testosterone C want to switch from 200mg to 400mg per week

[PapaNoel]

So...this will be the last time i'm telling you this...because its like the 5th time... Either you're a troling, stupid, you cant read or just dont wanna listen...

Nandrolone is the active compound.
Decanoate and phenylpropionate are the esters.
Please stop saying deca and nandrolone are two steroids... Its one steroid (nandrolone) and one ester(deca)... Stop confusing ester and compound. Or better yet, google and educate yourself and stop guessing...

You have already told me you have Nandrolone with Decanoate ester attached.
We've also verified this and your specific vial is mixed with sesame oil and benzyl alcohol (pretty standard).

It does not matter what size needle you can draw with, what your pharmacist claims as "pure" or how it "feels" between your fingers...
It has absolutely no significance what so ever lol... The only reason I even told you to feel it between fingers was because you refuse to listen to logic and reasoning....

You have been giving the exact same steroid you've always been given... They are identical...what about this is so hard for you to wrap your head around ?

 

[gymguyperson]

No disrespect- honest Santa666 and most definitely not trying to make ya crazy with this- what puzzles me is that the first bottle that said DECA on it was so thick- drip drip, etc., into the drawing syringe (like my Test E) and this stuff is so watery- that's why I kept bringing up how the new bottle filled the syringe as though it were just water or alcohol - who knows, maybe the compounding pharmacy guy goofed totally and forgot to mix a compound- I actually do comprehend what you explained about one being a steroid and the other one an ester- I googled it all - and of course- the internet takes you all over the place with info that isn't relivant -mostly sites that sell knock offs-

Again, Santa666 you have consistently tried to help and I realize that and appreciate it- off subject- as I am injecting the Nandrolone-D (which the pharmacy guy said was "pure Nandrolone with no ester when he gave it to me) but when I inject it- either into my thigh and tried it in my butt as well- it burns- like hell- stings - and there is a noticeable bump above the skin-

That happened when I tried mixing the stuff with the TEST E as well.

It never happened when I mixed the original thick oil based DECA with TEST E no burning, no bump.... but soon as I mixed this new stuff with my TEST E- damn it burned-

That's why I began separating the injections- the TEST E goes in fine- but when I inject the isolated Nandrolone (watery stuff) it stings like a bee sting- and leaves a noticeable raised bump on my thigh and butt-

That's when I began to google the shit out of this stuff- wondering - based at that time on what the pharmacy guy said- and founds blogs where "ever-less Nandrolone" did cause burning- I'm just passing on what I found on the blogs-

Can you see why my head is spinning- again, maybe the freakin' pharmacy guy mixed the shit incorrectly or something- but to isolate the compound that was stinging the shit out of me on injection and causing the raised bump on my skin- I did begin to inject Test E with one syringe and the Nandrolone with another- hence why I began using insulin needles for the Nandrolone to see if that helped- (have no fat on my legs, etc.,

Once more- totally appreciate your effort here Santa666 I have googled the shit out of all of the stuff I posted- the only thing I had not thought of- perhaps I need to take the "pure Nandrolone" as the compounding pharmacy guy called it- BACK to him and ask what's up with this shit- I have bumps on my legs and butt now that take a week to go down and the stoning is as if someone put alcohol on my face after I shaved-

 

[PapaNoel]

"as I am injecting the Nandrolone-D"
What do you think the D stands for in this case ? Could it possible be Nandrolone Decanoate ? No ? To far fetched ?

"but when I inject it- either into my thigh and tried it in my butt as well- it burns- like hell- stings - and there is a noticeable bump above the skin- "
Stop using slin pins and stop pinning it sub-q and do IM like you should ????

"maybe the freakin' pharmacy guy mixed the shit incorrectly or something"
Your pharmacist didnt mix shit...its done in a lab bro...holy shit...

" it burns- like hell- stings"
Stop dripping oil on the needle before injecting and let the alcohol wipes dry off for at least 30 seconds.
The benzyl alcohol in your deca will sting if its on the outside...

Could sum the whole thread up like this:
Different oils has different viscosity.

 

[gymguyperson]

thanks Santa666 Totally appreciate you insight here- I have been overthinking this I guess- starting from when the compound pharmacy guy said this a "pure Nandrolone" and something about the "DECA" that I received before was no longer available- the benzyl alcohol does drip with this new stuff cause it's so watery- whereas the previous bottle was a thick oil and didn't- also the pump on my butt and legs- I was using a 1" needle same as I was using for the TEST E (I had tried insulin needles into my pecs and delta however) there is really no fat on my butt or legs- so I was (still am) kinda surprised with these huge reddish bumps - two on my butt are still there two weeks later- and I injected using a 1" 25 gauge- not sure why the bump- it's like a bug bite (but it's not) and this was being injected IM even my pecs- no fat there- I used the insulin needle- seems this shit just causes a big reddish bump no matter where I'm pinning- it's weird- again none of this happened with the previous bottle....

