Test and prop cut/strength log

[Bulldog2103]

Interesting regarding the nolva, i've never heard that. I went with clomid but am not sure of its impact on igf production. I assume it will lower dramatically anyway once off test but it definitely would be nice to keep it at its maximal level for pct.

Dude, the letrozole kicked in fast and is stripping away some water weight, i'm feeling more vascular already. I hope the exemestane does the trick.

 

[MN87]

Yeah I'm still waiting for my Aromasin to really make a statement. I am two pounds lighter than when I began dosing last Saturday but that don't mean shit to me. At this weight I don't look particularly bloated but don't look as lean as I should either... I'm currently carrying 6-8 pounds of bloat that I didn't otherwise have when my cycle began.

Had to squeeze in a quick workout before july 4th merriments. Had a few PRs but my most notable was 225x29 on flat End of my workout too! I was originally aiming for 30 by August, but shit, at this rate I should be well above that come August. Really happy about that... my strength has been seeing steady and slow increases, but interestingly enough seems like my endurance has reaped the biggest benefit thus far

 

[Bulldog2103]

29????? Damn, i'll have to see what I hit this coming saturday. I usually save that weight for my last set and can usually get mid 20's. You may be shooting for 35+ by august. Hell, maybe more then that. The strongest dudes in the nfl lift in the 40 range so that is mighty impressive\, especially at your bodyweight. That is ELITE!!!!

 

[MN87]

I would really like to begin experimenting with an E2D lifting routine (instead of my current E3D routine) either beginning this weekend or next week. I've done this successfully in the past when natural but only for a limited amount of time before my lifts began plateauing. So, if my lifts begin to plateau, I'll go back to E3D. E2D would probably mean I'd have to lower training volume, so I'd have to figure that out too.

Will probably order some Ipam/Mod GRF later tonight. I'll probably start on it to coincide with my switch in programs. Still researching MGF.

 

[MN87]

Day 8 on 25mg Aromasin and yet my weight has not moved since I began it. Da fuq? Since I started running it 2 weeks into the cycle it probably won't do anything for the test that has already aromatized into estro... so I guess I have to wait for that estro to clear my system before I see my weight drop. I ordered the exemestane from Research Stop, which I had NEVER seen poor reviews about. I'll give this stuff a week or two before I start looking elsewhere... probably GWP. Anyone have any input?

Today's workout was aiight. PR of the day was 325 x 10 on flat, and my DB inclines have seen consistent increases. I'm dissatisfied with the lack of progress on my squats though, so I will be changing a few things up with my routine.

Start of week 4 on Monday cycle is flying by. Haven't started Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) yet but may this week.

 

[MN87]

I've also decided to inject only into my quads from now on. I get pretty inflamed after I pin the prop and this takes away from my definition... I don't care if my quad definition suffers since they're usually covered up, but I do care about my shoulder definition since I wear a lot of sleeveless stuff. Won't pin my ass because I'm afraid the PIP would hamper my workouts when I need to sit and stuff.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Day 8 on 25mg Aromasin and yet my weight has not moved since I began it. Da fuq? Since I started running it 2 weeks into the cycle it probably won't do anything for the test that has already aromatized into estro... so I guess I have to wait for that estro to clear my system before I see my weight drop. I ordered the exemestane from Research Stop, which I had NEVER seen poor reviews about. I'll give this stuff a week or two before I start looking elsewhere... probably GWP. Anyone have any input?

Today's workout was aiight. PR of the day was 325 x 10 on flat, and my DB inclines have seen consistent increases. I'm dissatisfied with the lack of progress on my squats though, so I will be changing a few things up with my routine.

Start of week 4 on Monday cycle is flying by. Haven't started Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) yet but may this week.

I always roll with rui, the sponsor here. Also, from what I understand of test and Anavar (var) cycles, your weight will pretty much remain steady and you may even gain a few pounds, however you should be dropping bodyfat fairly significantly.

 

[MN87]

True dat, but my weight settled out at 193 about 10 days into my cycle and really hasn't moved much since then. Definitely didn't gain 10 pounds of muscle in 10 days... plus my cheekbones are not as prominent as they usually are due to the water. My face is usually like a 9.9 outta 10, but with this bloat it's only like a 9.75 outta 10, nomsayin?

