Test E / Proviron, do i need an AI too?

[MountainMan]

Hey guys, im planning 500mg week test e, and 50mg a day of proviron. I Have Arimidex also, but im wondering what i should dose the A-dex at since im running proviron too.

I really want to keep water weight down, and gyno as far away as possible.

Thanks guys!

P.S- Its all Gen shi Labs, proviron is balkan

 

[DADAWG]

its a controversy on the net on if proviron acts as a ant e or not but my 1st hand experience is that it does tend to keep water weight down quite a bit . IMO keep the arimidex on hand in case you need it but start without it . dont panic if you yo think your holding 3 ounces of etra water lol it wont hurt you . high estrogen becomes a concern if bloat causes high blod pressure to go up or REAL gyno symptoms occur.

there has been a rash of bullshit internet clams lately of gyno , i have had several swear to me they had full blown gyno the afternoon they started a cycle lol. newbies who are afraid of gyno tend to pull,poke,prod,etc. their nipples until they get sore and then swear their sore nipples are are gyno.

 

[stillsonic]

i am planning a similar cycle to this one, does anyone think proviron is a waste for a first cycle? i know its "stacking" which isnt condoned for first cycles but i feel i'll want more dryness and androgenic aggression than only test can provide.

 

[JimiThing]

I think proviron is about useless. I used to use it years ago on every cycle. I since have learned and experienced that the only thing it will do is lower shbg for around 2 weeks , after which it returns to the levels it was without taking it.
Dr Michael Scally just posted on this the other day at another board....His conclusion: Proviron is good for absolutely nothing in these circles.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Hey guys, im planning 500mg week test e, and 50mg a day of proviron. I Have Arimidex also, but im wondering what i should dose the A-dex at since im running proviron too.

I really want to keep water weight down, and gyno as far away as possible.

Thanks guys!

P.S- Its all Gen shi Labs, proviron is balkan

WHERE in th eworld did you read proviron is an AI? its NOT! it might SLIGHTLY lessin estro, but VERY minimal its main effects are on SHBG which binds to test, makes more test available.

proviron is not and should not be use as an AI.

use the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and proviron.
I LOVE proviron with test for bulking OR cutting.

good luck...

also go ATLEAST 12 wks with test 14 best, run Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to pct.

 

[JimiThing]

Something worth mentioning. Here is a quote by Dr Michael Scally. While everyone thinks a steroid cycle or test increases shbg - the fact is it doesnt.
Dr Michael Scally : ". Thus, SHBG concentrations are lower in males administered AAS. Administration of testosterone results in a 2-fold lowering of SHBG in normal and hypogonadal men."

And since proviron is worthless as a supposed Aromatase inhibitor (AI) ..i see not reason to take it...at all.

 

[Santaklaus]

I swear provi helps with water retention when I'm running it. I still use adex, but only .25 e4/5d as opposed to .25 e3d which is how I normally run it. Proviron makes me hard as shit and also my cock hard as shit... love that stuff

 

[juced_porkchop]

Something worth mentioning. Here is a quote by Dr Michael Scally. While everyone thinks a steroid cycle or test increases shbg - the fact is it doesnt.
Dr Michael Scally : ". Thus, SHBG concentrations are lower in males administered AAS. Administration of testosterone results in a 2-fold lowering of SHBG in normal and hypogonadal men."

And since proviron is worthless as a supposed Aromatase inhibitor (AI) ..i see not reason to take it...at all.

I do still like proviron, make hardness just stupid, muscles and down stairs.
but I did see that SHBG would raise with AAS use. I am going to have to look at it again from a TESTOSTERONE use ONLY point of view.
That would be AWESOME that it wont raise SHBG, but is that just Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) doses or if i take say 800mg ew for extended period (maybe 18-20 weeks) also there are other binders like SHBG, though seems SHBG is the main one, wonder what I can find on the others in this regard.
wonder if its due to other factors, Great info man thanks alot! DR. Scally is not some one I would normaly disagree with and will look at his info on this, DEFF happy you posted this up!
THANKS!

 

[China_Wall]

if ur concerned about water retention and want to appear harder/leaner be sure to run the adex at 0.5-1mg eod from the second week right through to a week after your last pin... the combination of proviron/adex is very effective at the achieving the look ur going for

 

[Santaklaus]

if ur concerned about water retention and want to appear harder/leaner be sure to run the adex at 0.5-1mg eod from the second week right through to a week after your last pin... the combination of proviron/adex is very effective at the achieving the look ur going for

Listen to China, he knows his shit. Running adex at that dose kills my estro though.. I've tried it, that is too high for me. I run it .25 e3d and that seems to be a perfect dose for me. Everyone's a little different, all trial and error

 

[zephyr_987]

can proviron cause you to lose your hair? from what ive read it makes the test work better right?

