Started Clomid........................

Nah....
TRT most likely. Feel ok though still....the hcg probably woke up my leydigs better than last time. Ran labs today.
 
APOLLON said:
If Androxal is approved and released it may due all the good stuff clomid does without the sides. Only drawback is it will be a new drug with little track record.
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Ya i heard about that stuff, i just cant even take the sides from Clomid, its too bad, even at 50.
 
Schredder said:
Ya i heard about that stuff, i just cant even take the sides from Clomid, its too bad, even at 50.
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That shit acts like Estradiol bro. 4 hours after taking it I started feeling my pulses in my neck beat faster, loss of appetite that evening, couldn't go to sleep till 4 am and woke up after 5 hours. Never noticed anythibg else just felt really alert like anxious but not anxiety....it was like ephedrine like...
Next day in mid afternoon felt nasty headache come on that lasted all through my workout into evening...
I could try going 12.5 mg ED but I dont think I want to.
I do feel the HCG did sonething all these months. Feel better coming off this time than 2 years ago when I only ran HCG for 2 months at lower doses.
I hit 550/ng dl TT on this HCG....
So balls were stimulated some.
I went for labs today. 9 days after last HCG shot...
 
Androxal should be approved by late 2014/early 2015..
They are halfway done the 3rd testing trial now.
 
Felt my pulses in my neck beating quicker than usual next day when I went for run, a little off balance too and sort of dizzy. Must be the estradiol elevation from the 50 mg dose...
Feel fine after 2-3 days of letting it wash out.
 
Ya i can notice it after one dose, and its get much more intense and dark the longer i stay on. I cruise after cycles now because the mental and emotional roller coasters are far too much for me to take anymore.
 
Schredder said:
Ya i can notice it after one dose, and its get much more intense and dark the longer i stay on. I cruise after cycles now because the mental and emotional roller coasters are far too much for me to take anymore.
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"Dark"?
Sounds horrible. I can see from your pic....lol
That muscle wasn't put on with serms....lol
How hypo do you think you are if you had to get baselines if a doc ever told you to come off?
Do you keep away from HCG too?
 
When I say dark, I mean anxiety, depression, always down, thoughts of sadness all day long, just a really gross bad feeling that I prefer to stay away from now. I know Clomid can cause these side effects, but for me personally they are far too much for me to handle bro. So I made the decision to stay 'on' to benefit my life. (long story attached to the decision, but I wont get into all the details) I don't want the ups and downs.

Anyways enough about that. I think that if I were to come off completely I would be shutdown for sure, how hypo? Itd be only a guess to be honest, lol. I haven't ran HCG in a while, Im getting bloodwork done in a few weeks to see where everything sits, I might hop on HCG when I drop my dose down again, but that's up in the air and just an idea I had.
 
I hear you. How long were you on clomid Shredder?
How do you feel on nolva? Its an lh stimulator as well.
 
I ran it for 4 week course the last time I did a PCT. This was the amount of time I would always run if for. 50mg ED, the last time near the end I dropped it to 25mg ED due to sides but they didn't subside at all, lol.

Nolvadex doesn't affect me mentally at all, I honestly don't notice Im even taking it.

HCG as well. Actually HCG makes me feel really good when I have taken it in the past.
 
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Those guys that handle clomid ED for months are super humans...lol
No doubt you felt the side effects amplified at 50 mg ED vs. The 25 mg ED.
How was sleep on it ?
Need I ask?
 
APOLLON said:
Those guys that handle clomid ED for months are super humans...lol
No doubt you felt the side effects amplified at 50 mg ED vs. The 25 mg ED.
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Oh man its something alright, lol.

I was doing some thinking the last little bit and we know the benefits of HCG on cycle, but there isn't much I can find on Nolvadex on cycle other than it doing what we know it to do; prevent gyno. What are your thoughts on running a HCG/Nolva combo on cycle to help the recovery process afterward? HCG keeping the testes functioning and Nolva stimulating LH during a cycle, would this not make sense? not saying its something I will or wont do, just a thought.
 
I read something on another board in a thread labelled Tamoxifen profile saying that the 2 would work great.
I alway wanted to run it with HCG mono. I've seen published findings that in a greek study where nolva raised FSH to 7.7...
Thats damn good. Problem is I think I elevated my liver enzymes after I discontinued it. I ran 20 mg Nolva for 3 months if I remember properly....
Never measured LH/FSH though or T.
 
From what I read in that trial men were given Nolva 20 mg/day for 3-6 months and then 20 mg Nolva with 120 mg Andriol daily. Their FSH in both groups was higher but the ones that used 20 mg Nolva daily with Andriol got higher Test levels and higher FSH.
FSH is important for T recovery as well.
 
my dr put me on klonopin a while back due to e2/mood swings/anxiety/and depression..it helped me tremendously while on clomid..but I havent taken clomid in a while :)
 
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