Test E/EQ Spring Cycle

[TheMilkMan]

I have read lots of mixed advice as to use HCG through out the cycle and at the end of the cycle. I use at the end and it seems to work well for me. have you odne both?

Yes, I have used it both ways, I have kinda developed my own way of using it.

I do both. I have a big problem with my nuts shrinking down to nothing for an extended period of time, so I run a small dose throughout the cycle starting around week 2. This keeps them at a reasonable size throughout the cycle and actually helps my mood and overall sense of well being (I assume it must have something to do with the whole LH/FSH thing). At the end up my cycle, rather than hitting large doses for 3-4 shots, I'll run more moderate doses (500-1000iu's) EOD for about 5 shots and I feel like that get me back to normal pretty quickly. The overall shrinkage of my nuts determines the dosage.

 

[HUNG4RY4N]

Yes, I have used it both ways, I have kinda developed my own way of using it.

I do both. I have a big problem with my nuts shrinking down to nothing for an extended period of time, so I run a small dose throughout the cycle starting around week 2. This keeps them at a reasonable size throughout the cycle and actually helps my mood and overall sense of well being (I assume it must have something to do with the whole LH/FSH thing). At the end up my cycle, rather than hitting large doses for 3-4 shots, I'll run more moderate doses (500-1000iu's) EOD for about 5 shots and I feel like that get me back to normal pretty quickly. The overall shrinkage of my nuts determines the dosage.

Very interesting method, It makes sense though, I like the idea. I think I'm going to experiment with that in the future.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Very interesting method, It makes sense though, I like the idea. I think I'm going to experiment with that in the future.

the big thing about hcg is to make sure that you don't desensitize yourself... using moderate doses throughout the cycle and/or smaller doses at the end for a week or so will not to that to you IMO.... I'm not a medical doctor, so don't take what I say as fact, but from what I have read you need to be taking LARGE amounts for an extended period of time to do that to yourself

hope you get some good results as I have

 

[leanbody]

the big thing about hcg is to make sure that you don't desensitize yourself... using moderate doses throughout the cycle and/or smaller doses at the end for a week or so will not to that to you IMO.... I'm not a medical doctor, so don't take what I say as fact, but from what I have read you need to be taking LARGE amounts for an extended period of time to do that to yourself

hope you get some good results as I have

I know youre not a doctor but isn't your avi a picture of your head nurse practitioner....she looks like she'd give good medical advice....LOL

Good info as always - I was kinda freaked by the shrinkage on my last cycle so am going to try hcg on my next. Took the boyz a full 6 weeks to recover....

 

[TheMilkMan]

I know youre not a doctor but isn't your avi a picture of your head nurse practitioner....she looks like she'd give good medical advice....LOL

Good info as always - I was kinda freaked by the shrinkage on my last cycle so am going to try hcg on my next. Took the boyz a full 6 weeks to recover....

I couldn't have her examine me, that would be entirely too awkward if she had to do anything to my junk lol

HCG helps keeping the boys plump. I always recommend it if its available.

 

[Aztech]

happy days are here again

 

[TheMilkMan]

Day 5

250mg Sust... lower right quad
50mg Suspension... rear left delt
50mcg Clen

Day A2: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps

Flat Bench 225/5, 275/2, 295/2, 295/2, 295/2, 185/6RP
Incline DB Fly 50's/12, 60's/9, 70's/7
Extreme Chest Stretch 60 Seconds

DB Shoulder Press 70's/9, 70's/5, 70's/6, 50's/4RP *really shit out
Upright Rows 100/12, 110/11, 110/10

Tricep Extension (on Lat Pull) 50/12, 55/10, 55/9
Overhead Cable Extension 60/8, 55/10, 50/10

*felt good until I shit out on Shoulder Press, but I recovered well to finish the workout
*might bump up the calories a little bit

 

[nickd84]

Dave Polumbo over at MD suggests this for PCT:
2000ius E3D for 2 weeks
50-100 mgs of clomid 2-3 weeks
AI throughout PCT

I asked him if he thought 2000ius would contribute to desnsitizing you and he stated that it is a clinically approved dose as well as dosing pattern.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Dave Polumbo over at MD suggests this for PCT:
2000ius E3D for 2 weeks
50-100 mgs of clomid 2-3 weeks
AI throughout PCT

I asked him if he thought 2000ius would contribute to desnsitizing you and he stated that it is a clinically approved dose as well as dosing pattern.

