squat help -- calling all muscle bears

I have dropped squats and deads from my routine. I haven't done either in over a year. I have also added in lot of stretching and my body has never felt better.

Squats and deads were golden when I was 20 and wanted to be huge. Now that I am approaching 30 I realized that it isn't worth it considering I make $0 off of BBing and don't compete.
 
At 36 I am starting to phase out squats. My quads respond very well to just about any stimulus and my knees are starting to feel the effects of 20 years of squats along with all the hockey I played through college. I want to keep my knees/back in good working order as I get older.

Aside from hacks and presses, I have been incorporating a lot of the Bulgarian style split squats and regular split squats with dumbells. That way I can still maintain my head-turning ass without risking lower back and knees. Try the different squat variations and find something that works for you.
 
I have lower back probs (deg disc disease) had it before i started lifting, and doing deads has done nothing but help. My back feels better than it has in years. Squatting is differnt though, if i hit one bad rep it can irritate my back for the rest of the week. This is why i stay under 400lbs and do higher reps and ive generall been issue free. I have no aspirations to be squatting 600+lbs.
 
Pussies! If your knees and shit hurt from doing squats you're doing them wrong in some fashion. Could be something as minor as foot placement or not dropping your ass first on the downward portion of the lift. If your back hurts then your letting the weight travel forward before getting the butt down.

The heavier the weight the closer I pull my arms towards my shoulders to control the weight....and pluse I might want to get out from under it in a hurry.

Tood, have you tried it with padding of some form?
 
juggernaught i feel your pain. To you who insult the deadlift I dont hear you.... personally after doing deadlifts and/or squats and some heavy presses and heavy abs i dont even know how you can do any other exercises.. i mean physically.. i can barely hold onto the bar (which tells me life is good).
 
Go through back surgery, and you will never want to do squats again. I hurt just thinking about it.

i powerlifted several more years after a double back surgery and a neck surgery where a disc was removed and a dead guys legbone and steel plate put in to replace it.
did the lifting speed up my spinal deterioration ? probablly .
i do know that i never hurt my back lifting and the only knee surgery i ever needed was from league basketball. i also know that my doctor was amazed at my recovery post op and conferred with other doctors who decided that the only reasonable explanation was my advanced muscle growth supported my body far more than normal which took weight off my bone structure. i was sent to post op after haveing my neck operation which took several hours and was to be fitted with a neck brace in recovery , after scouring the the hospital they were unable to find a brace that would fit my neck and insisted i couldnt move without one . since i was still asleep the suggested that my wife go to town and buy lengths of velcro to extend the neck brace out so it would fit , by the time she got back i was walking the halls wide awake and in minor discomfort at worst . she wasnt very surprised and had the GALL to call me STUBBORN , i was deeply hurt lol . when the doc rounded the corner and saw me pushing a little old lady down the hall in a wheel he said OH SHIT !!! and everyone around heard him even the old lady , she laughed lol .
the fact is im 46 years old and have abused my body in one way or another almost my whole life from being a farm boy and competitive sports during the military and even into my late 30's competeing at tennis at the state level and even the regional level. i quit powerlifting almost 2 years ago but dont regret doing powerlifting a bit , IF and i say IF i had had the surgery sooner instead of waiting until nerve damage was permenant i would be fine today .
long story even longer IF i had listened to my body when it needed rest and not pushed it past my limits and if i had had the surgeries sooner before the damage was permenant i would be better off than 99% of people my age .
i was so stubborn i had my workout partners stop by the house post op [ day or 2 ] and carry me to the gym to hang out and i would sit on the machines to watch them lift and would sneak reps on the machine when noone was looking [ yeah i know im a stupid son of a gun ] .

as MP5 said the pain from back surgery is equivilant to trying to shit a bowling ball while stabbing your nuts with a ice pick.

funny story's
the back surgery took a lot longer than expected apparently the spreaders werent able to hold my back muscles apart and nurses had to take turns with 1 on each side trying to pry them apart so the DR could work on the spine , it was like hawaii five o they had to call in backup lol.
his personnal nurse came to tell my family what was takeing so long and came back with him when he met with them post op when my family asked if i was allright he said yes and she added that i was better off than the doc and those other nurses lol the doc couldnt even stand up when he talked to the family , he was exhausted .

during the neck surgery apparently the dude who knocks you out [ i aint spelling that name ] didnt believe me when i told him i have a high tolerance to meds so i woke up and sat straight up with my neck gaped open in some kind of cage , the only way they could get me back down was to have the nurses rub on my arms and talk sweet and lull me back to sleep while the knockout dude broke out the elephant tranquilizer .




for the original poster squats can be rough on the shoulders , the last year or 2 i had to stretch my shoulders CONSTANTLY to get my hands behind the bar , i would literally place my hands squat height on the jam of every door i went through and push in with my body weight stretching and would stretch a LONG time pre workout .
what a lot of people dont realize is that it isnt JUST the wear and tear on your shoulders from squatting and benching . once you become more advanced and gain a lot of upper back thickness that only heavy lifting can do your suddenly haveing to reach farther and farther behind you to grab the bar because of your thickness , combine that with the naturall loss of flexibility most get as they age and it can be tough . i couldnt hold the bar the last few years except in a thumbless grip at the very ends of the bar .
 
Pussies! If your knees and shit hurt from doing squats you're doing them wrong in some fashion. Could be something as minor as foot placement or not dropping your ass first on the downward portion of the lift. If your back hurts then your letting the weight travel forward before getting the butt down.

The heavier the weight the closer I pull my arms towards my shoulders to control the weight....and pluse I might want to get out from under it in a hurry.

Tood, have you tried it with padding of some form?

not necessarily true, often squats aggravate previous injuries, or over time the weights get so heavy that it starts to cause degenerative damage to knees or back. I've had both of those things happen to me...I've got videos around here of me squatting 500lbs for easy reps in great form, yet I have all kind of injuries that bother me
for the original question, also make sure you dont train shoulders or chest the day before, I find squatting the day after those workouts bother my rotator cuffs
 
Only easy rule to remember well one huge one put the bar as far back try get the bar on your traps squat like that, take a little wider stance and point the toes out and its a lot these prone to injury you can do more weight too and quads get big.
 
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