primo and winni help

[toxic108]

thanx all for ur help newbi and scotty great advice simple and to the point should be more like that

 

[Rogue Chemist]

Rogue Chemist is giving you terribad information.

You DO need to be running test as the base of any cycle. Any anabolic compound is going to shut down your HPTA (Hypothalmic Pituitary Gonadal Axis).

If you do not have test in the cycle, you will be shut down (not producing natural test), and not introducing exogenous test(via injectable test). If you are fine with not having what makes you a man inside of you be my guest.

Also, those doses of primo are too low. You should be running between approximately 200-400mg of primo daily if its oral, and if injectable preferably 1g a week.

Its not terible advice. No matter what you introduce/inject into you body as far as AAS go, its going to tell you body it doesn't need to continue producing test on its own. Injecting Test doesn't mean your body will continue to produce its own test or stop any kind of HPTA shut down. You will suffer shut down from just about anything you use, INCLUDING test.

I've run many cycles before without test and never had any problems. I have run Deca solo many times and never suffered the dreaded "Deca dick". Deca made me horny as fuck and so did Tren Ace, solo. In fact, the most side effects I've ever had have come from test cycles. Test E gave me horrible backne and Sust raised my BP through the roof.

I hear "test must be the base of every cycle" every 2 mins, but in my opinion it has a lot to do with "brotology". And for your info, Tren, Primo, Winstrol (winny) is as good a cutting stack as you can get.

I do not give bad advice. If I felt it was bad, I wouldn't post it.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

No matter what you introduce/inject into you body as far as AAS go, its going to tell you body it doesn't need to continue producing test on its own. Injecting Test doesn't mean your body will continue to produce its own test or stop any kind of HPTA shut down. You will suffer shut down from just about anything you use, INCLUDING test.

no shit

this is exactly why you need to inject exogenous testosterone-so your body can have some. nobody said using test as a base will keep you from shutting down.

Ps-this quote tells me you have no clue

 

[ScottyB28]

200-400mg of primo daily

This is bad advice.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

im willing to bet shap is either right on the money-or that extra 0 is typo

 

[Rogue Chemist]

no shit

this is exactly why you need to inject exogenous testosterone-so your body can have some. nobody said using test as a base will keep you from shutting down.

Ps-this quote tells me you have no clue

If you do not have test in the cycle, you will be shut down (not producing natural test), and not introducing exogenous test(via injectable test).

This to me sounds like he believes he can avoid shutdown by using test in a cycle. That is bad info and misinformed.

You are already jacking up your body's hormones by using AAS and explanation you can come up with for using test is "so your body can have some."

Your quote shows me YOU do not have a clue.

 

[Rogue Chemist]

Rogue Chemist is giving you terribad information.

You DO need to be running test as the base of any cycle. Any anabolic compound is going to shut down your HPTA (Hypothalmic Pituitary Gonadal Axis).

If you do not have test in the cycle, you will be shut down (not producing natural test), and not introducing exogenous test(via injectable test). If you are fine with not having what makes you a man inside of you be my guest.

Also, those doses of primo are too low. You should be running between approximately 200-400mg of primo daily if its oral, and if injectable preferably 1g a week.

The usual Primobolan dosage used is between 300 to 600 mg weekly for injectable Primobolan and 100 to 150 mg daily for the oral one.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Testosterone is a key hormone in males that can control not only sexual development and performance but qualities as varied as hair growth, muscle development, cardiovascular health and many aspects of the personality. Low testosterone levels are associated with a number of health problems in men, but levels vary widely in different individuals. Women also have low levels of testosterone.


Definition
Testosterone is a hormone in the form of a natural anabolic steroid secreted by the testes and, to a smaller degree, the adrenal gland. It is the most important of the male sex hormones.

Men normally produce 40 to 60 times more testosterone than women.
Levels
There are no established normal levels of testosterone in men because levels vary widely by age and individuals. Doctors in the United States generally consider anything below 300 nanograms per deciliter to be low, but those levels could be normal in an older man or too low in a man in his 30s.

