Question here, Pro Hormones.

[KingPen]

I know this isn't the "pro hormone" section, but so be it.

I have ran a couple PHs back in the day (couple years ago) before I knew much of anything in regards to AAS, HTPA, ect. ect. I mainly used Epistane.

I still don't know much about PHs nor do I care as I will never touch them again as I have moved onto the real deal now.

So the question here is: Do PHs shut you down completely? and are running PH cycles essentially as stupid as running "oral only" cycles?

 

[Austinite]

In most cases, it's dose and cycle length dependant. But generally, yes. Lots of compounds are inaccurately categorized as "prohormones", when in fact they are actually anabolic steroids.

 

[KingPen]

In most cases, it's dose and cycle length dependant. But generally, yes. Lots of compounds are inaccurately categorized as "prohormones", when in fact they are actually anabolic steroids.

I see.

The reason I ask is because I got blood work done when i was 19, and my total test level was only in the 480s. To me that seemed pretty damn low for a healthy teen that had been living the bodybuilding life style for years and weight training since I can remember.

To this day I still blame those damn PHs for causing my test levels to be, as what I see "low" for someone that age. Obviously I will never know for sure if the PHs did cause any damage, or if that's simply all my boys can produce... Just one of those things that's bothersome .

 

[Austinite]

Yes. 480 ng/dL is in the gutter for a 19 year old.

 

[KingPen]

Yes. 480 ng/dL is in the gutter for a 19 year old.

..and of course the GP said its " in range and good". Ha. I don't even want to imagine what it will be in 10 years.

 

[Mad- scientist]

lol ya pro hormones will fuck you up... my total test at 23 after taking them all the time and stopping for a year and a half was 413ng/dl

 

[Mad- scientist]

lol that's particularly why now if some one tested my levels they would probably be around 3000

 

[KingPen]

lol ya pro hormones will fuck you up... my total test at 23 after taking them all the time and stopping for a year and a half was 413ng/dl

No good my dude. Its a shame, they work wonders in strength / gains department. But completely fuck you up.

 

[Mad- scientist]

well the thing that is fucked up is that they are steroids but no one tells you when you are young to run them with a testosterone base. Plus you cant get any products legally that are strong enough to do a correct post cycle therapy (pct). And to top it off a lot of these pro hormones out there are multi compound pro hormones where you have something like a combination of superdrol, tren , and epistane. I have seen a combination of superdrol,halodrol,epistane,dmz,and tren all in one pro hormone before and all dosed at pretty high dosages. Who ever made the product in my opinion is a fucked up person. That is just way to dangerous to take that many orals.

I honestly think that the purity of the products are not to good either. I think that the capsules could be dosed differently to. I honestly think that the government should have done more to actually warn people about the products a lot earlier than they did. Or some one who is respected in the fitness industry should have made a bigger deal about it. I know that's a weird attitude for me to have. But foot ball coaches where giving the products to their students who were under 18 and lots of kids were taking the products. I think they probably caused more problems than steroids have caused for people who were young. The government pisses me off and they stick their nose in everything but they never actually stop something bad from happening before it's to late in my opinion. I just think pro hormones should have been treated differently maybe not made illegal but at least explained to be dangerous and why to young people.

 

[Mad- scientist]

lol like you see all these anti steroid comercials for kids but the kids could just go to a supplement store and get sold something like superdrol and not even know what it is. There is something majorly wrong with that.

 

[KingPen]

I have seen a combination of superdrol,halodrol,epistane,dmz,and tren all in one pro hormone before and all dosed at pretty high dosages.

Christ, that sounds like one gnarly pill. That is a concoction of POWERFUL chemicals man.

They might as well be made illegal IMO. What are they good for? Honestly I feel like they are just as damaging if not more so than "real steroids". Yet people don't even hesitate to buy and use them due to the fact that they are legal.

I have many friends that use them constantly and I tell them to throw that garbage away and just get some real testosterone if anything. But the common response is "I'm not ready for steroids yet". LOL. Oh well, I was there at one point too.

 

[Mad- scientist]

I think that if something like pro hormones are going to be legal they need to be treated with more respect and people need to be more aware on how to use them. And the age should be 21 some one has to be to buy them. It is not really that I think they should just be plain illegal. The problem with them is that there is no way to use them legally without buying other illegal products to use them correctly and do correct pct or even have a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand.

 

[KingPen]

Age limit as a bare minimum, for sure. The thing about all these companies that are producing them is they don't give a flying fuck about anyone's health or well being for that matter. They are in it for the money.

And as you said, You can't run them properly without other illegal drugs and the vast majority of users are totally clueless about this. These companies are doing nothing but setting up their customers for failure. Bottom line is they need to be more regulated.