Real or fake dbol??
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joe d
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actually i truly wasnt trying to be disrespectful but that is fine. your only point here is that you feel to get an effective dose it needs to be too high to the point where its dangerous? i have run 20mg of dbol for over 6 months (as this was common practice many years ago) and kept my bloods reasonable. i have recommended low dose 12 week runs to several guys over the years and saw some of their labs. 20mg of dbol ed is far better for results than 150mg of test ew. i dont know where you get this 150 test analogy but it is what let me know you have never done it. telling me people say its bad so i say its bad only suggest to me that you are simply going along with something because someone said so. i came and shared my experience not hear say. if you dont like it or disagree that is fine, but when you tell me i am wrong in a topic i have quite a bit of experience with im going put you on the spot for reason. i now see your reason and while i disagree with that too i respect it. to each his own. i hope i didnt get you too heated.
kaname
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Only can assume you didn't read or understand my post. I never said a 150mg dose of test a week is better than anything. I actually said the opposite. And having a large community of knowledgeable members who share that knowledge, which is then farther disseminated is far from "simply going along."
And heated? My work day is spent articulating my points in a blunt manner. Guess when I posted "I'm not mad," my point wasn't clear that I'm not mad.
For the record just because you've done something successfully (being whatever you even consider to be a success) does not mean that it is now ok for the masses. Plenty of people have a higher tolerance to alcohol. Some can function and appear normal at .08. Others fall apart at .05. Probably another wasted analogy but I have plenty to waste. Point remains the information on the board concerning oral only cycles far our weighs whatever experience one person has. And for the record I can use the same arguments in reverse. I have plenty of friends who have ran those doses and blood work was out of whack. Me saying that to you means very little as you saying it to me. Typically when people start saying my friends this and my friends that, they don't have the documented proof or a large backing of members confirming their beliefs.
I suggest anyone who is considering this, do plenty of research.
So basically you're recommending to a college kid to take a 3month long dbol cycle? Have you taken any time to ask him what his goals are, his training history, his diet? Do you even know if he drinks alcohol like a majority of college kids do? Since you did it and were able to keep bloods reasonable its now a recommendation given as a blanket statement? Your recommendations are nothing short of haphazard, "I did it and I recommended it to friends so it must be ok". Common practice was over 6months at a clip in the past bc ppl didn't know any better back then, not bc it was "safe". Just bc you have a bias towards oral only cycles does not mean you should push them as the best and safest route possible. Our responsibility here is to each other's safety just as much as it is to give them sound advice to help their gains, and making blanket statements that run the risk of permanent damage is a huge no no which you will get called out on (seeing as you like calling others out) like Kaname did. You're so into pushing him take his dbol you neither mentioned any liver support nor scoffed at his idea of using milk thistle as a sole liver support supplement.
joe d
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you did not say 150 mg test was better. you said "The benefits of running a very very low dose is next to nil, and not worth the risk. It's akin to running 150mg of test each week for a full cycle to see how your body reacts." and i am saying that you can take a low enough dose of dbol to blow away 150mg of test ew and still keep fair health as you would on an equal test cycle. i know this because i have done it haha. again you are the one saying i am wrong yet you bring absolutely nothing to the table in the way of defending your statements. in fact all you do is say i dont feel like it look it up yourself and you admitted that never even tried it lol so that sums it up for me so i guess ill end it here.
op please do go and do your research before taking any ones word for anything your going to run.
joe d
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actually id you drop the defensiveness and read the thread and posts being responded to you will see what i was actually saying to who.
i dont baby adults and i dont think every poster is stupid enough to go buy dbol say how to i take it then run with whatever answer they get, and if they are well..... its common sense to learn about shit first. and the guy i siggested to try dbol wasnt the op it was the guy who said "do NOT run dbol alone, you gotta add some test to that... if you wanna do dbol only you can expect depression limp dick and loss of all gains.. enjoy " this doesnt make any sense. its simply not true. did i need his goals to suggest he try it sometime so he can learn that his advice was out there?
right a 12 week 20mg dbol cycle is haphazard lol. and again why is this? im dying to get a real answer. unless someone comes in with one i will stop responding to these type posts. i dont mind a productive argument but this is nonsense.
have a good evening.
joe d
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Oooh oooh! My turn!
Tadaa!
haha point taken.
kaname
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Somehow you're still missing the point. And that isn't the point for the 150mg statement.
No i dont feel the need to provide you with proof when we have a ton of post doing as much including a sticky on the topic.