That being said, despite the weight gain, I can def see vascularity and leanness that I didn't have before

 

[Down Unda Thunda]

Other random thoughts:

Just wanna say that it was a fucking bitch propping up the dumbells on my legs on my inclines; the PIP pain was kinda bad as it is, but having a 125 pound dumbbell thud against your aching muscle really fuckin hurts

Eventually Id like to test the limits of my recovery abilities on cycle and change my lift frequency from e3d to e2d. I'd probably decrease volume to pull that off, but my rate of strength gains would skyrocket if it works But w that kind of frequency Id have to worry about injury prevention too

I really hope that this cycle will allow me to recomp since it's my first cycle and I'm only cutting at 250 cals below maintenance. Other than tren I think the compounds and doses I chose would be conducive for this goal. I know that strength =/= size, but I think if I add some strength to my lifts it'll translate to at least SOME muscle even if I'm cutting.

When my weight loss plateaus, I may cut another 250 cals/day and ride that out to the end of my cycle; dont plan on cutting more than that. That will probably get me to where I wanna be if Im not already there. Will probably transition into a slight bulk during post cycle therapy (pct) by increasing protein intake... although I might have to add more sooner if I start gaining alotta lean mass on this cut

Brother this is PAIN I FEEL!! When you slam the db's down on your quads Ive started to actually get used to it but it rips a new one for the first three or so weeks, best of luck from a fellow p'lifter.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah man, PIP and heavy weights will definitely test your tolerance. I find though that it pisses me off just enough to squeeze an extra rep or two out. Just try not to beat up the little guppy fish around you when they break protocol and distract you. I always say there are sharks in the water and the guppies better hide, but I guess that's what lifting big weights and being alpha does.

 

[MN87]

Start of my 4th week and I just took my first shot of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 250... my balls haven't really changed size but I wanted to err on the side of caution. Mighta fucked up the dosing and mixing although I think I prob got it, but we'll see all depending on the size of my nuts these next few weeks

Presses again tomorrow

 

[MN87]

PRs today:

MP: 205x7
DB inc on low incline: 135x7
BB inc: 285x9
Flat: 335x6 (hit the pins though which fucked my set up)

Need to work my tris/lockout ALOT more... but this cycle I'm focusing moreso on shoulder strength. September and onward will involve more tri emphasis

Also looking into diuretics as a temporary solution to this bloat... just trying to bring my A game for some events I got coming up these next few days

 

[MN87]

Bought some diurex lol

Gonna order a different batch of Aromasin, this time from GWP probably. Maybe some letro as well. 9 days in and not a fucken god damn change in bloat so far, the fuck is that about

 

[Bulldog2103]

How are the quad injects going? I imagine that would have some severe PIP attached to it. For me, glutes are best. It absolutely crushes my thighs, which makes leg day doubly fun.

 

[MN87]

I would do glutes but I'm afraid the PIP would kill me when sitting down for certain exercises... do you get that at all?

Sticking to quad pinning has been a great decision so far... I pin EOD and its not too hard to find fresh spots every time. The PIP isn't 'cumulative', either. Might start pinning higher on my quads though as opposed to lower to move the inflammation spot higher on my leg... I bought some pretty faggy European cut board shorts (cut halfway up my legs) that I'm just itching to wear out lol

The diurex sucks btw. Oh, and hit 475x5 on squats last time... press w/o tomorrow

 

[Bulldog2103]

The glute shots have been great for me, much better then the thigh. It's sore for about a day and a half but not the type of soreness that hurts when sitting or squatting. I'm hitting the upper right side of the cheeks and it only is sensitive to the touch, not when exercising.

For me the thighs would definitely impact leg day, and I imagine the quads would be a bitch. Squatting 475 after pinning the thigh the day before would not be a possibility for me. Now that i've switched over, there are no problems.

Yeah man, I wouldn't mess with diuretics, I imagine that would dry you out and kill your joints when lifting heavy. I'd table that until post cycle if at all. Good luck with the board shorts, we bodybuilders have nice legs too!

 

[MN87]

That's interesting man, I always assumed by default that ass shots would hurt when sitting, but it makes sense that you'd shoot up the sides and it won't affect you. I know I said the quad shots weren't effecting me, but today that changed... I did tried some DB inclines and that shit was EXCRUCIATING (PRed on 135x8 though ). That being said, I'm definitely gonna explore the glute shots ... I have some 23g's so I may as well use em.

I will probably start peptides tomorrow.

