Proper dosing of Adex with Cyp

[OnStar]

STARTED Jan 7th 2011

Training - 20+yrs
Height 6'2
Age- 41
Weight 214lbs
Body Fat 12.5%
Testosterone levels - 310ng/ml
Free Test 3.8
IGF-1 - 251

CURRENT March 01 2011

Weight 228lbs
Body Fat 10.5%
Testosterone 1437ng/ml
Free 29.5
IGF-1 - 387

Gear Cruise / Blasting for 12weeks / Cruise (first ASS)

260mg Test Cyp 1x week (week1 -6)
400mg Test Cyp (split 200mg/2xweek) (Week 6 - ?.)
HCG 350iu 3x week (Week 6- ?
0.5mg Arimidex ED
0.5mg Avodart (DHT blocker)

Food:
2900 calories (dialed in perfectly)

Cardio:
5x week 35min @70%MHR

Train:
5x week
Chest / Legs / Shoulders+Traps/Back/Bi+tri
Week -1 6-8 reps
Week-2 8-10 reps
Week-3 20-25 reps
Week -4 drop sets
Week-5 Repeat week 1

Im looking for some help on the proper amount of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to take. Currently I am taking Arimidex. Initial does was 260mg of Cyp 1x/week and 1mg of Adex 3x/week. I was able to increase size a bit but strength is nothing special. Currently I am blasting for 12 weeks at 400mg and changed to Adex dose to 0.5mg ED. After endless searching the only thing I could find was that Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be doesed at a ratio or 1mg/ED per gram of Test per week. So thats saying if someone was doing 1000mg/week they should dose AIs at 1mg/ED and someone at 500mg/week test should be at 0.5mg/ed. This is why I changed my dose. I am concerned with having the estrogen too low thus inhibiting gains but more concerned with fending off sides from too much estrogen.

Before starting AAS, my Progesterone was 0.50ng/ml and after 6 weeks of 260mg/week it went to 1.08ng/ml. (Range is 0.2 - 1.4) My Estradiol was 17.72ng/ml and went to 25.79ng/ml. (range is 7.63 -; 42.59) Again, this was at a dose of 240mg/week Cyp with 1mg Adex 3x/week. I am almost doubling the dose of Cyp and taking Adex ED at 0.5 for a total of 3.5mg/week. I have no sides what so ever and want to remain nipple itch free. lol

Any input ? Lower dose ? Maintain dose ?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I dont know if you copy/pasted your own post or someone else's but youll have to clean it up before i will take a look.

Also please state how many mg's you are taking a week, not cc's.

 

[OnStar]

Sorry about that. I typed in in MS Word and coppied into here. My apologies for all the errors.

I changed CC's to MG's

 

[nate212]

I do not claim to be a pro on this topic but will tell you my approach based on the research i have done.

I'm using aromasin first off. Being fairly conservative with the dose running it at 12.5mg every other day. I am just as concerned with droping estrogen to low as with it getting out of control but I do not think i am particularly gyno prone.

The reading I have done supports titrating the dose based on symptoms and trying to find a good balance that works well for you. I do not think there is one dose that is perfect for everyone but may be wrong on this.

i am interested to hear others experience with this.

I am 34 btw and 4 weeks into first cycle after about 20 years of lifting so we are in similar boat from experience standpoint.

 

[OnStar]

I am also under the impression that AI's will reduce the water rention. I

I am not prone to gyno but a friend told me that that shit appeared over night. Tuesday, fine. Wednesday morning...holly shit what is the lump ???

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

3mg of adex is too much. if you cant control your estrogen with less than that then you should be taking letro.

even on medium dose blast's someone should not need more than 3mg a week.

Also im confused, have you been on 260mg a week for 6 weeks and now your starting your blast? Just wondering why that was in your layout, the 260mg a week.

 

[OnStar]

Yes. I was taking 260mg for the first 6 weeks and decided to up it to 400mg for 12 weeks then come back down to around 200-260mg a week and cruise at that.

Taking 0.5 ED is 3.5mg a week. You said that 3mg is too much. What dose do you suggest other then Letro ?

I also posted some blood work results prior to starting and after 6weeks at 260mg/week with 1mg 3x/week.

Before starting AAS, my Progesterone was 0.50ng/ml and after 6 weeks of 260mg/week it went to 1.08ng/ml. (Range is 0.2 - 1.4) My Estradiol was 17.72ng/ml and went to 25.79ng/ml. (range is 7.63 -; 42.59) Again, this was at a dose of 240mg/week Cyp with 1mg Adex 3x/week. I am almost doubling the dose of Cyp and taking Adex ED at 0.5 for a total of 3.5mg/week.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

just saying-17 is low 25 is fine but so is 28 29. Im just saying if its taking that much adex to do the trick you should switch to letro, that way you could take smaller doses.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

also you mean your prolactin right? not progesterone?

 

[Infantry87]

Dude 0.5 should be fine . Thats what all the top mods suggest so ill take there word for. I think ive also heard that u can wait till ur pct at the end to takeit . if shit pops up during the cycle just start it at the sign of the first syptom till the end

 

[OnStar]

also you mean your prolactin right? not progesterone?

prolactin was 8.1ng/ml Range is 4.04 - 15.20ng/ml. Before I started my prolactin was 8.5ng/ml. So not much changed there. It was my progesterone that went from the bottom end to over the top range.

 

[OnStar]

Dude 0.5 should be fine . Thats what all the top mods suggest so ill take there word for. I think ive also heard that u can wait till ur pct at the end to takeit . if shit pops up during the cycle just start it at the sign of the first syptom till the end

Well....once shit pops up, its too late and you already got it.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Dude 0.5 should be fine . Thats what all the top mods suggest so ill take there word for. I think ive also heard that u can wait till ur pct at the end to takeit . if shit pops up during the cycle just start it at the sign of the first syptom till the end

Go ahead and take their word for it then. just because people have used that much before to control estrogen then i guess its ok.......................................................

Will that much adex work? yea probably. Have people taken 1mg ED to control estro and been fine? yea probably.

Does this mean you should? No. AI's are worse than AAS for long-term side effects, just look it up.

The "TOP" MODS I know will tell you the only Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that works, and keeps working through the years is letro..........................................

Why wouldnt you take letro at a smaller dose? less is more.

Keep in mind he said he was taking .5mg ED with only 260mg a week, when he goes on his blast how much will he need then???????

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

To add to that OP have you had your thyroid checked? T3 and T4 play a role in aromatase inhibition so if they are low your chances of increased aromatization rise dramatically.

 

[OnStar]

To add to that OP have you had your thyroid checked? T3 and T4 play a role in aromatase inhibition so if they are low your chances of increased aromatization rise dramatically.

T3 and T4 and good. T3 uptake was 35% and went to 37% after 6 weeks of 260mg. T4 went from 3 to 2.9.

 

[OnStar]

Keep in mind he said he was taking .5mg ED with only 260mg a week, when he goes on his blast how much will he need then???????

I was taking 1mg 3x/week at 260mg. I changed to 0.5mg ED when started at 400mg.

 

[UserAt204]

Listen to OAK. The man knows his shit and if I ever run in to trouble he will be the first I contact. Always appreciate your advice OAK.

 

[Big sexxy]

Adex didn't work for me. My libido was up and down. Trying aromas in and prami this time

 

[MattyIce]

.5 adex may be too much... start with .25 EOD and go from there. You need only to use aromatase inhibitors when sides pronounce, preventative use will have a reverse effect spiking estrogen too low and you will crash.