Test/Tren/Dbol - 3j's nutrition carb cycle log (Pics/Measurements)

[da11]

I just got my diet plan back from 3J's Nutrition. So far I'm very impressed with his quick response time and I love the menu he created for me. I will be starting the diet Monday, April 8th and my first Injection will be the following Monday.

I've got 5 cycles under my belt and my diet or lack there of have hindered my gains big time. Hence my decision to contact 3J's Nutrition. My last cycle ended last August. PCT went into September. Had some personal issues and lost motivation right when my cycle ended. Took 4 months off from the gym and since then I've gained about 8-10lbs weight. I've lost plenty of muscle too. Could be 15 lbs of fat easily since August. As you can see from the pic.

My bf% after last cycle was 12%.

Goal:

170-175lbs
10-12% BF


Current Stats:

Age: 39
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'10"
Smaller frame
Hard gainer


Cycle:

Week 1-4 dbol 50mg ed
Week 1-8 50mg test prop eod
Week 1-4 75mg tren ace eod
Week 5-8 50mg test prop eod
Week 1-8 12.5mcg t3 ed (might taper up to 25mcg-50mcg depending on how I look and feel)

2 weeks leading up to 1st injection - Aromasin 25mg on Mon/Thurs
Aromasin on cycle 25mg Mon/Thurs

I'm sensitive to sides and this kept acne/gyno symptoms in check last two cycles. No sore or itchy nipples at all


PCT
week 1-4 - Aromasin 25mg eod
week 1 - 120mg Torem ed
week 2-4 - 60mg Torem ed

Previous cycles have been test/tren and test/anavar. Similar doses as above. 6-8 weeks long. Basically maintenance cycles before summer.


Before Measurements:

Neck 15.25
Chest 38.5
Stomach at belly button 37
Waist line 35
Biceps 12.5
Thighs 23.5
Calves 14.25
Forearm

Personal:

I have a wife and 5 kids. I've been a business owner for the past 15 years. Specialty trade in construction industry. Just decided to go back
to school. Enrolled full time at the State University where I live. Goal is to get into a Chiropractic program next Fall 2014.

I enjoy skiing, golfing, backpacking, fishing, coaching baseball. And of course lifting : )


I'll start posting my progress once I begin next week.


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[halfwit]

Welcome to 'ology! I too am just starting one of 3J's programs and I am TOTALLY impressed with the depth he goes in not only breaking everything down, but his response times are amazing! I think you're in for a treat!

 

[da11]

Thanks for the welcome halfwit! Can't wait to get going!

 

[3rdinfintry]

I dont think you are running nearly enough prop. 50mg EOD is 200 or 150 a week. That is extremly low.

In my opinion ALWAYS run the prop / tren the same or your dick wont work. (people have different opinions on this )

Also 4 weeks of Tren is way to short, and not even worth doing.

I would rethink the cycle before you start it.

I would rethink the T3 as well, this could fuck up your thyroid for life.

Use 3J, tighten up the cycle better but ditch the T3.

 

[501s finest]

bump the prop to 100 eod or 150 eod. I'm on 166mg eod and it's working wonders. also tbol 50mg ed. You'll wish you raised it later if you don't, i promise.

 

[3J]

he is running tren and prop together.. no need to make the prop any higher

 

[rmonks]

welcome and good luck w cycle 3j will definately help you everyone thats posted is using him

 

[Rida5d]

Good luck man.. You are in good hands.

 

[Rida5d]

In my opinion ALWAYS run the prop / tren the same or your dick wont work. (people have different opinions on this )

Really?

 

[da11]

I dont think you are running nearly enough prop. 50mg EOD is 200 or 150 a week. That is extremly low.

In my opinion ALWAYS run the prop / tren the same or your dick wont work. (people have different opinions on this )

Also 4 weeks of Tren is way to short, and not even worth doing.

I would rethink the cycle before you start it.

I would rethink the T3 as well, this could fuck up your thyroid for life.

Use 3J, tighten up the cycle better but ditch the T3.

Thanks for the input Bro! I'll probably up the Test Prop dose for the last 2 weeks depending on how I feel. Might even run Tren 6 weeks but no longer.

When it comes to tren and test I know how my body responds and feel very comfortable with this cycle. Never tried dbol. I've never gone over 260mg/week of any injectable compound. I'm actually interested in how I would respond to larger dose of test.

As far as tren dick goes I've run 3 Tren only 4 weekers I don't even call cycles, and had no problems in the sack. Sex drive was low but could still perform when asked
- Test on the other hand makes my sex drive go through the roof.