Testosterone levels peak in the late 20s, dropping an average of 1.5 percent a year after age 30. A man in his 80s usually has 20 to 50 percent as much of the hormone as a man in his late 20s.
Effects
Testosterone is still being heavily researched.

The natural steroid affects growth of muscle mass and strength as well as bone density and strength, and stimulation of linear growth and bone maturation. Effects also include maturation of the sex organs, particularly the penis and the formation of the scrotum in unborn children, and after birth--usually at puberty--a deepening of the voice, along with growth of a beard and axillary hair

Professor James Dabbs of Georgia State University has researched testosterone levels for a decade. He found that testosterone levels can influence a person's tendency toward criminal violence, delinquency, suicide, heroic altruism and and aggression. It also affects cognition, sexuality and sex roles, occupation, personality, emotions, competitiveness, childhood behavior, facial expressions, relationships and more.
Problems
A University of Washington study published in 2006 in the Archives of Internal Medicine found that lower levels of the hormone were associated with higher death rates in men over 40.

Low testosterone also reduces muscle mass and can cause weakness. It can also cause lower bone mass. A study by Dr. Michiaki Fukui published in Diabetes Care found a direct correlation between lower testosterone levels and a higher risk of heart disease. Lower levels are also associated with increased body fat as well as an increased risk of diabetes.


Go ahead-be a dumbass and run all the deca only cycles you want-but DONT tell other people to make the same mistake.

 

[Rogue Chemist]

^^^^^ and I'm sure the info you just provided has NOTHING TO DO WITH MEN RUNNING STEROID CYCLES!!!! Especially when someone is running primo and Winstrol (winny), fuckstick.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

it does not matter wether your on a fucking cycle or not

if you have low levels of test that is what happens

and there is plenty more i just feel retarted arguing with you

i mean you tell people to run HCG during PCT at a whopping 2000iu ED

you tell people deca only cycles are OK

bottomline-your a fucking hard headed idiot.

then you say-i bet that info has nothing to due with people on cycle? what the fuck does that mean? you could have ten grams of deca in your system and 0 test-either way there are consequences from having low or no testosterone.

 

[Teutonic]

All these compounds affect each other differantly..at some level..
However the vast majority of literature published, the almost 100 percent concensus among memebrs of this forum, which in my opinion, is the most informed out there..agree that steroids shut you down=== No test
No test for a male==disaster.
If an individual can run deca, tren Winstrol (winny) (whatever) only and still function, I would say he is a 1 in a 10-thousand type of guy.
I m sticking with the guru s, (soon to be gurus..NB-this means YOU) , the published literature and my personal experiences and will always recommend exo test be introduced when on cycle.
That s all I have to say about that....F.Gump

 

[Rogue Chemist]

it does not matter wether your on a fucking cycle or not

if you have low levels of test that is what happens

and there is plenty more i just feel retarted arguing with you

i mean you tell people to run HCG during PCT at a whopping 2000iu ED

you tell people deca only cycles are OK

bottomline-your a fucking hard headed idiot.

then you say-i bet that info has nothing to due with people on cycle? what the fuck does that mean? you could have ten grams of deca in your system and 0 test-either way there are consequences from having low or no testosterone.

Please tell me what thread I said run 2000 iu/per day of HCG? I've never said that. I run 250ius m,w,f. I seen and heard or PCT where people use 500 ius/per day. I saw in another thread you said "running HCG in not advised during PCT anymore" or something along those lines. I've seen PCT using HCG. So please stop speaking as if you are the authority of wrong and right. There are many different ways to do things.

You tell me I have no clue and you are agreeing with a dude who told the OP to run Primo at a gram a week. A FUCKING GRAM A FUCKING WEEK INJECTABLE! Unless he is a Pro BB, that far exceeds the high end.

Then you post a blurb about testosterone that does nothing to back that it is needed in every cycle. All it does is talk about testosterone. Not people running test with other AAS. I understand everybody thinks test need to be the base. I simply said it's not my personal preference. Obviously you think everybody will suffer the same sides from Deca, I am proof that is not the case. People suffer a varity of sides from all different products. You can not speak for everyone that deca will cause the same problems.