Hey- no need to respond- you have given me a huge amount of your time bro- and I appreciate that! Thanks


OK am gonna drive you crazy I know-

 

[PapaNoel]

Injecting steroidsd sub-q often cause those lumps.
With longer esters it not unusual for it to stay there for weeks and sometimes months. It will go away eventually though (probably twice the half life).

Maybe you're just slightly allergic to sesame seeds ? That would explain it.

Glutes are individual, personally I prefer a 23g needle since I got almost all my fat storage on glutes, I do get away with 25g but sometimes I can feel the lump deep inside for couple days.
Thats why you dont pin AAS with a slin needle, is it even half an inch long ?

 

[gymguyperson]

Morning Santa666 I draw with a 20 gauge needle- then either switch the needle on the syringe to a 25gig or I just back fill a 25 gauge- as I tried a few times cause I wanted to mix my Test E and Nandrolone in the same syringe- so thought to just back fill the 25 gauge with both things- however each time I did that- the Nandrolone ( which is like water ) would spit out abruptly while the Test E took the normal long drip drip drip so I went back to pinning each compound separately - more injections unfortunately - so both of the 25 gauge are 1" I only inject with 1" now- I had tried back filling an insulin needle (shorter of course) and injecting into my pecs or delts- no fat there so assumed it was going into muscle- but the burn was terrible with the Nandrolone- and made a huge bump. The Test E by the way has never burned or made the bump- only this "new" Nandrolone- also the previous DECA bottle I had, did not cause any bump and I could mix it in the sam syringe with the TEST E and inject into my butt or thigh with the 1" 25 gauge- no issues- which is why I had all these question trying to figure this out- as all of these things have happened with this new "water-like" Nandrolone-

So as of the last few weeks I dray with a 20gauge the TEST E and switch the needle to a 25 gauge- with this new Nandrolone I draw with a 20gauge and then back fill a 1" 25 gauge- so two shots- each time I use this Nandrolone stuff I get the sting of death and leaves a big reddish bump-

 

[Mad- scientist]

What were your testosterone levels before seeing this new trt doctor? Did this new dr take just one test an put you on TRT or check your levels twice? What I'm getting at is are you sure you had low testosterone because while the high 200's is extremely low if you were sleeping horribly and had other health problems at the time that could have maybe caused it. If I were you when I was done with the cycle I would consider maybe trying PCT to restart your testosterone. I'm just saying if you only had your levels checked once trying to restart your natural testosterone is usually a good idea before going on TRT for life at 25.

Also I highly recommend if you stay on TRT after this cycle to keep your total testosterone around 1000 to 1200 at the max. Once off this cycle you should also consider staying on your TRT dose without doing cycles for a year to get everything honed in. Right now you havent had a true chance to experience actual TRT wich is levels under 1200. One reason I say all this is what happens if this doctor quits or gets suspended? At 25 do you think it will be easy to find someone who will just put you on TRT when you only had one blood test that came back low?

 

[gymguyperson]

Hi Mad Scientist- thanks for your imput/help. I have had a host of medical issues- outside of being a Type I diabetic all my life (insulin pump, etc.) I had leukemia as a kid and was on chemo twice before I was in my teens. Then a few years ago after a head on collision with a drunk driver that landed me in the hospital - when the docs did a scan - a cancerous tumor was found that had to be removed- I was again on chemo- the last couple of years I have been through a host of doctors for weakness, horrible sleep, etc., etc., the endocronoligist did a full blood panel and it was in that blood test they advised me of the low T count. She sent me to another specialist who did even more blood work- at one time there were 10 test tubes of blood taken in one lab visit- the medical doctors being what they are- and doing what they are trained to do- still didn't consider testosterone replacement- when my T count continued to be in the low 200's... they had a host of other crap that was suggested- sleep medication, pain medication (oxicotton) cymbalta- being raised to believe everything your doc says I tried these things one by one- I felt horrible- run down, wasn't able to get my ass to the gym- I felt drugged all the time. Then a buddy suggested I try a TrT specialist- as you might imagine, the diabetes doc and my primary doc -the shit hit the fan- they were calling the TrT doc questioning what he would do- blab blab blab-

The fact is- now after a year- I have felt better and had more energy then - well I can't remember as I had been sick and weak all my life- and more importantly- everyone in the family was treating me as a poor sickly guy -

The TrT doc I realize is taking some liberties- he discussed the Nandrolone injection - 200 mg per week split into two shots- to deal with the joint pain- so I came off the cymbalta- and a host of other shit my regular doc had prescribed for pain-

