Test E plus Winny

[arem24]

Cycle

600 mg Test E wk 1-12
50mg Winstrol (winny) ED wk 11-14
Nolva 20 mg Ed wk 15-18

Pre cycle stats
Weight 225

Bench video: youtube.com/watch?v=m6iuNt-xXRs

Will be cycling to improve strength for athletic function, and for aesthetics as the summer comes. Will post workouts and some diet information.

 

[JMB1]

Hey man, good to put you pre-cycle condition
up. Test E and Winnie stack great. There are better things to take, but it should yield something. I would run the winnie at least 6 weeks. Clean up your diet, but eat enough to grow.
For PCT you need something else to restart
your HPTA (balls). You'll need some more ancillaries than nolvadex to recover.
(clomid, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) proviron,etc). There is good PCT
info on the board for specifics.

 

[arem24]

Hey man, good to put you pre-cycle condition
up. Test E and Winnie stack great. There are better things to take, but it should yield something. I would run the winnie at least 6 weeks. Clean up your diet, but eat enough to grow.
For PCT you need something else to restart
your HPTA (balls). You'll need some more ancillaries than nolvadex to recover.
(clomid, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) proviron,etc). There is good PCT
info on the board for specifics.

Thanks.

One question though, I was under the impression that nolva alone was enough to allow for recovery of HPTA?

 

[JMB1]

No, Nolva is an anti-estrogen.
It does not get the HPTA going again.
Its good to get rid of extra estrogen buildup at the end of a cycle.
Restarting the HPTA is a whole other process.
Clomid works well and is pretty cheap. (RUI)
If you have access to some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) that will
help even more. Ancillaries (PCT) are a whole other subject def worth reading about if you want to keep the most of your gains.

 

[arem24]

No, Nolva is an anti-estrogen.
It does not get the HPTA going again.
Its good to get rid of extra estrogen buildup at the end of a cycle.
Restarting the HPTA is a whole other process.
Clomid works well and is pretty cheap. (RUI)
If you have access to some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) that will
help even more. Ancillaries (PCT) are a whole other subject def worth reading about if you want to keep the most of your gains.

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone, LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks. "

 

[dtinhp]

I've heard people argue both sides of this coin. Personally, I believe that on a basic cycle like test for example you're fine with just the nolvadex, unless you're sensitive to gyno, then I'd say to also use something like letro or adex. IMO it's not until you start stacking 3 or more compounds together ie;test, anadrol, deca. Thats when you need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), & an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). To each his own though

 

[KingCrane]

Clomid 100mg ed 1st week, then 50mg ed 3 more weeks will do just fine

 

[JMB1]

Yes, this is a pretty old argument about
tamoxifen. I disagree with it completely. I assume this article is not from your personal experience.
Don't believe everything you read. The facts are out on nolva. It works great for what is good for. An anti-estrogen. It will not restart the your natural test. Anyone disagrees, please show me the research to back it up.
Improper PCT is like throwing darts at a board. Get some clomid bro.

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone, LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks. "

 

[mikeymo]

I am currently running 210ml of Test E per week with Winstrol (winny) as well, I have been doing 20 ml of Tomax daily cause I started getting gyno. I'm 24, and wondering if I need to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Clomid or if I could get away with just taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and how much for a 10 week cycle of Test E?

 

[mikeymo]

Also, Will Letro help rid the gyno? It's not too bad yet but it's definitely there..

 

[arem24]

Yes, this is a pretty old argument about
tamoxifen. I disagree with it completely. I assume this article is not from your personal experience.
Don't believe everything you read. The facts are out on nolva. It works great for what is good for. An anti-estrogen. It will not restart the your natural test. Anyone disagrees, please show me the research to back it up.
Improper post cycle therapy (pct) is like throwing darts at a board. Get some clomid bro.

Ive run only one cycle prior to this and used clomid. I recovered great on it. Will be swapping out nolva for clomid... If something works well why switch.

And to answer the thing about their being better compounds to use, I agree. I am limited in that I cannot run tren due to me playing flanker in rugby, and Anavar (var) and mast are simply outside of my price range currently for the doses and duration I would want to run them in.

 

[JMB1]

good idea. can be pricey...

Ive run only one cycle prior to this and used clomid. I recovered great on it. Will be swapping out nolva for clomid... If something works well why switch.

And to answer the thing about their being better compounds to use, I agree. I am limited in that I cannot run tren due to me playing flanker in rugby, and Anavar (var) and mast are simply outside of my price range currently for the doses and duration I would want to run them in.

 

[arem24]

Body got absolutely wrecked on saturday. Played against a men's club and had to tackle their 280 pound 8-man over ten times, walked away with 2 black eyes, bloody nose, face is torn to shit, and worst of all, my shoulders got absolutely wrecked so no workouts this weekend.

Anyone who thinks tackling without pads leads to weaker hits is dead wrong. Never had trouble getting out of bed 2 days after a football game.

Hitting legs later today unless upperbody feels recovered today.

 

[arem24]

Shoulders and traps finally recovered from rugby game. The black eyes and swelling still remain though

Hit chest and triceps today. Typically hit 5x5 for bench. Hit 295x5 on bench for last set, felt very light.

Ran stairs for 30 minutes after chest tricep workout.

 

[mikeymo]

Good job on the 295.. I got 355 for 5 and 365 for 4 last week... felt pretty damn good until my spotters headphone got in my eye and he didn't even need to be there :/

 

[eniqma]

While on Clomid , i feel like 14 yo emo girl ...i hate it. ... after cutting that BF down u will look really good

 

[hov13]

posting help

hey guys, sorry to bother you on this thread, but i'm new to the site and trying to figure out how to start a new post. i'm looking for advice on a sust250 cycle+trend for 12 weeks.

thanks, looking for any advice i can get...i'm fairly new to this, and this is definitely the most complex cycle i've ever contemplated. have only done d-bol pills before.