test and tren stack. want to hear some of ur opinions.

[oldmusclemike]

OP, I have been around in BB and AAS since 1980. I have done several Tren cycles. As was said it can be great and it can be a nightmare. I have had successful Tren cycles and I have aborted one. It takes a lot of energy and strength and a good hard mind to complete a good Tren cycle and come out making good gains.

I have been reading all this thread and it seem like you want everyone to whitewash this cycle of yours and say it's on point. It is no and you don't really have a clue as to hat you are doing. The others have called you out on all of it.

Nolva as your AI? What and why. Deca you got puffy and retained water, that was you and your diet not the Deca. Even though Deca is prone to that it's up to you on any cycle to monitor and level the sides.
As was suggested NPP would be a good choice.
At your ht and wt you are not 6-9% BF. I would like to see a pic of that. How did they come up with that , calipers?

You need to slow down. Why Tren at your experience and time in and number of cycles under your belt it will serve less purpose then another cycle like NPP with Test P and E.

All these people just want to jump on Tren because of how anabolic it is and they have no understanding of what and how it works.

 

[oldmusclemike]

If you run Tren... Then run TREN with Test. Don't run Test with Tren.
Get it Tren higher then Test to et the results from the Tren cycle. Test is for you body functions.
Understand what you are doing and why.

 

[3J]

guys he is 5'4.. 160 actually isn't a bad weight lol.. esp if his bodyfat is truly what he says it is (a little doubtful, but possible)

 

[oldmusclemike]

guys he is 5'4.. 160 actually isn't a bad weight lol.. esp if his bodyfat is truly what he says it is (a little doubtful, but possible)

Yes, I did catch that. At 5'-4" and 160 that's a good wt. But I also would like to see this in a pic because 6-9% BF well he would be carrying a good amt of LMM.

A good NPP , Test P and test E base would allow him (if diet and training on point) to gain some good lean muscle and no need to tax his body w/ Tren this early in his program (cycle career).

I just think Tren should be used by a season AAS user and for real specific reasons and a specific need for the person's physique and career. My belief is Tren takes a lot more than just jumping on and off cycle. I think to get the real benefit of the anabolic level of the compound one should prepare themselves mentally, physically and nutritionally. It is an all out endeavor IMOP with much pre-work and work as it goes, time in the gym and good quality rest time. This means your life should be in order to do and have time to put in the devotion and work to the specific cycle.

At a second cycle does a guy really know what that takes and is his body accustomed to that intensity. These compounds are not baby food or a game. Just wanna say what is on my mind here.

 

[3J]

they do say to first tackle the weaker 19 nor (deca) before you do tren.. it does make sense

 

[Teutonic]

if my old ass don t run tren as I m not knowledgeable enough or dedicated enough

post a fkn pic or I ll throw a tantrum and hold my breathe.....

My fat is double digits and I post up...

 

[waceyf]

if my old ass don t run tren as I m not knowledgeable enough or dedicated enough

post a fkn pic or I ll throw a tantrum and hold my breathe.....

My fat is double digits and I post up...

Bahaha! I love this.

 

[bigben66]

Staying clear of deca. I used that shit backin the day

OK, I'm confused... this is your 2nd cycle.... but you used deca 'back in the day'...

Something doesn't sound right here...

 

[topher92503]

Haha 160 at 29? I dnt think age coinsides with weight. I'm 5'4 homie. What weight should I be at age 29? Haha

 

[topher92503]

And dnt worry fellas, obviously the old man wants to see my body but I'll put a pic up soon. I'm out on vacation and will do it when I get back. No worries, im not hiding nothing but I AM getting a good laugh at how needing of it u are

 

[topher92503]

OK guys, got my girl taking my face out of a few pics for u. Just ate breakfast but fuck it its still looking good haha. I'll have something up for u in a few. 29 160 lol

 

[oldmusclemike]

OK, I'm confused... this is your 2nd cycle.... but you used deca 'back in the day'...
Something doesn't sound right here...

Quote you again : Staying clear of deca. I used that shit backin the day End Quote
See OP we're not getting down on you so much but you aren't consistent just like this is your second cycle, but then you did Deca on your first. Then you say you have been experimenting w/Deca for the past year? WTF does that mean. Really what, now how do you experiment w/Deca and not do a cycle or cycles. And when back in the day... you're only

Haha 160 at 29? I dnt think age coinsides with weight. I'm 5'4 homie. What weight should I be at age 29? Haha

If you want us to take you seriously first drop the "homie" shit. No one here is your "homie" or express themselves from the ghetto. Have a little respect for the Vets. Remember your just trying to get to where at least I've been... back in my day kid.