And lastly yes there are those who would read your statements and run it that way.
No i dont feel the need to provide you with proof when we have a ton of post doing as much including a sticky on the topic.
And lastly yes there are those who would read your statements and run it that way.
The bolded was directed towards Danman, the OP, who later admits to not wanting to pin bc it hurts his ass sitting down for class. Meaning you should 1) investigate who you made that claim to and 2) understand he's a kid in school being advised by you to run a liver toxic oral steroid ontop of potential alcohol use that most college kids are into. Yes it's obvious you don't baby anybody, you "give them the gun and load it for them, take the safety off and cock the hair trigger". You call me out for being defensive, yet it's you who's been on the defensive since your second or third post here defending your view that a minimal low dose oral only cycle is safe. You're saying limp dick etc isnt true? Have a read:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/630522-6-months-after-dbol-still-shut-down-please-help.html
Yes it's 40mg ED for 4wks but still shut down and limp dick. You use your friends as proof so here is one case of proof against yours. It's possible to get shit down and limp dick from dbol. Saying otherwise is ludicrous. Your population sample of 12ppl is not only limited but lacking any scientific back besides "I saw some of their bloods". It has no repeatability. I, like Kaname, could care less if you stop responding to my posts. That's not my business nor concern. My concern is not to spread false information. And seeing as you made the claim that dbol was safe at "your suggested dose" the onus is on you to prove the claim not me to disprove it. You keep asking for proof that a low dose dbol only cycle is not safe, yet you don't put forth any evidence showing it is safe as you claim. Hypocrisy is rampant in that
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joe d
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ahh yes i did answer his question. my mistake. kid in school huh. he is an adult in college. when someone says they have run a few cycles then asks a simple question about dosage ill answer the question without running their ss# for age verification, making sure their not on any prescribed meds, telling them how to diet and train, making sure their not already putting an abundance of other liver toxoc chems in their body, or asking their family if its okay if they run aas. but again the real issue here is the dbol run. thank you for bringing some evidence. in response to that. this guy ran 40mg ed for 4 weeks with no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and then did a pct of nolva and a pretty much worthless (in this case) sup of 3-4 weeks. this isnt a good sample against my advised use because it was a much higher dose, there was no Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and less than half of a post cycle therapy (pct). even the people in that thread know what the problem was. just in case any one is going to say "oh come on this is nit picking it makes a point". it doesnt we are all well aware if you run any aas without a proper support it will likely leave you screwed up.
You're making a strawman argument. I've never suggested to go through ss #s etc. you're trying to make a point with stupidity. All I said was you take no precautions when handing out biased advice when aas recommendations should be tailored to the individual, not given in blanket statements.
This isn't a good sample bc it's a much higher dose than you recommended??
^^^that recommendation is only 10mg more than in the thread I linked you to. Explain how that is a much higher dose? Do you even remember what you've written in this thread so far? It seems like twice now you e forgotten what you stated and recommended.
You make note of no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and improper post cycle therapy (pct) in the thread I linked to. Where in this thread was there a recommendation for Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and post cycle therapy (pct) besides you saying "oh you're going to need an AI"? Again you want to load the gun up for him and encourage him without providing him with the full picture. If you take the time to offer your recommendations thinking they are correct, give the full picture and the full recommendation, not some half assed "oh you can do it, 12 of my friends did and they're fine". Yes it's partly his responsibility to research on his own but him not researching doesn't justify you painting half the picture instead of the full one. Again oral only cycles MAY provide you with gains (depending on your interpretation of the word) but they are much harder to hold onto, more negative health risks associated with orals, are inferior in many ways to injectables, and their pros hardly outweigh the cons. This is the argument others like Kaname, Abused, and JM750 are trying to point out to you. Perform a cost benefit analysis and the risks are much higher compared to the Benefits and as such the most prevalent recommendations on this forum will be to a kid oral only cycles.
joe d
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a 25% increase from a recommended maximum dose is a bit higher isnt it?
again. when someone says they have run a few cycles then ask about the dosage of a compound i dont feel the need to dig into their entire plan. if you do than go right ahead. ill stick with what im doing. if someone leads me to believe that maybe they have never cycled before well thats a different story.
Not necessarily. You're confusing statistical significance with clinical significance. 25% higher dosing means just that. Until you run a full pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic profile on dbol you're talking out of turn when you say that.