In my limited experience and knowledge I decided to run tren about 1/3 higher dose than test. I'm always game to here other advice and opinions though.

Plus, the lower doses go along with my slow and steady strategy and I can manage the sides easier. Last cycle I upped my tren dose to 75mg eod and told myself I'd never shoot tren again....lol. Didn't see much difference and wasn't worth the feeling that my eyes were gonna pop out of my head. I dropped back down to 50mg and I was good to go.

Not worried about T3 at that dose, it will actually enhance the effects of the AAS while on. That's less than we produce naturally and shouldn't shut me down. Even still the thyroid is resilient and will bounce back even at 150mcg. So i've heard. Gotta love Bro Science.

 

[da11]

Thanks for the welcome guys.

Here's a link to the T3 article that has some great info. LAWNSAVER posted here on the board steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/6163-t3-fat-burning-doses.html

I've also researched what the Vets on various forums had to say about it too. I'm convinced enough to give it a shot.

 

[da11]

Thread on the basis of having a higher dose of tren than test.....This was posted by THE-DET-OAK


Whats up fellas. USER you have a wealth of info, especially on peptides, I have learned from you a number of times.

Keep in mind you dont HAVE to run your test higher with deca, but you will get more gains that way, also taking the risk of more sides (its always that way, more gains more sides). Simply because deca is more of an anabolic. Its not androgenic. The best steroids have both a high anabolic/androgenic ratio. They are are the best because this produces a synergistic effect. Im learning more and more as I grow in this game and the field of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) that it is the synergistic effect that we want.

Example: GH alone sux. run GH for 3 months then throw in some test and watch out. Again GH is anabolic.

Just look at the increase collagen thread, low dose test high deca, EQ or Var. Mgunz did this and he liked it just fine.

tren on the other hand is highly androgenic and highly anabolic, but does not aromatize. This is beneficial for estro sides.

A friend of mine has known this guy for like 15 years, they have both been "ON" for that long, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) blast cruise whatever. this guy has never cycled anything besides tren for the last 7 years. He never has libido issues and he is a fucking monster, he dwarfs me.

tren should not inhibit your libido, it should increase it, since its very androgenic.

If tren were to somehow get prolactin out of control, which is VERY unlikely, high prolactin can squash libido, this is why it takes forever to bust on progestins, decreased penis sensitivity. This is MUCH more likely to happen with deca.

We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.

Keep in mind Cobra that just cause your T levels are 2000 does not mean your using it. The first 1980 mgs gets gobbled up by albumin and SHBG right away, and that never hits a receptor. now you have the rest attaching to recptors in your body. it is really just a signaling system, you can only make the signal so strong.

Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.

So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.

These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.

This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.

I also know a guy that was on high dose tren for 6 months and wound up in the hospital with liver/kidney problems. Cant prove it was the tren, but he was otherwise a healthy guy.

 

[da11]

Started gear today! Also started the 2nd week on 3J's diet plan. Last week was a run through.

Got my workout in tonight and I feel great.

The diet so far is very easy to implement and follow. It's not costing me an arm and a leg either.

I'll post measurements and pics every Thursday.

 

[da11]

Day 4

Can already feel an increase in strength and pumps lasting longer and more intense.

My body is responding nicely to this new diet.

Neck 16
Chest 40
Stomach 36.5
Waist 36
Biceps 13.5
Thighs 23
Calves 14.75
Forearm 12

WEIGHT 181

 

[abusedyam]

Heard nothing but good things about 3J. Good luck!

 

[abusedyam]

And wow 5 kids?!! that's crazy! Don't know how you find the time to do everything else

 

[da11]

Heard nothing but good things about 3J. Good luck!

Thanks! Yeah so far he has been great to work with. Anytime I have a question he gets back to me right away. I struggled getting meal 6 in cause it's so late. I emailed him a question at 10pm and he responded within about 5 minutes. Love it!

And wow 5 kids?!! that's crazy! Don't know how you find the time to do everything else

It does get a little crazy but I wouldn't change a thing.

 

[jagbc]

Good luck man!! Can't wait to see the end result

 

[Smashed]

Heard nothing but good things about 3J. Good luck!

3J IS the man. The dude knows his shit and to the OP, listen to 3J. Combined with your diet, he will know what is best. Plus he's tracking your measurements at the end of your 1st Low Carb day so he will know whats going on. If he wants you to up it, let him tell you. You definitely are doing it right by going to 3J.

 

[3rdinfintry]

Really?

I guess it has different effects on people. When I ran Tren higher, I couldnt bust and had ZERO sex drive.