THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
great thread keep it comin!
Starting my First Cycle of Var.....
- Thread starter Sweet-E
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tazman03
What the Duece.... ?!?!
No contest diet, just a good round about diet to help her build some leaner muscle and lean out towards the end of cycle and continue with a good overall diet to maintain postcycle.
I did indeed wonder about switching brands. Do still have enough for her to run full cycle with the AX. May just bail on the idea of switching.
In respect to someone who knows a women's body better than I do in terms of cycling, maybe just drop it back down to 7.5 again. I kinda thought the sides would flare up anything above 10mg.... but I guess better to be safe then sorry.
Really appreciate the great advice and input MM, and everyone else.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
getting any better gains/pumps? what are you running ED now?
Sweet-E
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end of week 5 and im taking 12.5mg on training days and 10mg none training days!
Im seeing my weight go up in the gym and just a little muscle tone in my body but still waiting to see more results! My boyfriend and I think the var we have is under dosed! But still happy with it and no side affects!! I'll keep you posted!
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Miss Muscle
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end of week 5 and im taking 12.5mg on training days and 10mg none training days!
Im seeing my weight go up in the gym and just a little muscle tone in my body but still waiting to see more results! My boyfriend and I think the var we have is under dosed! But still happy with it and no side affects!! I'll keep you posted!
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How many weeks are you planning to run it? Also...no side effects at all? That is great news! I would say you could even dare to bump it up a little bit more if you want but that is up to you of course.
tazman03
What the Duece.... ?!?!
agreed 100%. Acne was all. Actually toned down for her now. But honostly there is no way they can be a full 10mg per pill. just my two cents tough. We had planned a 10 week cycle that including 2 weeks to taper off. Being a first time AAS user, plus diet on point, we are not seeing much other than slight strength increase.
Personally I bumped mine up to 70mg daily and then stated noticing things. why we jumped it to 12.5 for her on training days in hopes maybe she is getting atleast a full 5-8 mg daily.
Only week 5 of her cycle, but we are thinking something a little more potent next time around. So far kinda dissapointed as far as her gains. I can vouche she is putting in the sweat and tears at the gym, so make your own opinions.......
Miss Muscle
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I think it must be her diet hurting her. How much does she weight and how many calories is she intaking currently?
tazman03
What the Duece.... ?!?!
Curently at 111 'ish.... cals running around 2,000.
Thinking cut them down, add little more cardio?
or she not consuming enough.....?
Miss Muscle
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Aaahhh....if she wants to cut some more she needs to now start cutting calories a bit. This was good for awhile but she has lost weight. I suggest drop cals in increments of 100 cals and see how she does. Try a drop of 100 cals for a week and if she needs to drop more take away another 100 cals the next week.
She doesn't need a drastic drop.....just a couple hundred calories should be fine for now....and preferably drop it in a carb source.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
hope the change in dose helps!
Miss Muscle
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The only problem with this is that you won't know if it is the anavar addition, loss of cals or both that is causing the effects.
Just monitor yourself carefully for any side effects.
I think you will see a change from this....it is quite significant.
tazman03
What the Duece.... ?!?!
Ok, heres what we are looking at.......
Start weight was 108'ish
we are 6 weeks in the cycle (her 1st EVER AAS cycle)
Eating close to 2,200 cals a day. Mainly protien and clean carbs.
After 6 weeks she is floating around 111-112. If she doesnt eat as much on one day or slacks in her diet because of being tired of just not feeling good, she drops right back down to around 109-110..
a FIRST timer taking 10mg of anavar a day would expect to see a little more I would think....... correct?
Something doesn't add up. She isnt going up or down in weight. (or so it seems) The slight increase is due to the diet. This is the reason we bumped it up to the 20mg.
If it is legitimate anavar, it is seriously under dosed.
I figured dropping the cals a little would help her to at least lean out even if the Anavar is bunk. HOWEVER, at 20mg a day, she ought to start noticing gains regardless of her diet.
That or i am expecting to much from anavar in itself... But from all the post I have read, such as Woroutbarbies, she said she was up 9lbs on a 1300 cal diet with as little as what 5 or 10mg...??
