ques for prop users...

[franki21]

what brand of prop ( if any) is relatively painless??? i may use Virormones or farmak ukraine for my next cycle. any experiences ????
thanks
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[GymLift]

Prop hurts because of the prop. If prop hurts you and you find gear that doesn't hurt, then it is a fake.

Only thing that you can really do is add some sterile oil to it.

Unless you are subject to steroid testing, why bother with the prop if it hurts?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Prop hurts because of the prop. If prop hurts you and you find gear that doesn't hurt, then it is a fake.

Only thing that you can really do is add some sterile oil to it.

Sorry but I whole heartedly disagree.

Viromones will not have any pain assoiciated with them at all, neither will plenty of other Human grade brands.

Pain from prop is an individual thing, some get it, others don't........

 

[franki21]

i generally use eth or sust, but wanted to give prop a try if i could find one that went in smooth. QV prop hurt like hell-also read one post that farmak ukraine was less painfull.
thanks
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[StoneColdNTO]

You won't find a better prop than Viromones, they use ethly oleate, and that stuff is awesome, and you could probably inject with a slin pin.

 

[franki21]

a insulin pin? r u serious? that would be nice for ed injects. any word on the ukrainian prop? thanks SC for the replys.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

a insulin pin? r u serious? that would be nice for ed injects. any word on the ukrainian prop? thanks SC for the replys.

Damn straight......they have the viscosity of water, thanks to the ethyl oleate.

I have no experience or knowledge of that Ukranaine prop.

 

[pushthatpin]

i have used viromone and find it completely painless, i've never experienced any pain from it, i'd definately recommend it

 

[Slider]

I have never had pain issues site injecting prop.....love the stuff
ED @ 100mg

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[crushershockey]

i haven't had a problem with it until yesterday... might be because i moved the needle aroud inside my shoulder a little but but my delt feels like i got hit with a bat lol it sucks... i'm using Syrus and Herculean (UGL) prop... fuckin love the shit!!

 

[yankeesuck]

i used prop for three weeks at the end of a sust/deca cycle so i could keep test high up until post cycle therapy (pct) began. I injected in thighs and I couldn't walk without pain for days. Injected in the delt and couldn't raise my arm without pain. I used QV prop and it was a sucky three weeks.

 

[GymLift]

Prop hurts because of the prop. If prop hurts you and you find gear that doesn't hurt, then it is a fake.

Only thing that you can really do is add some sterile oil to it.

Sorry but I whole heartedly disagree.

Viromones will not have any pain assoiciated with them at all, neither will plenty of other Human grade brands.

Pain from prop is an individual thing, some get it, others don't........

I understand that the testosterone propionate doesn't bother everyone the same.

And I also understand that there can be other things in the vial that can cause pain.

But the testosterone propionate molecule itself just plain 'hurts' a lot of guys. I've seen guys report this from human grade propionate. For example, there is a member here named 'tres' that is using human grade testosterone propionate, and it hurts him.

This makes sense both from a scientific standpoint (crystalization, I believe) and from experience of many.

 

[GymLift]

Interesting about the "ethly oleate." I haven't done research, but it seems possible that using ethly oleate might change the pharmacodynamics of the testosterone propionate molecule, specifically in regards to distribution over time. For example, it might change the characteristics of the 'depot' and this could easily explain why testosterone propionate in ethly oleate wouldn't hurt.

 

[GymLift]

Damn straight......they have the viscosity of water, thanks to the ethyl oleate.

I have no experience or knowledge of that Ukranaine prop.

I surely can't confirm, but according to this thread, the Farmak Ukrainian test prop is Ethyl oleate based.

 

[tres]

mrank i was thinking of trying this preperation of prop. but now i am thinking does it change from a prop to more like a cyp due to the ethly?

 

[GymLift]

mrank i was thinking of trying this preperation of prop. but now i am thinking does it change from a prop to more like a cyp due to the ethly?

If anything, I would think that the ethyl oleate might make the test prop faster acting rather than slower action, like prop.

But it might not change the pharmacodynamics hardly at all.

 

[string_bean00]

It's still just prop. It doesn't change any release rates.

 

[tres]

i have a dr's script for prop. where can i buy this one? thx

 

[GymLift]

It's still just prop. It doesn't change any release rates.

Supposedly, when you inject, say, testosterone cypionate, it makes a depot in the muscle and it is primarily the depot that sustains the release. But once the testosterone cypionate molecule is released into the blood stream, the molecule is converted from testosterone cypionate into pure testosterone fairly quickly (a matter of hours).

"In medical terms, a depot injection is an injection, usually subcutaneous, of a pharmacological agent which releases its active compound in a consistent way over a long period of time. Depot injections are usually either solid or oil-based."

This kind of came as a surprise realization to me maybe a month ago. I would really like to see more evidence of this process.

Anyway, I have to wonder if using ethyl oleate might change the characteristics of the depot and thus the release rate of the hormone into the bloodstream.

 

[GymLift]

i may use Virormones or farmak ukraine

So they aren't one in the same?