Starting first cycle in 2 weeks please critique

[robbocopp]

second that ... minimum 500mgs / week of testosterone

but, WHY isn't anyone telling this guy to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from week 2-10 ???

first it would add another 600-900ng/dL of testosterone NATURALLY produced so your gains would be bigger

second, it would keep your nuts from shrinking or stopping (at the very least)

third, it would make recovery easier and A LOT faster - and IMPLICITLY you would keep more of your gains.

HCG from week 2 to week 10 - take last shot about 5 days AFTER your last testosterone injection. 2x/week -- 250-350IU's/injection. (can go up to 3x per week max).

 

[SouthernCross28]

Thanks for all the input guys, especially Jamy. I have adjusted my diet accordingly and cant wait to start. I will be pushing my start time back to late Jan but will keep regular updates on here when I'm on cycle.

As far as the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) goes as stated in above threads i cant get hold of any as my dr wont prescribe it unless i show low test levels so i will have to wait till week 4 to go in and have a blood test then get it.

Appreciate everyones input, speak to you all in a few weeks.

 

[3J]

np bud.. but i still recommend you post up a detailed diet with macros so we know your eating the right stuff at the right time..

 

[austar]

LOL..

yes, yes,, i guess i was being vague...


anything under 150g of carbohydrates and your liver starts producing glycogen...

so unless your running keto, dont run under 150g of carbs...


as for running at 100g for three weeks and then changing it up.. im sure someone who doesn't know about insulin sensetivity and carbohydrate tolerence would say that...

your body gets used to eating those 100g of carbs.. when u up the carbs what do you think is going to happen?? you'll begin to gain weight... put fat on..

the premise of the situation is that the OP wants to lose fat... not to say that his current direction is gonna do that for him.. but that's what these forums are here for... to fix issues.. answer questions..

i would think a carb cycling approach would better fit his needs... but yet again im gonna need his TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) through his BMR (basil meatbolic rate)...

i completely disagree....

I was refering to cycling carbs as well. I used refeed two days a week but lost too much muscle that way. I found 2-3 days low carbs then 2 days medium and then 1-2 days high carbs. I kept the protein the same1.5/lbs. That worked well for me.

 

[SouthernCross28]

Hi guys, here is a sample diet plan i have made up. I do shift work so it may vary but i will try and stick to it and just change the meals and times.

Meal 1. Protein Shake with Milk, 9 Egg Whites ( 250ml ), 10g Almond Spread

Meal 2. Protein Shake with Milk W/Dextrose PWO

Meal 3. 250g Rice with 300g Chicken Breast PPWO

Meal 4. 250g Rice with 280g Tuna

Meal 5. Protein Shake with Milk, 10g Almond Spread

Meal 6. 9 Egg Whites ( 250ml )


It is a total of 3280 Cals ED comprising of-

PROTEIN - 322g
CARBS - 304.2g
FAT - 81.7g

Which is just about 40/40/20

Will be eating every 3 hours with the exception of PPWO which is half an hour after PWO. What do you guys think?

Should i swap MEAL 4 and 5 so i am spreading out the rice and carbs more?

 

[dialtone]

the HB formula does not count out the fat on your body... i would use a diff formula


370 + (21.6 x lbm in kg)

if your having a hard time with this let me know.. ill break it down for you..

as for your macros and your total intake, i dont know why your eating so damn much, but wont be able to say so for sure untill you give me your TDEE

im getting a little sick of bmr/tdee on every post 3j. this is the anabolic forum...keep the dieting tips in the diet forum or ill start moving them for you. and the guy asked about cycle advice, hit him up on pm if you want to critique his diet.

 

[3J]

as a mod i would think you would support people getting their diets in check before they start cycling... humm.....

interesting..

 

[dialtone]

i also like to keep this place organized with the right information in the right places so our members can access it easily when they would like to know something.

 

[3J]

so if a member were to have a high bodyfat and come here asking him for gear, you wouldn't want to help him out with diet advice instead??

my purpose is to give people the info they NEED, not the info they want...

dont take it offensivly or anything like that..

the guy gave an estimate of 18% body fat.. so if it's an estimate its usually lower (through optimism of the self) then what it really is..

so you think this guy should be getting gear advice or diet advice, regardless of where he posts???

 

[3J]

also, seeing as how he did the math wrong, used the wrong formula, and is very very interested in getting his diet checked out, i would say it calls for diet advice...


didn't mean to romp on your "territorial organization"

 

[dialtone]

1. plenty of people have high body fat on cycle. if they want to lose weight, then of course dieting advice would be helpful. but you do not have to be lean to use drugs.
2. your purpose is the same as the other 113,000 members, to ask questions, provide insight and respect the board and other members...including mods.
3. he posts here for anabolic advice, not diet
4. i agree he needs diet advice, but that is what the diet forum and/or pm's are for.
5. this is not the first time you have done this

keep it in the diet forum or you'll start seeing your posts saying something different than what you originally posted.

 

[3J]

1. plenty of people have high body fat on cycle. if they want to lose weight, then of course dieting advice would be helpful. but you do not have to be lean to use drugs.
2. your purpose is the same as the other 113,000 members, to ask questions, provide insight and respect the board and other members...including mods.
3. he posts here for anabolic advice, not diet
4. i agree he needs diet advice, but that is what the diet forum and/or pm's are for.
5. this is not the first time you have done this

keep it in the diet forum or you'll start seeing your posts saying something different than what you originally posted.

i know your well aware of the risks when running gear at high bf... im used to telling people to stay away from gear untill they hit 15%.. no matter where they post... i guess u dont agree with that..

dont worry bud.. ill stay of your turf...

that's less advice being given out by people who know better.. nice...