Start weight was 108'ish
we are 6 weeks in the cycle (her 1st EVER AAS cycle)
Eating close to 2,200 cals a day. Mainly protien and clean carbs.
After 6 weeks she is floating around 111-112. If she doesnt eat as much on one day or slacks in her diet because of being tired of just not feeling good, she drops right back down to around 109-110..
a FIRST timer taking 10mg of anavar a day would expect to see a little more I would think....... correct?
Something doesn't add up. She isnt going up or down in weight. (or so it seems) The slight increase is due to the diet. This is the reason we bumped it up to the 20mg.
If it is legitimate anavar, it is seriously under dosed.
I figured dropping the cals a little would help her to at least lean out even if the Anavar is bunk. HOWEVER, at 20mg a day, she ought to start noticing gains regardless of her diet.
That or i am expecting to much from anavar in itself... But from all the post I have read, such as Woroutbarbies, she said she was up 9lbs on a 1300 cal diet with as little as what 5 or 10mg...??
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Miss Muscle
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Ok.
You guys have no specific goals. You want to gain and then lose and then gain and then lose. You are looking to gain muscle and lean out at the same time which is obviously NOT going to happen.
I don't believe she was ready for this cycle.
Before doing a cycle make sure you are content with what will happen.
WHAT does Sweet-E want from this cycle? More muscle or less fat? Choose one and only one!
I think the diet on this cycle is what screwed you up.....not underdosed anavar.
Finish the cycle but choose what you want....loss or gain. Then take a break and decide what you want to accomplish from your next cycle.
Also....you can't compare yourself to other people.....everybody will get different results.
Get back to me on what you want to get from these last 4 to 6 weeks and we'll lay out a map and not deviate it from it.
You guys have no specific goals. You want to gain and then lose and then gain and then lose. You are looking to gain muscle and lean out at the same time which is obviously NOT going to happen.
I don't believe she was ready for this cycle.
Before doing a cycle make sure you are content with what will happen.
WHAT does Sweet-E want from this cycle? More muscle or less fat? Choose one and only one!
I think the diet on this cycle is what screwed you up.....not underdosed anavar.
Finish the cycle but choose what you want....loss or gain. Then take a break and decide what you want to accomplish from your next cycle.
Also....you can't compare yourself to other people.....everybody will get different results.
Get back to me on what you want to get from these last 4 to 6 weeks and we'll lay out a map and not deviate it from it.
Miss Muscle
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Also....don't forget the importance of essential fats!
tazman03
What the Duece.... ?!?!
my point was this. 6 weeks in on a 2,200 calorie diet and she didnt gain (OR LOOSE) anything. The weight she did gain was indeed from her DIET alone.
Unless she just wasnt consuming enough and was just at that "maintenance level". then this I would understand.
Back to our original plan was this. feed her more than enough calories (or what we calculated to be enough) for the first half of the cycle in order to make 100% sure she was getting enough nutrients on cycle to gain a little muscle. Then taper the calories down to help her lean down a bit towards the end of cycle. She isnt trying to gain then loose then gain again and loose it...... We have tried this one way which does not seem to be working. So instead of going through the entire cycle doing the same thing that isnt working, we are going to drop the calories a bit and see what happens. I dont see how this is wrong?
In my opinion what we are about to do is fine. I have done this before and it has worked fine. I know everyone is different. When I bulk I eat way over my calorie needs obviously. my last month or so, I would taper down to help shed the excess fat. I dont understand how putting this into effect with her is wrong by any means....... I am not trying to argue with you or sound like an ass at all. If I come accross that way I really am sorry. Understand that I get frustrated because she is relaying her thoughts to me and getting irritated that things are not going as planned, then I post it and I get it from this end to.... lol Not that Im mad, I am just really trying to help her.
As far as next cycle goes..... she wants to bulk towards the end of winter. She has no problem eating the added calories and putting on extra weight in the winter. I thought we laid that out already. I know she is jumping the gun by trying to plan the next cycle, but I cant moderate what she does, lol. As much as I would like to sometimes, it isnt gonna happen. She is just trying to gather info is all.
