Test and prop cut/strength log

[MN87]

For testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I'd probably just increase the dose of test during cycle... PCT wouldn't be necessary, just lower back down to your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose. Anavar (var) @ 25 wouldn't do much either way.

485x3 squat today

 

[Bulldog2103]

You read my mind lol I've been looking at high dose tren (+ maintenance test) for my second cycle to be run in January-ish, assuming I'm recovered by then. The reason I've been going so hard with doses/compounds/training is because I'm training for something specific within a years time and really have settled on not doing any more than 2 cycles. If my thing works out, cool, in which case I'd have to look towards stuff like GH, slin, and maybe Test Susp or something on occasion. If not, at least I'll have a great physique a year from now... I mean hell I'm already very satisfied with the way I look as is

Took my first dose 25mg GWP aromasin but am considering either dropping to 12.5mg or going back to the bunk Research Stop exemestane. I plan on fucking pretty thoroughly this week lol so I don't want to take any chances on my shit not being 100% functional

I hear you, I figured since I am messing with hormones, especially nandrolone, king of deca dick that it would be a good time to get an aid as a just in case. I got liquid varden to help but haven't needed it to this point. Everything work out for you in that department?

 

[MN87]

I didn't know what liquid varden was so I had to look it up... interesting. They have some peptides that get you really horny too, those look really fucking interesting to me

My shit's been working pretty well. The test may have marginally increased my libido and performance but it's difficult to qualify. I don't think I'm at risk but I'm pretty well prepared for anything either way. I've been popping V since my teens so I got it all lol, Viagra, Cialis, generics, pills, liquids and some other shit I don't even know wtf it is

Today's PRs:
205x8 SOHP
335x8 BP <-- really happy about how easy my BP progression has gotten, I'm very optimistic to see where I am by cycle's end

 

[Bulldog2103]

I'm thinking of trying cialis, from what I understand it sustains for days as opposed to a few hours so I will stock up on that to have on hand during post cycle therapy (pct) if shit doesn't function right. Good shit on the bench, what does SOHP stand for?

 

[MN87]

^ Standing overhead press

Yeah Cialis will last a few days which is good and bad. If you're settled down it's probably ideal, otherwise you'll be flushed/ have a hard-on for days which sucks sometimes.. so I prefer Viagra

Also wanted to add that I think that HCG has been improving my semen volume, but again, difficult to say

 

[Bulldog2103]

Do you prefer the standing overhead press to the seated? I would imagine it engages the core and overall coordination to balance everything. I've never tried it.

I would imagine that it's entirely possible that hcg would increase semen load as it directly stimulates the testes. So if they were suppressed even just a little then that would make sense at least in my head scientifically.

 

[MN87]

Yeah I do. Actually the reason I switched to standing was because I used to get very lightheaded doing them seated... I even blacked out a few times, and that was a big turn off for me. That being said, my long term goal is to eventually turn my incline DB weight into my seated DB weight (by increasing the notches on the incline bench gradually over time) so hopefully it'll work out better this time around

Come to think of it I wonder why SOHP stands for standing and not seated OHP, since they both start with "s" lol.. maybe I just don't know any better

 

[Bulldog2103]

How are you liking the var these days? I was considering using it in a future cycle so am definitely interested how it is effecting your bodytype since we're probably fairly similar.

 

[MN87]

Can't say much about the strength effects of the var, since I can't distinguish between what prop is doing and what var is doing. That being said, DESPITE being up anywhere from 6-8 pounds of bloat, I am MUCH more vascular than before. Have tons of veins especially showing up in my obliques, chest, and groin area which I've NEVER had before at any leanness... basically trademark var signs.

My abs definition may have also improved since when I began the cycle, which I believe may be due to the fat burning effects of the var.

I also believe I may have put on some lean mass despite being in a caloric deficit, but I won't be able to say for sure until my cycle ends... definitely doing 12 weeks though lol

 

[Bulldog2103]

Sounds like some impressive results. From what i've read about var, the gains are easy to keep so perhaps those new veins are there to stay.

 

[MN87]

I always assumed gain keepability referred to strength and size, not so much vascularity... I assumed that was moreso a biproduct of high blood pressure from the juice. But if it stays, that'd be sick. New veins in my traps, back, and tons of other places too.