THINGS I'VE LEARNED FROM MY CYCLE SO FAR
- Research Stop may as well be bunk. Never again. I saw that it had never gotten any negative reviews on other websites, so I figured it was good to go. After starting dosing, I noticed that they were former steroidology sponsors and that their names are now censored on this website...politics, maybe... but that being said I'm switching over to GWP exemestane starting tomorrow... if this doesn't work I will just swear off research chems altogether (which I probably should've done in the first place)

- next cycle I will start dosing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) 2 weeks before I begin my first pin, just to avoid bloat in the first place.

- next cycle I will also start HCG with my first pin, just because research I've conducted since my cycle began indicates that it is truly the best way to run it... ball size was more or less unaffected thus far though

- speaking of sides, I really don't get a whole lot other than bloat at 500/wk. No acne, body hair, nothing... I wonder how 700 would treat me (I AM actually thinking of bumping to 700 this cycle, but NOT till I get a functional AI)

- will not buy Nolva again. I don't care if Clomid makes me emotional during post cycle therapy (pct), but the fact that Nolva lowers IGF levels to me is really unacceptable.

 

[Bulldog2103]

That's interesting man, I always assumed by default that ass shots would hurt when sitting, but it makes sense that you'd shoot up the sides and it won't affect you. I know I said the quad shots weren't effecting me, but today that changed... I did tried some DB inclines and that shit was EXCRUCIATING (PRed on 135x8 though ). That being said, I'm definitely gonna explore the glute shots ... I have some 23g's so I may as well use em.

I will probably start peptides tomorrow.

THINGS I'VE LEARNED FROM MY CYCLE SO FAR
- Research Stop may as well be bunk. Never again. I saw that it had never gotten any negative reviews on other websites, so I figured it was good to go. After starting dosing, I noticed that they were former steroidology sponsors and that their names are now censored on this website...politics, maybe... but that being said I'm switching over to GWP exemestane starting tomorrow... if this doesn't work I will just swear off research chems altogether (which I probably should've done in the first place)

- next cycle I will start dosing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) 2 weeks before I begin my first pin, just to avoid bloat in the first place.

- next cycle I will also start HCG with my first pin, just because research I've conducted since my cycle began indicates that it is truly the best way to run it... ball size was more or less unaffected thus far though

- speaking of sides, I really don't get a whole lot other than bloat at 500/wk. No acne, body hair, nothing... I wonder how 700 would treat me (I AM actually thinking of bumping to 700 this cycle, but NOT till I get a functional AI)

- will not buy Nolva again. I don't care if Clomid makes me emotional during post cycle therapy (pct), but the fact that Nolva lowers IGF levels to me is really unacceptable.

135x8 on the incline is crazy man! But yeah, I will be sticking with the glutes and highly recommend them. Everyone is different buy they by far work best for me. Most of the research sites I assume are bunk based on pricepoints and mixed reviews. I stick with the sponsor here, RUI and they have been good to me, especially when they run that 60% off sale.

Based off of the fact that your sides are minimal I see no reason not to bump it up so that you know what you are getting yourself into next cycle should you decide to go that high. I would suggest stacking with another compund for a synergistic effect. Dude, if you can control the sides I guarantee you that you would fall in love with tren. It's basically the master steroid that will strip off all bodyfat while making you stronger. I'm gonna get me some tren ace so I can run that alongside the prop. My friend used it and he got ridiculous results, and he doesn't train nearly as hard or heavy as we do. It will be pure Beastmode!

 

[MN87]

You read my mind lol I've been looking at high dose tren (+ maintenance test) for my second cycle to be run in January-ish, assuming I'm recovered by then. The reason I've been going so hard with doses/compounds/training is because I'm training for something specific within a years time and really have settled on not doing any more than 2 cycles. If my thing works out, cool, in which case I'd have to look towards stuff like GH, slin, and maybe Test Susp or something on occasion. If not, at least I'll have a great physique a year from now... I mean hell I'm already very satisfied with the way I look as is

Took my first dose 25mg GWP aromasin but am considering either dropping to 12.5mg or going back to the bunk Research Stop exemestane. I plan on fucking pretty thoroughly this week lol so I don't want to take any chances on my shit not being 100% functional

 

[daveduz]

test cyp/var?

quick question for everyone I have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for mos now of about 120-140 mg/week. I just started Anavar (var) the other day and was curious if 25 mg twice a day was sufficient or if I should increase test cyp. or Anavar (var) ? I was going to do 8-10 week cycle of Anavar (var) and continue my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), do u recomend to continue or do post cycle therapy (pct), if so what do u suggest. thanks I. advance.