 

[Santaklaus]

I'm not sure if it causes MPB.. A lot of compounds do cause it though. And yes proviron does bind to the test

 

[JimiThing]

Proviron doesn't bind to test ..it binds to SHBG ..for around 2 weeks. Then the body compensates and produces SHBG so its like you aren't even using it (proviron). If i was gonna use it for that purpose, which I wouldn't, I d use it 2 weeks on , 2 weeks off. If thats your goal use Winstrol (winny) and get some gains out of it at least.

 

[Santaklaus]

Proviron doesn't bind to test ..it binds to SHBG ..for around 2 weeks. Then the body compensates and produces SHBG so its like you aren't even using it (proviron). If i was gonna use it for that purpose, which I wouldn't, I d use it 2 weeks on , 2 weeks off. If thats your goal use Winstrol (winny) and get some gains out of it at least.

Jimi, if you're gonna come in here and start correcting people, at least have a clue what you're talking about before you do. It does bind to the test. It will enable you to have more of the "good test" building muscle and none of it will convert to estrogen.

Here is a paragraph I copied about Proviron from steroid.com, one of the best sites for steroid research..obviously. I also included a link, for you Jimi, to educate yourself better about Proviron. Here is the paragraph as well, as I sense you may be too lazy to actually read the whole proviron profile. I hope this helps you better understand so that next time you are trying to "help" someone, you are armed with the proper facts.

Lets delve into some of the positive points of this drug before we go any farther. Androgen Receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(5), and whilethey act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning.(9)(3) The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue(6)(2). As if thats not enough good news, some steroids (notably, testosterone) even increase the numbers of A.R. in muscle and fat (9)(7). Thus, if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, youll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other.

Here is the link: Proviron - Steroid .com

 

[Santaklaus]

furthermore you recommended winstrol... Winstrol is one of the harshest drugs out there on the body and dries you out like an old prune. Winstrol is an old school steroid, not nearly as popular as it used to be back in the 80s and 90s... In other words kids, don't listen to Jimi..

 

[JimiThing]

Jimi, if you're gonna come in here and start correcting people, at least have a clue what you're talking about before you do. It does bind to the test. It will enable you to have more of the "good test" building muscle and none of it will convert to estrogen.

Here is a paragraph I copied about Proviron from steroid.com, one of the best sites for steroid research..obviously. I also included a link, for you Jimi, to educate yourself better about Proviron. Here is the paragraph as well, as I sense you may be too lazy to actually read the whole proviron profile. I hope this helps you better understand so that next time you are trying to "help" someone, you are armed with the proper facts.

Lets delve into some of the positive points of this drug before we go any farther. Androgen Receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(5), and whilethey act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning.(9)(3) The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue(6)(2). As if thats not enough good news, some steroids (notably, testosterone) even increase the numbers of A.R. in muscle and fat (9)(7). Thus, if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, youll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other.

Here is the link: Proviron - Steroid .com

You are incorrect. The reason there is more free test is that proviron binds to shbg which which prevents shbg from binding with test. So please before YOU make inaccurate statements and then correct me for making accurate ones check your facts and understand what you read.
Thanks.

Stick around and learn.

 

[juced_porkchop]

^^^ You are incorrect. The reason there is more free test is that proviron binds to shbg which which prevents shbg from binding with test. So please before YOU make inaccurate statements and then correct me for making accurate ones check your facts and understand what you read.
Thanks.

LOL - you are clueless. Stick around and learn.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Dude you are NOT listining YOU ARE WORNG! PERIOD!

 

[juced_porkchop]

Jimi, if you're gonna come in here and start correcting people, at least have a clue what you're talking about before you do. It does bind to the test. It will enable you to have more of the "good test" building muscle and none of it will convert to estrogen.

Here is a paragraph I copied about Proviron from steroid.com, one of the best sites for steroid research..obviously. I also included a link, for you Jimi, to educate yourself better about Proviron. Here is the paragraph as well, as I sense you may be too lazy to actually read the whole proviron profile. I hope this helps you better understand so that next time you are trying to "help" someone, you are armed with the proper facts.

Lets delve into some of the positive points of this drug before we go any farther. Androgen Receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(5), and whilethey act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning.(9)(3) The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue(6)(2). As if thats not enough good news, some steroids (notably, testosterone) even increase the numbers of A.R. in muscle and fat (9)(7). Thus, if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, youll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other.

Here is the link: Proviron - Steroid .com

you dont even understand what you are reading......

 

[juced_porkchop]

its a controversy on the net on if proviron acts as a ant e or not but my 1st hand experience is that it does tend to keep water weight down quite a bit . IMO keep the arimidex on hand in case you need it but start without it . dont panic if you yo think your holding 3 ounces of etra water lol it wont hurt you . high estrogen becomes a concern if bloat causes high blod pressure to go up or REAL gyno symptoms occur.

there has been a rash of bullshit internet clams lately of gyno , i have had several swear to me they had full blown gyno the afternoon they started a cycle lol. newbies who are afraid of gyno tend to pull,poke,prod,etc. their nipples until they get sore and then swear their sore nipples are are gyno.

This is all that reallt needed to be said...