The best cutting cycle there is does not have test in it. The OP asked what to run Primo and Winstrol (winny) at, I suggested a cycle.

 

[Rogue Chemist]

Rogue Chemist is giving you terribad information.

You DO need to be running test as the base of any cycle. Any anabolic compound is going to shut down your HPTA (Hypothalmic Pituitary Gonadal Axis).

If you do not have test in the cycle, you will be shut down (not producing natural test), and not introducing exogenous test(via injectable test). If you are fine with not having what makes you a man inside of you be my guest.

Also, those doses of primo are too low. You should be running between approximately 200-400mg of primo daily if its oral, and if injectable preferably 1g a week.

im willing to bet shap is either right on the money-or that extra 0 is typo

Fucking epic. Not a typo. Unless "1g a week" is also a typo.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Please tell me what thread I said run 2000 iu/per day of HCG? I've never said that.

yes you did-you posted some retarted PCT from isteroid-it called for high doses of HCG during PCT.

HCG is suppresive to your natural test production. during PCT the objective is to restore natural testosterone levels. why and the fuck would you or the people that do things differently run it during PCT? didnt think so

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

now your here arguing with me because you dont have any sides from a deca only cycle.

your saying that the disadvantages i posted of having low testosterone-is irrelevant because they are not on a cycle? stupid is as stupid does on that one.

i dont give a shit if you run tren by itself-just stop spreading terrible misconceptions-such as "i dont have any issues with deca only cycles so you wont either" "everyone is different" I mean what the fuck are you talking about-are you reading your posts?

 

[Rogue Chemist]

yes you did-you posted some retarted PCT from isteroid-it called for high doses of HCG during PCT.

HCG is suppresive to your natural test production. during PCT the objective is to restore natural testosterone levels. why and the fuck would you or the people that do things differently run it during PCT? didnt think so

Wasn't 2000iu/a day. Thanks for playing though.

I also posted a cycle from Dorian Yates where he ran 10,000ius/week. You want to tell Yates he doesn't know what he is doing?

If you google you can find plenty of sources suggesting HCG for post cycle therapy (pct). But since you disagree, it MUST be bad advice.

 

[Rogue Chemist]

now your here arguing with me because you dont have any sides from a deca only cycle.

your saying that the disadvantages i posted of having low testosterone-is irrelevant because they are not on a cycle? stupid is as stupid does on that one.

i dont give a shit if you run tren by itself-just stop spreading terrible misconceptions-such as "i dont have any issues with deca only cycles so you wont either" "everyone is different" I mean what the fuck are you talking about-are you reading your posts?

Stop talking as if you know how everyone reacts to every product.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

are you retarted? i just said its suppressive to your balls-and your still implying you should run it during PCT?

you can google all the outdated stuff you want-just keep it to yourself

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Stop talking as if you know how everyone reacts to every product.

for the last time-and im not talking to you anymore cause your an idiot.

it is NOT wise to run anything that is suppressive to your balls without at least supplementing test. PERIOD. who gets what sides is irrelevant its still a DUMB thing to do

 

[Rogue Chemist]

for the last time-and im not talking to you anymore cause your an idiot.

it is NOT wise to run anything that is suppressive to your balls without at least supplementing test. PERIOD. who gets what sides is irrelevant its still a DUMB thing to do

And you are an assclown. You also sound really Etough. I know your type. You flame people who come on here and tell them to use the "search button" rather then take 10 secs to help the person out. You spend more time on the fucking computer preaching your "steroid" knowledge to people who do not know any better than you do in the gym. Please blow my fucking mind again by posting another blurb about how testosterone in the male hormone. Riveting shit assmaster.

When I post things I simply do it as suggestions. I'm open to other people's advice/opinions. I like to learn as much as the next guy. I do not take my word has the final authority on any subject. People come to these sites to learn and be taught. Not to be insulted. Get over yourself and be open about shit dude.