an option?

 

[B-BOI]

Not to be a dick but I see no scientific backing to the problems your having now 7 years later. Everything you say can happen in a very small percentage of people but once stopped and the fina clears your system everything goes back to normal.

Going after a multi-billion dollar pharma company won't do squat for you.

Number one there is no scientific backing to what your saying when fina is discontinued.

Two no doctor will back you on that for the same reason as above.

Basically you have no case.

Well good luck anyways.

and yes I'am on finasteride myself.

 

[welshman!]

That not exactly true, side's off fina dont get better after discontinuation from what ive read. I have been using it for a about two months and the doc told me of no side effects when he gave it to me. I did a bit of research a few weeks ago after reading a post on here and its a massive problem, there's alot of men in your position. I stopped when i read some of the problems people were dealing with, since then ive noticed a change in my semen, but thats the only thing so far, its been about two weeks since stopping.

 

[B-BOI]

That not exactly true, side's off fina dont get better after discontinuation from what ive read. I have been using it for a about two months and the doc told me of no side effects when he gave it to me. I did a bit of research a few weeks ago after reading a post on here and its a massive problem, there's alot of men in your position. I stopped when i read some of the problems people were dealing with, since then ive noticed a change in my semen, but thats the only thing so far, its been about two weeks since stopping.

Show me the studies ? Real scientific studies not some random we hate finasteride forum post with a bunch of fat bald fucks that have other health issues and are quick to blame fina.

I've read all those posts on anti-finasteride forums. I haven't read any studies that prove after discontinuation sides still persist or in OP's case get worse.

There is no doubt that fina has sides in a very small percentage group but saying that your still having problems 7 years later (years after fina has left your system) is bollox.

I'll shut up if studies are shown I can't find any info on it though so please enlighten me.

OP I do feel for you bro and I hope you get this resolved but I'm a person that likes to see facts.

A good endocrinologist should get you sorted out in no time though.

 

[USAF]

wow, that sux my friend. How old are you? I've been reading a lot lately on finesteride. I used it for about a year and a half but packed it in late this summer. (not because of any sides or problems with it, just more for long term related)

I'm sure you've been through countless tests obviously. And everything points to you're use of finesteride for 1 month? Truly wish you the best.

Sorry cant offer you any advice on your questions but I'm sure someone else can.

did you see any actual growth from it though?

 

[Sobot]

Man what studies?? I ve been a med student, you wanna know how we did studies in the universities i attended?

you must be really out of this world if you thing that a drug like fina cannot do damage like what i have.

apart from that i have tests from day 1 up to now. It is clearly damage from the drug. My prolactin went off the charts whilst on the drug. My estradiol too. Testo started dropping through the years.

I had 2 years of no libido nothing zero, couldnt get an erection balls where aching, dick was small and soft.

my hair stopped falling after finasteride use. for good. I dont need a hair transplant anymore

i dont get any sweat in my armpits. no smell like before nothing. i don't feel like a man

after the libido side effects i started developing metabolic issues.

testicular shrinkage kept going on albeit slowly

lately its been rapidly happening.

there is no serious doc that doubted me. only idiots or people who made money out of fin.

professors and endocrinologists who respected them selves realised what is going on without a matter of doubt.

some wacko urologists and dermatologists said it could be possible but highly unlikely

they though confused dhea with dht. thats how much knowledge they have

so the drug label never said that there would be post usage side effects. or testicular shrinkage or a myriad of other symptoms otherwise iwouldn;t have taken it

and sweden is the first country that put the irreversible side effects label on the box. IRREVERSIBLE SEXUAL SIDE EFFECTS.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

sobot-if you want to attempt to restart your HPTA see my last post in this thread. If this protocol does not work I would bet you need TRT

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/594076-help-pct-advice.html

 

[B-BOI]

Man what studies??

my hair stopped falling after finasteride use. for good. I dont need a hair transplant anymore

IRREVERSIBLE SEXUAL SIDE EFFECTS.

Dude number one it takes 3 months for fina to have any effects on hair loss. Once stopped within a few months (up to a year depending on how log you were on it) hair loss will resume. Using it for 30 days will not stop hair loss permanently as their is no more medication in your system to stop DHT conversion.

I guess the pharma companies have found the only drug in the world that stays in you body permanently.

Here's what I think. You had an underlying problem already and now as your getting older it's getting worse and doctors have no real answers for you. What's the first thing you do ? You have to find an answer so you search around the internet find some propaganda sites about fina read all the crap and feel satisfied with that answer.

My point is none of what your saying has been proven at all. This is like me coming on to the site and saying I took 10 dbols 8 years ago and now I need a liver transplant.

I know about the permanent sexual deficiencies that can occur in less than 1% of people but that's erectile disfunction. That's what viagra or cialis is for.

All I'm saying is if your going to make such claims be prepared for someone to challenge you on it. Bring prof to the table in the form of studies.

Read the article that the-det-oak posted there's some good info on there.

Like I said hope you get it all sorted.