I feel like progress is starting to slow down (mildly), but then again it's probably not realistic to assume I'll add a ton of weight every time I lift just cause I'm on something. THAT BEING SAID, I am really giving a lot of thought of bumping the test to at least 700. Many people preach about the first cycle giving the best gains so I want to take advantage of that. Even if that were not the case, though, I would still like to maximize my progress on this cycle. Because of lifestyle changes and other restraints, I really only plan on ever running two cycles in my life... this is one, and the other in the spring. Bumping to 700 would keep me going strong and also possibly allow me to increase lift frequency... which I keep mentioning that I wanna do lol. It's all about assessing how I respond to the side effects

I also got Ipam/Mod-GRF a while back but if I do end up increasing test doses that high, I am considering just saving it for PCT instead.

I better do it soon though, week 6 starts on Monday! I want to be on all my highest doses/compounds by week 7 at the latest so I can get a solid 6 weeks at max capacity.

 

[vovabulary physicist]

I got some tren ace and tren enanthate from biogen gear
i also got test 400 which is a combination of test propionate, enanthate, cypionate
test prop being 25mg/ml-enanthate being 188mg/ml and test cypionate being 180 somthing/ml
the tren ace is 100mg/ml and enanthate 200mg/ml
so far
within my first week
on monday i took the test 400 1ml of each
on tuesday i took tren ace 100mg
and wednsday i took tren enanthate 400mg

its tursday now

my test levels feel normal
i dont really feel any difference
should i be feeling the effects of either of these gears by now
its been 4 days in total

 

[MN87]

I don't have any experience with tren but a good way to figure if the test is kicking in is to gauge your bloat. Once that kicks in, you can probably expect strength to follow... maybe a week later (at least that's how it was for me)

 

[Bulldog2103]

I know at a certain point that too much test brings diminishing returns, in other words more side effects then muscle gain but if you feel "stuck" then it wouldn't hurt to give it a go for a couple of weeks. I still think you should run a tren cycle, it's the best of all worlds, keeping you cut up and still adding the strength element. I'm looking into getting some, combining test prop and tren ace. It should minimize the bloat of the test as well keeping all gains lean.

 

[MN87]

Tren prop + NPP? You sure thats a good idea what with them each being 19-nors? I've heard bad things about running em both at the same time.

May start 700 test Sunday, dunno yet. At this point its probably more a matter of when then whether, lol.

Recent PRs: 485x5 squat, OHP 215x5, those are the real standouts.

 

[MN87]

You know, I'm sitting here re-evaluating and re-evaluating my decision to bump the test dose way up... and honestly bulldog, you may be onto something with your tren idea. I mean if I'm willing to try experimenting, why not? At this point my cause for concern would be that I'm starting week 6 of my cycle on Monday. So lets say I were to get on tren, best case scenario I wouldn't even have it until week 7. I don't plan on doing any longer than a 12 week cycle, and you gotta figure there's a kick in time for tren as well, so I'd be concerned that I'd be wasting my time on the tren since I'd only ultimately end up with only a few weeks truly seeing its effects, if that makes sense. Since I'd have to adjust the doses of my other shit to match, it might honestly be more hastle than its worth at this stage in the game. Know what i mean?

 

[Bulldog2103]

Tren acetate will kick in at the end of the first week so I think you can get a minimum of 4 solid weeks with it, and from what I hear you will be more then satisfied. For guys like us, I think it's the perfect compound. It's like anavar on steroids, so you get the leanness but also extreme strength gain. The more I read the more I am convinced I need to get some. May purchase this week. Get acetate though, it's the quick acting ester.

It will also nullify the need to increase the test prop and eliminate the bloat. Test and tren work synergistically, great combo.

In regards to my stack, I agree it isn't ideal. My thinking was to start with mild compounds and see how my body reacted before going to the real deal, tren. I am now convinced it is the ideal compound and I will be retiring the npp after this cycle, though it's been good for joint pain. But my bloat is crazy man, I need a primo, var or tren to balance the mix out.

 

[MN87]

^ how high would you run the tren?

I hate you for making me seriously consider this idea, esp since I just finished putting in an order for more prop

 

[MN87]

Gonna do a press workout first thing tomorrow morning then head back to the gym sometime in the evening to test my max

Testing my max moreso out of curiosity, getting my training in is a bigger priority to me, hence why I'm doing the max at the end

 

[Bulldog2103]

If you keep your test at 600, then I think you would get amazing gains at 400mg's of tren alongside of it. I personallly would always dose the test higher then the tren. However, you could get away with as little as 250mg's per week in my opinion. You won't hate me after you add it bro, it's the master steroid and will shred you up which is what you are going for.