Unless she just wasnt consuming enough and was just at that "maintenance level". then this I would understand.
Back to our original plan was this. feed her more than enough calories (or what we calculated to be enough) for the first half of the cycle in order to make 100% sure she was getting enough nutrients on cycle to gain a little muscle. Then taper the calories down to help her lean down a bit towards the end of cycle. She isnt trying to gain then loose then gain again and loose it...... We have tried this one way which does not seem to be working. So instead of going through the entire cycle doing the same thing that isnt working, we are going to drop the calories a bit and see what happens. I dont see how this is wrong?
In my opinion what we are about to do is fine. I have done this before and it has worked fine. I know everyone is different. When I bulk I eat way over my calorie needs obviously. my last month or so, I would taper down to help shed the excess fat. I dont understand how putting this into effect with her is wrong by any means....... I am not trying to argue with you or sound like an ass at all. If I come accross that way I really am sorry. Understand that I get frustrated because she is relaying her thoughts to me and getting irritated that things are not going as planned, then I post it and I get it from this end to.... lol Not that Im mad, I am just really trying to help her.
As far as next cycle goes..... she wants to bulk towards the end of winter. She has no problem eating the added calories and putting on extra weight in the winter. I thought we laid that out already. I know she is jumping the gun by trying to plan the next cycle, but I cant moderate what she does, lol. As much as I would like to sometimes, it isnt gonna happen. She is just trying to gather info is all.
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Miss Muscle
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Bulking and then cutting on a cycle is rather pointless because a cycle is not long enough to do both. 6 weeks of each almost defeats the purpose.
If you want to do that than so be it but expect minimal results. Most people don't even SEE results until 4 to 6 weeks in a cycle....solid results.
You have to do what works for you but I'm not surprised there is no change. Much to much manipulations throughout. People have to be patient and give things time....alot of time.
6 weeks on 2200 calorie diet....you won't see much...it's usually a maintenance point for most people. If I recall Sweet-E was seeing results...at the beginning of this thread. She was tighter and had gained weight.
Going back and rereading this thread you were all over the place. You wanted to lean then gain then lean than gain. I never noticed as I just responded to the thread that had been recently posted but looking through this whole thread it's ridiculous.
CHOOSE one and stick with it for 12 weeks. If you aren't leaning out drop more cals...if you aren't gaining enough muscle add a few more cals. You can manipulate the anavar as well but not till later on in the cycle preferably.
For next cycle choose one and stick to it. Gaining muscle and leaning out back to back will take away all your gains.
If you want to do that than so be it but expect minimal results. Most people don't even SEE results until 4 to 6 weeks in a cycle....solid results.
You have to do what works for you but I'm not surprised there is no change. Much to much manipulations throughout. People have to be patient and give things time....alot of time.
6 weeks on 2200 calorie diet....you won't see much...it's usually a maintenance point for most people. If I recall Sweet-E was seeing results...at the beginning of this thread. She was tighter and had gained weight.
Going back and rereading this thread you were all over the place. You wanted to lean then gain then lean than gain. I never noticed as I just responded to the thread that had been recently posted but looking through this whole thread it's ridiculous.
CHOOSE one and stick with it for 12 weeks. If you aren't leaning out drop more cals...if you aren't gaining enough muscle add a few more cals. You can manipulate the anavar as well but not till later on in the cycle preferably.
For next cycle choose one and stick to it. Gaining muscle and leaning out back to back will take away all your gains.
Sweet-E
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Sorry, He has never helped a woman before, so with the increase in cals thought we would see some muscle gains!! since we really haven't seen anything except stronger in the gym, and we are close to the end of the cycle he figured why not try to lean out and maybe we would see some nice lean muscles that way that's all! This is a trial and error cycle for both of us since he has never helped a woman and for me being my first time! Just trying to find out what we are doing wrong and what we should be doing next time, and wondering if the var is full strength!(which we don't think it) Sorry for the inquisitions!
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