I could believe that, I would like to see the study but that sounds reasonable. I don't know if I would use that much, maybe more like 1000iu's E3D.

 

[nickd84]

YA I talked to FerrariF50 about it too and he thought it was a very high dose as well but there are hundreds of studies out there that always contradict each other. Im sure High doses are used but not for OUR purpose.

 

[TheMilkMan]

YA I talked to FerrariF50 about it too and he thought it was a very high dose as well but there are hundreds of studies out there that always contradict each other. Im sure High doses are used but not for OUR purpose.

I would think that heavy hcg use like that would only be required for people coming off some serious stacks. For the average user, I would think that an average hcg dose would suffice just fine.

 

[mikea]

Hey Milky, if your able to do stretches for sixty seconds, how about going for longer like 120secs? Have you tried it?

When i got used to doing 2minutes, my chest grew onto a complete new level!

 

[TheMilkMan]

Hey Milky, if your able to do stretches for sixty seconds, how about going for longer like 120secs? Have you tried it?

When i got used to doing 2minutes, my chest grew onto a complete new level!

I've gone from starting around 40 seconds and now I'm at 60 seconds... recently I've added more weight to the stretch and its been awesome for the stretch. I'm curious if I could even go for 2 minutes without passing out.

 

[TheMilkMan]

happy days are here again

yes they are

 

[TheMilkMan]

Day 6

50mg Suspension... right rear delt
50mcg Clen

45 minutes on the Elliptical

 

[TheMilkMan]

Day 7

250mg Sust... lower left quad
50mg Suspension... left pec

*nothing exciting to report, going to be hitting it hard tomorrow

 

[nickd84]

what size pin are you hitting that pec with, just curious?

 

[TheMilkMan]

what size pin are you hitting that pec with, just curious?

I've using 28g 1/2" pins right now because the Suspension is micronized and shoots really easily. I have used as big as 25g 1" pins and that wasn't really a problem either.

From what I understand, Pecs are really hit or miss. Some people have no problem with them, whereas others experience A LOT of pain.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Day 8

50mg Suspension... right pec
250iu's HCG... belly fat
600mg EQ... right glute

Day B2: Back, Biceps

Pull Ups bw/10, bw/10, bw/8
Supinated Grip Lat Pull 140/5RP
Bent Over Rows 225/10, 245/10, 265/8
Cable Rows 130/6RP
Sumo Deadlifts 315/5, 365/5, 365/5

Standing DB Curls 50's/8, 50's/7, 25's/6RP
Preacher Curls 65/10, 65/9

*felt really sluggish and had a pretty crappy workout. Have to think that it was because I went out last night and didn't eat well these last 2 days because of traveling and settling back into my apartment.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Day 9

250mg Sust... left glute
50mg Suspension... left delt
50mcg Clen

Day C2: Legs, Abs

Squats 225/8, 275/6, 315/5
Leg Extensions 110/12, 110/12, 60/6RP

DB Stiff Leg Deadlifts 110's/8, 110's/8
Lying Leg Curls 40/8RP

Calf Presses 2plates/12
Seated Calf Press 60/8

Extreme Quad Stretch 60 Seconds
Extreme Hamstring Stretch 60 Seconds

Roman Chair Leg Lifts 2 x 15
Decline Crunches 2 x 20

*the Leg Extension, Leg Curls, and Seated Calf Raise machines were ancient, so the weight #'s were all fucked up
*hadn't Squatted in 6 weeks or so, so I took it easy on the weight
*can't be doing deadlifts and squats back to back, my lower back was very tight training today