 

[jjtattoofreak]

I dont think d tone is trying to say its a turf thing mayne, and we all know you got great intentions, its just that if you switch up threads where they arent supposed to be all the newbs will think it ok too post wherever and then everything will be a mess.. The rules are in place for a reason and that reason is why this place is so great, not like the other places I have seen. This is one reason I chose ology...

 

[3J]

I dont think d tone is trying to say its a turf thing mayne, and we all know you got great intentions, its just that if you switch up threads where they arent supposed to be all the newbs will think it ok too post wherever and then everything will be a mess.. The rules are in place for a reason and that reason is why this place is so great, not like the other places I have seen. This is one reason I chose ology...

not to say that your point isn't well jj.... but someone who knows better then to give out gear advice to someone who is overweight, underage, or anything of that sort is horribly irresponsible.. especially from a mod..

where i learned everything i know, we dont work that way...

he's giving off the premise that this place works that way.. that such adivce is given out here.. one can easily presume through this thread...


so if the person is overweight, what do you say to him?? go fuck off?? we're just not gonna help you??

or do you say, hey maybe you should put down the gear and get your diet and training in check.. here, let me help you with that...

now whether you tell him to go to the diet section or help him here doesn't really make a diff, as long as you follow up..

i tend to work people in threads like this cuz they usually dont end up in the diet section.. they dont understand the importance of it..

when they are here, they are commited to their thread.... more likely to listen to my advice, more like to make lifestyle changes...

but hey, im the new guy here... ill follow what the "mod" said... even though he was horribly disrepectful in saying it... using phrases like "im getting a little sick of.." just because your a mod doesn't mean you dont have to show due respect.. your not god.. your just a guy whos been given a position on a forum cuz you presumably know better..

dont abuse your power bud... this is nothing more the forum.. try to remember that..

we're here trying to do the same thing.. help people..

so in the future show a little more curtosy.. u got something to say to me.. pm me, just as you tell me to pm others... take your own advice...

regardless, ill keep my troubling advice out of the q and a section.. so fat people can go ahead and fuck up ther hpta and get bitch tits in the process...

 

[3J]

Hi guys, here is a sample diet plan i have made up. I do shift work so it may vary but i will try and stick to it and just change the meals and times.

Meal 1. Protein Shake with Milk, 9 Egg Whites ( 250ml ), 10g Almond Spread

Meal 2. Protein Shake with Milk W/Dextrose PWO

Meal 3. 250g Rice with 300g Chicken Breast PPWO

Meal 4. 250g Rice with 280g Tuna

Meal 5. Protein Shake with Milk, 10g Almond Spread

Meal 6. 9 Egg Whites ( 250ml )


It is a total of 3280 Cals ED comprising of-

PROTEIN - 322g
CARBS - 304.2g
FAT - 81.7g

Which is just about 40/40/20

Will be eating every 3 hours with the exception of PPWO which is half an hour after PWO. What do you guys think?

Should i swap MEAL 4 and 5 so i am spreading out the rice and carbs more?

to the OP.. i apologize for the thread hijack...


since we're having issues here, i recommend we finish this either with pm's or you post up in the diet section (btw thats wayyyy too many shakes in your diet.. we have a coupla things to fix regardless)

 

[the Dragon]

i know your well aware of the risks when running gear at high bf... im used to telling people to stay away from gear untill they hit 15%.. no matter where they post... i guess u dont agree with that..

Mate, could you tell me what is the possible implication of running gear when over 15%BF?

 

[3J]

Mate, could you tell me what is the possible implication of running gear when over 15%BF?

higher levels of fat in the body = higher levels of estrogen...

a higher bf person aromatizes test into estrogen much more then someone with a lower body fat...

Testosterone binds to an enzyme called aromatase which converts it to estrogen. This enzyme is usually present in adipose tissue (fat), so fat people will experience higher estrogen levels usually.


im looking for the article as we speak...

the gold standard is 15%.. im not saying you cant do gear at a higher bf.. im saying that's where u wanna be to play it safe...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I ran test at 20 percent-it was kick ass-i got way stronger and ended up lighter-and shredded fat-if ur over 15 or so-just use a good AI

 

[3J]

I ran test at 20 percent-it was kick ass-i got way stronger and ended up lighter-and shredded fat-if ur over 15 or so-just use a good AI

that's good advice..

yet if your at 20% then something is wrong with your diet and training routine... it's like a nazi philosophy that's been drilled into my head...

like i said, its not that you CANT use gear at a higher bf.. it's just not as safe, and your just not as likely to keep your gains..

dont take it personally though.. i started doing gear at a high bodyfat myself and got away with it..

i just feel obligated to give the best advice..

 

[the Dragon]

second that ... minimum 500mgs / week of testosterone

but, WHY isn't anyone telling this guy to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from week 2-10 ???

first it would add another 600-900ng/dL of testosterone NATURALLY produced so your gains would be bigger

second, it would keep your nuts from shrinking or stopping (at the very least)

third, it would make recovery easier and A LOT faster - and IMPLICITLY you would keep more of your gains.

HCG from week 2 to week 10 - take last shot about 5 days AFTER your last testosterone injection. 2x/week -- 250-350IU's/injection. (can go up to 3x per week max).

Hope no-one feels I am jacking their thread but I think this relates to the discussion.

How much is 600-900ng/dL added to Test E 500mg/EW? I am like the SouthernCross28 here, I was thinking of doing only 250mg/EW but I am gonna do now 500mg/EW, I want to do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to keep my boys working and to recover and keep gains better. Then wherever I read about the drug gonadotrophin it states that it raises blood pressure severely and increases aromatasation, so what sort of an BP increase can one expect really? I got a pretty good stat of 120/60 standing so I am not worried, it can go up but how much might we see it increase