It is my understanding that 200mg of Test E and 200mg of Nandrolone per week isn't a "steroid" dose- I do feel much better than I have for years and am now only on insulin- by way of an insulin pump delivery system as my body does not make insulin. there was a time- I think 3 years ago I was taking 17 different medications per day- you'd think I was HIV+ positive - I am not off all that shit- and my libido is back to normal- the Cymbalta totally fucked that up as well- you hear about "deca dick" I had cymbalta dick- and to correct THAT the doc suggested I take Viagra before sex- as the cymbalta is what caused the limp dick and inability to even get a hard on- I remember joking- do these drug companies that produce all these libido fucked up drugs OWN Viagra ..... so I am not taking anything now but insulin plus the TrT doc's recommendation .... when blood work showed low B12 and D he prescribed that- my blood gets checked about every three months-

 

[PapaNoel]

It is my understanding that 200mg of Test E and 200mg of Nandrolone per week isn't a "steroid" dose-

Your understanding is wrong. First of all, 200mg / week is a high TRT dose, its more a cruise. 200mg nandrolone is never really part of TRT/HRT but with your background I can sort of understand your doc....but together they have anabolic ratings that would put you into cycle territory for sure bro.

 

[gymguyperson]

I have to admit- I am feeling better than I could imagine- not so much about added strength, etc in the gym- but just better over all- plus when I was on the Cymbalta (for diabetic nerve damage) and Oxicotton (sp?) for general pain management I really felt like shit- when I had limp dick as a side effect of the Cymbalta- the doc then wanted me to take Viagra before sex- that was kind of the tipping point for me- to get off all the "medically approve" shit- and try something else- the TrT doc didn't put me on 200mg of Test E right off the bat- I started off with - I think it was .6 (of the 200mg per L) then he slow increased it finally putting me on .5 twice a week or 200mg per week
The Nandrolone was added as I still have incredible joint pain- it was so bad I couldn't hold a coffee cup or shake someones hand- the lower back, the hips - the Nandrolone seems to have somehow made all that go away-

 

[scorob777]

That's great news. What are you doing about the diabetes?

 

[gymguyperson]

I wear an insulin pump- growing up I had to inject insulin usually 6 times a day- into fat, etc., which is the way most Type I diabetics handle it- however about 10 years agoI switched over to an insulin pump- which gives me a drip of insulin every few minutes- and when I eat something with carb- I dial in the amount of carb I am consuming- and the pump (program setup with my doc) will administer a larger amount of insulin to cover the carb. The technology also monitors my blood sugar and records a number every 5 min- so when I see my doc, they merely download the info, can see where my sugar was at 24/7 for a 3 month period- how many carbs I consumed- etc- and make adjustments to the insulin dose accordingly- An example- when I go to the gym- I hit a button on the pump to stop giving me the steady drip of insulin as the exercise will lower your blood sugar- and if I were getting insulin - I'd have a dangerous LOW sugar issue-

Probably more info then you needed- lol lol The only stigma about the pump is- I wear this thing that looks like a little pager and it has a small thin plastic tube that is inserted into my stomach or any fat area- it disconnects when I shower, etc., so if I have my shirt off- I feel kinda funny about the thing- plus the insulin in the pump can't be subjected to high temp or direct sunlight- so there goes sleeping out on the beach or at a pool, etc., unless I take the thing off- and leave it in the house- but then I am not being monitored unless the thing is attached to me-

 

[casanovaaa]

I have to admit- I am feeling better than I could imagine- not so much about added strength, etc in the gym- but just better over all- plus when I was on the Cymbalta (for diabetic nerve damage) and Oxicotton (sp?) for general pain management I really felt like shit- when I had limp dick as a side effect of the Cymbalta- the doc then wanted me to take Viagra before sex- that was kind of the tipping point for me- to get off all the "medically approve" shit- and try something else- the TrT doc didn't put me on 200mg of Test E right off the bat- I started off with - I think it was .6 (of the 200mg per L) then he slow increased it finally putting me on .5 twice a week or 200mg per week
The Nandrolone was added as I still have incredible joint pain- it was so bad I couldn't hold a coffee cup or shake someones hand- the lower back, the hips - the Nandrolone seems to have somehow made all that go away-

how bad was the pain that you had to take Oxicotton? doctors these days love getting people hooked up pills for no reason. didnt all those bamas take an oath to do no harm? what we do in this life will echo through eternity and those docs will have to pay dearly for being glorified pill pushers.

 

[gymguyperson]

Pain was pretty terrible- lower back- neck- both hands (unable to even lift a coffee cup to my mouth some mornings-