recommended supp for 1st cutting agent?

inkpack4141

inkpack4141

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Sup guys, I've done 2 test en. cycles now and have had good gains. Kicked them both off with dbol. I am now going to run Sustanon (sust) for my 3rd cycle probably 750cc/week. I am teetering back and forth between running deca with that or a cutting agent to burn a good amount of fat. I think I would like to run a cutting agent along with my sust. What do you guys suggest for a 1st time cutter with sust. By the way I dont have much BF right now but would like to shred up more. BF is in the 8% range. Thanks guys appreciate it.
 
lol well I already got that down. I have a great diet, very loyal to it as well so theres no worries there.
Oh ya forgot to mention, I dont think I want to run tren because I here there are a lot of sides. Also here it makes you winded easily and I cant have that because I am a soccer player.

anavar seems tempting other than the price, but it seems a lot of people love it and a lot hate it. But is this actually a cutter.

Also dont want to run Winstrol (winny) because its so bad on the joints.

Any other suggestions or advice? thank you
 
I gotcha bro, the first thing I was going to say was Tren. But cardio would be a problem so that is out of the question. Var is good but rather pricey. I would recommend Equipoise, It leaned me out rather nicely, made me real vascular, and also helped out on my cardio. The only bad side would be it makes you real hungry, but if you have self control and are loyal to your diet you will shouldnt have a problem.

600mg Eq for 12-15 week with your test and diet you should have no problem reaching your goal..
 
You dont need to run anything. Youre just a skinny kid without much muscle mass, no need for steroids to preserve what you dont have. Diet, exercise and maybe a fatburner is like ECA or Clen is all you need.
 
thanks jack I appreciate your advice. and I'm going to have to disagree with you estray I do have a very good amount of muscle its just spanned out over a 6'3 frame but thanks anyway i guess..
 
If thats you in your av then your obviously going for the Abercrombie look. If you need steroids to achieve that then theres a problem. Just do it like they do and dont eat. Im being dead serious. If youre 6-3 than you cant be more than 180lbs unless your hiding some massive legs. Not trying to be a dick, its just i look at your pic and see another skinny kid whos ran a few cycles and is still skinny. Best advice i can give you is quit using gear till you get things figured out.
 
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If your 8% dude then you should look pretty shredded. Your probably holding alot of water. I agree 100% with estray and jack....I think your lying about previous cycle experience....750cc's right?
 
How much do you weigh? Do you train for mass/size? What is your protein consumption like?
 
How can I be lying about my past cycles? all I said is i have done 2 test en cycles before. Didnt even state the dosage. 500mg/wk for the first and 625/week for the second. Dissapointed in the second. Anyway I'm sitting at 190 right now. I'm not going for the abercrombie look I'm going for good solid bulk. I dont know I just thought everyone knew that if your a taller person then your muscles are stretched out a lot more and therefore they dont grow OUT as much or as quick as shorter people. guys i'm not trying to sound like a duesch or make myself look like an idiot on this thread but I mean I do see why you guys are saying I look skinny to you but i'm honeslty asking do you not see a good amount of muscle on me. My rear delts ... dont look like they hold good size? my arms dont look decently thick for having long arms, my upper back???? I dont want to seem like I'm some kid trying to convince you guys I'm just honestly a little bit thrown off. When I look at that pic and in the mirror I dont agree with you guys. I' ve got good size to me.

anyway when i'm talking about burning fat, I have fat in my stomach I want to rid of. I guess the best thing would be cardio, diet, and lots of situps. I'm just going to chalk it up to that. Since I'm really only worried about burning a small amount in one area it seems that would just be the right choice.
once again please dont flame me for my response as some kid trying to convince others about his size
 
inkpack4141 said:
How can I be lying about my past cycles? all I said is i have done 2 test en cycles before. Didnt even state the dosage. 500mg/wk for the first and 625/week for the second. Dissapointed in the second. Anyway I'm sitting at 190 right now. I'm not going for the abercrombie look I'm going for good solid bulk. I dont know I just thought everyone knew that if your a taller person then your muscles are stretched out a lot more and therefore they dont grow OUT as much or as quick as shorter people. guys i'm not trying to sound like a duesch or make myself look like an idiot on this thread but I mean I do see why you guys are saying I look skinny to you but i'm honeslty asking do you not see a good amount of muscle on me. My rear delts ... dont look like they hold good size? my arms dont look decently thick for having long arms, my upper back???? I dont want to seem like I'm some kid trying to convince you guys I'm just honestly a little bit thrown off. When I look at that pic and in the mirror I dont agree with you guys. I' ve got good size to me.

anyway when i'm talking about burning fat, I have fat in my stomach I want to rid of. I guess the best thing would be cardio, diet, and lots of situps. I'm just going to chalk it up to that. Since I'm really only worried about burning a small amount in one area it seems that would just be the right choice.
once again please dont flame me for my response as some kid trying to convince others about his size
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I think since youre an ectomorph with a fast metabolism you shouldnt have to worry about taking anything to lean up. It should just happen and if you keep the protein high theres no need for a 'cutting cycle'. I just dont think youre anywhere near that in the game anyhow.

Id still like to know what your goals are, youve said your a soccer player which would lead me to think you dont want to add alot of mass yet youre running big mass cycles and then youre concerned about dropping bodyfat when youre already single digit so youre sending alot of mixed signals.
 
Consider high dose anavar, 75-100mg ed. with test. T3 qnd HGH would also be great additions. Could also add some deca or NPP. Keep diet clean and protien very high. At least 2g per lb. a day. Use in Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throught out cycle, aromasin being ideal. Minimum dose needed. I have no trouble believing your a hard gainer. With training, be sure to continue to train as if you were bulking, ie for mass. If your not sure your doing that right, research it or PM me.

Some supplements would be good too. One I recommend for that stubborn belly fat is yohimburn YES. Good stuff.

Good luck
 
Getting below 8% is now easy task. And to gain or preserve muscle while doing so take an appropriate regiment.
 
Estray is on point with this one fosho!! I suggest U take his advice and let it be, honestly!
 
I would listen to the advice on holding off. Your base doesnt seem to look ready for gear bro. Also you said you started both cycles off with dbol? You are 6'3 and 180? When that doesnt sound like a problem then I quit BB. Just my 2 cents or 3!
 
Bro - since i've seen you around a while i know you have gained a decent amount of mass, but it is tough on a 6'-3" frame. IMO you don't really need a cutter yet. Go for some more bulk. I don't know when you finished your last cycle, but give it a good 6 months between and work on the diet. Even tho you have a good diet now - i'm sure it could be improved for more muscle gains. And for your next cycle I'd go for another simple one - Test C and deca -that will yield some nice bulk.

If you really want to go for a cutter, i'd say keep it simple and do the ECA stack. But remember - you can't loose BF and gain muscle at the same time. At best you will loose BF and maintain muscle.

Good luck broski!
 
Liftbig11 said:
I would listen to the advice on holding off. Your base doesnt seem to look ready for gear bro. Also you said you started both cycles off with dbol? You are 6'3 and 180? When that doesnt sound like a problem then I quit BB. Just my 2 cents or 3!
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I was 6'3" and 180 when I joined this forum and started. I couldnt gain any weight (at age 44). turns out I needed TRT.

But my lesson was, just test alone got me 20 pounds. I got to 220 OVER TIME by adding protein in the morning and evening. I would do Deca/Test to bulk. Wouldnt worry about cutting for at least another 40 pounds.

Honestly suse - that is way skinny - I should know. Fuck cutting - eat, eat , eat
 
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