And if you plan on giving recommendations out of context, expect to be called out on it just like you pointed you'll be calling others out for the same unsubstantiated claims you're making.
joe d
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lol using big words doesnt make you look any more right here. your trying to change the topic again by taking the argument in yet another direction. this could go on for months. bottom line here is that i have not offered any reckless advice and no one has offered anything to suggest that there is anything at all wrong with a low dose 12 week dbol only cycle. this is no surprise though since i do happen to already know first hang just how good of a choice it can actually be. its terrible when bad info flows on and on by so many with zero actual experience. i come here and share mine and its like im the devil haha.
lets please move past this. im done with this thread.
kaname
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@ Doc: For once I'm bowing out early. The fact that the large majority of this board is against oral cycles only, to the point we have a sticky on the subject, it's pretty clear. It's like someone asking you to offer proof of why we recommend test only for a first cycle. Yes it can be done but what's the point when the info is on the first page, and a million other threads to follow. Every argument presented is countered by "it worked for me." My only point with this thread was to make sure others read, not to educate Joe D. Which I do find it odd that he seems to think none who have arguments against it has tried it. Even I know I'm not a special snow flake, despite what my mother tells me.
Plenty of arguments in the 23 page sticky: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html
On a side note: The 150 mg test comment. Starting with such a low dose as a first cycle exposes you to being shut down for a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose. Risking that for something your body is already producing naturally is what I meant by the risk out weighing the benefits. Saying that a low dose of dbol blows away 150mg of test has nothing to do with the argument. Every one of these substances comes with risk. The point being temp gains made from a 12 week cycle of dbol only comes with harsh realities for many that far out weigh the temporary benefits.
And sorry I don't feel compelled to provide what you call proof for this argument. It seems silly to me when we have a 23 page sticky above this thread, and a million other threads when searching "oral only" cycles.
Plenty of arguments in the 23 page sticky: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html
On a side note: The 150 mg test comment. Starting with such a low dose as a first cycle exposes you to being shut down for a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose. Risking that for something your body is already producing naturally is what I meant by the risk out weighing the benefits. Saying that a low dose of dbol blows away 150mg of test has nothing to do with the argument. Every one of these substances comes with risk. The point being temp gains made from a 12 week cycle of dbol only comes with harsh realities for many that far out weigh the temporary benefits.
And sorry I don't feel compelled to provide what you call proof for this argument. It seems silly to me when we have a 23 page sticky above this thread, and a million other threads when searching "oral only" cycles.
So in other words you're jealous you don't know "big words" to help your argument. I can dumb it down to your level if its easier to follow. Case in point, creatine's maximum effective dose is around 5g/day. That's all it takes to fully saturate your muscles. You can choose to take a dose of 20g/day which has statistical significance since its taking 400% the recommended dose but has no clinical significance since it does not saturate your muscles with more creatine. Now I'll take it as a compliment that you have resorted to trying to insult me using your lack of intelligence as a baseline but it does nothing to support your argument. Again the onus is on you to prove its safe and effective since it is your claim. Oh no, another big word: onus means burden of proof if you're wondering.
I have yet to take the argument in any direction besides that which you've lead it down. All I've done is attack your argument from a logics perspective and seeing as it wasn't that difficult to do proves your argument is weak. Your whole claim is based on anecdotal evidence, it worked for me. Unfortunately for you correlation does not equal causation and what you did worked in spite of what you did not because of it. You're also the same person who claims you ran 2g of tren per week without caber/prank for progesterone and claimed you had no sides. His is pure bullshit. You are either too stupid to realize what a side is, are lying about your use of ancillaries, or have concocted a fairy tale story in hopes of making yourself sound knowledgable. Your advice is reckless whether you admit to it or not and you keep asking for proof from others when you yourself have yet to fire evidence backing your claims. You also keep saying you're done with this thread yet you come back to it like case of bad herpes. Are you done or do you want to keep going?
Edit the fact that you had to resort to calling out my use of wordage proves you have nothing else of value to add to the argument. Thank you for proving my point.
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I think you're a special snowflake buddy!! I though about bowing out myself bc as dawg says, "stupidity is I curable and contagious over the Internet" but I'm actually having fun with it. Maybe when I lose my patience I'll call it quits. I know you deal with stupid shit all day so put your feet up, take a breather, and just watch from a distance lol.
I've spoke with you before I'm not using milk thistle? It's a load of shit I'm using liv 52+ I don't drink like most college kids do cause I'm not at college, this whole thread was about ,y tab sizes nothing eles I'm not stupid I've ran test before and would at her do an oral only
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