And dnt worry fellas, obviously the old man wants to see my body but I'll put a pic up soon. I'm out on vacation and will do it when I get back. No worries, im not hiding nothing but I AM getting a good laugh at how needing of it u are

Listen no one is needy here more then one person has asked for pics because we would like to see where you are with your BB at that 5'-4" n 160lbs. You want our advice so WE NEED to see what we are dealing with to give advise. I for one don't spew out a realistic and thoughtful advice when I don't know what I am working with. You might not have a symmetrical physique and need some advice.

guys he is 5'4.. 160 actually isn't a bad weight lol.. esp if his bodyfat is truly what he says it is (a little doubtful, but possible)

Now I for one spoke honestly and gave you a compliment on your wt n ht and BF%. But asked for a pic as did 3J. Stop all the childish n cocky crap and get down to stats , pics and the truth if you want help or I'll go so far as my advice of over 30 years experience...KID...OK

PS: Also drop the 29 160 crap I wanna see 5-4 n 160 @ 6-9%bf and asked you how it was calculated. What method. Calipers x 3 or calipers by 4 or calipers x ,5, 6, 7 factors for calculations.

 

[topher92503]

Nope, homie is just my way of talking. Nothing ghetto about me, thank god! The pics are coming but all I got are them with my face aaaaand since what were speaking about is illigal I want those cropped. Got my girl working on that so I can put them up. Got all my bf% from my local gym which is inshape (pretty large gym in cali). I will also call out ignorant things like my low weight do to age so im lifting wrong? Yea that's some straight inbreed thinking right there. Most people have been very helpful thus far but we all know ignorance is a majority of our peers and haters always gotta hate. You'll all see the pics soon and then I guess we can go from there. Keep in mind I am told by most my body building buddies to stay far clear from forums cause its mostly made up of peoples and their hear say knowledge but I will keep into consideration some of the comments and like I've said in comments earlier that I appreciate most of yours time.

 

[topher92503]

Also to clear the DECA thing up. I did my very very first cycle years ago (2006) that was DECA and dbol. My last cycle, which was recent was sus 250. This is my third cycle but second in a short time span. That first cycle of DECA n dbol was so long ago and my body has had so many changes since then that I dnt consider it with my current status... If that makes any sense at all.

 

[bigben66]

I couldn't disagree more...

Forums, especially this one, hold a mass of relevant information... the stickies on this forum are amazingly factual and EVERY newbie to AAS should read them over and over again...

The moderators on this forum are helpful and patient - I never cease to be amazed at how they constantly guide and advise users in the right direction, some of whom to be brutally honest, don't deserve to be helped!

Personally, I wish I had found this forum 10-15 years ago... I have made many mistakes along the way, most of which could have been avoided with just a bit more research.

My TRT journey would certainly never have been so smooth without the help I have had on 'Ology for sure.

Stick around buddy, you are in the right place!

Good luck, BigBen

 

[juiceman2027]

Awwwww mannnn!!! tren is great! i loved it, night sweats and dreams were vivid and the nickle taste is addicting....lol i pinned it ED 100mg a day with test and 50mg dbol a day. I was a monster, but it also led to a divorce, be safe and listen to your body when using. Proper dosage is key. I was using the real deal FINA when it wasnt that hard to find. Be safe bro. i dont get into to getting bloodwork done or anything like that but listen to these guys if youve never tried it, they are right. post results!!

 

[snowpatrol123]

Awwwww mannnn!!! tren is great! i loved it, night sweats and dreams were vivid and the nickle taste is addicting....lol i pinned it ED 100mg a day with test and 50mg dbol a day. I was a monster, but it also led to a divorce, be safe and listen to your body when using. Proper dosage is key. I was using the real deal FINA when it wasnt that hard to find. Be safe bro. i dont get into to getting bloodwork done or anything like that but listen to these guys if youve never tried it, they are right. post results!!

here we go

 

[juiceman2027]

where ya going lil guy

 

[snowpatrol123]

where ya going lil guy

You really think it's a solid idea to recommend this little 5'4 bro on his second or third cycle should pin 100mg tren a day?

You say you've been gone for five years...might want to do less talking and more listening for a little while until you've got your head back in the game big wheel

 

[juiceman2027]

^^^^^^RE READ^^^^ When did i for once recommend ANYTHING to this guy????? jump off your internet forum horse for a second before you go talkin like that man...lol Dont worry i forgive ya. Ive forgot more than youve ever known about the juice game man...lmao