 

[Sobot]

B-boy maybe you don't know what dht is needed for in your body. Lack of dht causes atrophy of testicles, seminal vesicles, atrophy of parts of prostate, bulbourethral glands etc etc... It causes apoptosis of hundreds of proteins needed for feeding and sustaining immunity in those tissues. The damage is some times reversible but really experienced medics say it is irreversible its just the extend is unknown. Finasteride has also been used as a chemotherapeutic agent and it is for this reason that it can downregulate the enzyme and the androgen receptor at the same time. Its actions are still a mystery for many. It also blocks several other processes in the adrenals and pituitary. I got adrenal issues a few months after of the drug.

There's like tons of studies on this.

Plus you don't need more than 2-3 weeks or on propecia to see results. Some offcourse may see after 6 months. But many have seen both results and side effects right away. Its also a genetic issue but as a rule an antiadrogen will bring results unless the person using it is not human. Results have to do with the strength of 5-ar II enzyme reproduction. I got mine results within a week. Once however the enzyme is severely depleted there's a myriad issues going on your homeostasis and multiple hormones affected. The body tries to rebalance but it fails in many times.

I don't blame everything on finasteride, i blame the testicular atrophy and inflammation which is recorded in many people and the libido side effects. Noone denies that.

Doctors who really know now, do not prescirbe finasteride without a good amount of testosterone in the first place. On its own fina will lead to loss of androgenic properties. That's its goal, no matter if it is defined as a hair loss drug.

It is an antiadrogen steroid derivative. Nothing more or less.

Who said that the drug hasn't left my system?? The damage is permanent not the drug. The enzyme got downregulated period. I have tests to prove it. How can i have issues at 23 when i don't even know anything but sex and good stress free-life?? I got them once i got on the drug. I started to have weird ejaculation, very watery, pains in my testicles, pains in my penis, inflammations around prostate without having any microbes in there.

I was today at the microbiology department gave sperm sample and docs where looking at my sperm for half an hour trying to understand what sort of aseptic inflammation could that be. They said its the weirdest issue they have ever seen.

 

[avangel]

just curious, how old are you?

 

[Colin297]

B-BOI why are you involving yourself in stuff you have no idea about?

If you had an active interest in the many thousands of people reports "Post Finasteride Syndrome" (myself included) you would have did your reading and not embarrassed yourself. Its out there if you wish to check out.

Most of the people reporting bad sides are far from "fat bald fucks", instead, most of them are (or were) young, fully healthy individuals.

And are you fucking serious about the hair loss? There is guys who have had agressive hairloss and then suddeny BAM, no hairloss ever again. Many have developed secondary hypogonadism or have other fucked up bloods (plenty have base levels!!!). I think you need to pipe down and stick to talking about things you know about.


"Good luck finding an endo who will believe you?"

Really? I mean really?

Dr Jabobs, Dr Irwig, Dr Crisler, Dr Shippin, Dr Goldstein are all deep into this stuff with many hundreds of patients.

 

[avangel]

so am i right in saying you're 30 now?

 

[avangel]

serious stuff.

now I would say your case is very rare if caused from the finesteride. I'm not saying it isn't.

I wonder if 23 my be a little young still for someone, a lot of changes occur very close up to that age.
That is kind of an age that some future problems may just be starting to show up too, i dont know man just throwing thing out there I by no means are a doctor.lol

With that be said i was on propecia for about a year and a half but gave it up last september. I really didn't have any sides that I noticed. Maybe my loads are a little smaller but could be because i'm older, or maybe jacking 5 times a day,lol.
You know i certainly didn't notice an hair regrowth, maybe it stopped any more loss, maybe. So i just said I'm giving it up. More for the long term possibilties from it. I do believe these to be very possible because the longer your body is on it the harder the recovery and return to normal. Same thing with aas and hrt. So try being on finesteride for 10 years plus, hmm, sure i could see problems.
And yes there certainly is a very small documented percentage that have problems from short term use too. Sux my friend if you are unlucky enough to fall in there. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Sobot]

Maybe he smarter than all them docs plus many many others who have seen us and have reckoned easily that the drug did this to us.

No at 23 i had no changes in my life, i was a happy med student with a good family life and a lot of friends a girlfriend and no issues what soever. No stress, even now i don't stress my self, i just accept shit that happens to me because of crap doctors and fraudulent pharm companies. I just want to get down to this so i don't think i let go.

Plus my case is not "rare" its one of the few thousands out there. Some many more thousands exist that are scared to talk or are brushed off by their docs who prescribed this shit. I was too, but then issues got very serious and they had to change their initial thinking.

What the fuck man, testicles and dick don't atrophy just like that one good day, nor do you get your sperm coming out like water or you get hypoglycemias and muscle inflammations at 23 without any apparent reason. There is a reason and the reason is serious, its not a cold or an infection. Plus as i said again and again, i have so many tests that depict that, that only a moron would say no. Its there, downregulation of the HPA, messed up adrenals, blocked 5-ar II in every part of the body where it exerts activity, skyrocketing free estradiol and prolactin, minimal intratesticular dht, physical symptoms, cracked down genitals and pain in nipples and small lumps, and a myriad of other symptoms too bored to describe now.