Testosterone Enanthate only cycle - 1st in 14 years of training on/off

What was the average body weight gain on 1st cycle? [All AAS are qualified for poll]

  • 10-19 pounds

    Votes: 43 53.1%
  • 20-24 pounds

    Votes: 24 29.6%
  • 25-29 pounds

    Votes: 9 11.1%
  • 30-34 pounds

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • 35-39 pounds

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • 40-44l pounds

    Votes: 3 3.7%

  • Total voters
    81
"need something to help subside the pain/repair the joints"

Forgot to mention the benefits of GH. Definitely look into that also Vic. 2-3 I.U's for 6 months. The healing powers can't be underestimated especially combined w/ test.
 
Solid results still Vic w/ all those injuries, w/out squats/dead-lifts. I'd love to have a bench press like that. For my bw, i don't consider my bp strength to be great at all. Squat/deadlift even in my late teens i was able to do nearly double my body weight, bench not even close.

"Didn't do pct". Hey bro we live and learn. Use it as a learning experience. Were you back to square one after in terms of all strength gained?

T/E w/ Eq should be a solid cycle. Throw in some dbol at beginning for the first 4-6 wks. I have have same cycle planned w/ Dbol 30-50mg in mind.

On the injuries and training especially w/ knee problems, I hear you bro. When i broke my tendon in the knee. Let alone walk properly up and downstairs, i had to lift my leg with both hands off the bed for a 6 weeks+, as i could not move it. Then after i had to drag it off. Going up and downstairs, i had to hold the railing for a full year +.

Not a cure but from anecdotal evidence i'd say try Deca in your next cycle, to alleviate pain.

Btw for me you know what helped was getting back into gym, since your already there. Have a full day of legs like you would normally train all other body parts. It keeps the muscle from wasting away. That was the advice of 3 different orthopedic surgeons.

When doing leg press do single plates, 1 leg at a time. Use hands to assist. Same applies to leg extension. For leg curls do both legs, can do singles. Furthermore, add a cycle of glucosamine/choindrotin (nowadays available w/ MSM. Ensure the Glu/choin together though, those are much more important) 3 times daily for 6 months.
Plus for cardio w/ focus not on endurance, but on strengthening
i.e. if stair climber skip a step & curl leg to build hamstring muscle on way to next step.
Stairmaster - due full motion, not like most people i see at gym doing it. They are literally floating in the air taking 2" steps. Take full steps until you nearly touch the bottom. Focus on interval training as not to waste away muscle for 20-30m each day.

appreciate all the advice. normally on Gluc/Chond. and has def worked but after being off for a while it is DEF time to get some more.

was told that the eq would help me get through the pain, plus the collagen synthesis would help repair my patella tendons. Knees and joints are already hating me and im only 24...might be in a damn wheel chair by 40. Lets hope not though. Was thinking to kick start with t-bol, read it was d-bol without the bloat which would be perfect. Any exp?

Hopefully that will do the trick. I havent completely stopped doing legs. Doing light weight with the occasionally moderate to high weight. Just sucking it up, not goin to let my legs get small. Im obsessive to keep it lightly with having/getting my legs enormous.

Heard/read/have any exp with IGF? heard it could possibly repair tendons/ligaments. Read lots of people comparing it to HGH. right now HGH is pretty impossible for me to afford...(im a broke college student remember haha)

As for keeping the gains, suprisingly, with exception of some size, Ive kept a good bit of the gains...not sure how
 
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9th week Jan 27/11 on T/E cycle

after a 3 day layoff. Monday evening did Back/Shoulders.

Had mild flu. Not bed ridden or anything, but still felt down and out.

Prior to workout = 1ASA 325mg

BACK
Pull-ups (supersetted w/ rows)
Not weighted
4*8-10 reps

Rows (close grip)
2*210lb *8-10
2*230lb *6-8

Barbell Rows (shoulder width)
2*185lb *8-10 fairly easy [since i started Taurine/Potassium this is the 2nd hard workout. Was keeping the weight down just in case, because more than a few times doing back -- was unable to complete a given exercise & even workout due to debilitating pain/pumps]
2*205lb*8

Dumbbell pullovers
2*95lb * 10 and 9 reps

SHOULDERS
Standing military press
1*135lb*10
2*155lb*8-10
2*175lb [First few were warm ups. first time got 4 reps then 5]
2*185lb * 1 rep each, then did 2 cleans after per set

This is fairly difficult movement in general, than add to that the stress on joints. Haven't done for a few years, so getting back in the game. This is the 2nd time on cycle, i've done standing military presses and cleans. Hard to compare sitting barbell military presses to this for those that never do this. Expect exponential growth as this is a whole body movement.

I've been trying the Olympic style clean and jerk. Still have not gained more than 50% of flexibility. But its definitely coming back. Able to touch fists to floor. Once full range is nearly back, i will add fascia stretching exercises. In the past by utilizing fascia stretch i made further gains on creatine/glutamine cycles right into the end of the cycle and post completion. Lost very little strength other than water bloat, and usually kept it, unless 3-6 month layoff due to injuries. On top, the shape of the muscles and body in general improves dramatically w/ fascia stretching.

Dumbbell front and lateral delt raises
4sets*35-50lb *5-10 reps each

Machine Rear delts
4*110-130lb *7-10

Shrugs (machine)
2*5 45's each side =450lb * 5 and 6
I do this facing machine and facing away to take advantage of angle and the way it hits the traps. So 2* sets are really like 4.
2*4 45s *8-10 reps

Upright rows
2*90lb *10 reps

No abs/cardio

BW averaging last five days 236-239lb
That is w/ track pants/shirt use +_1-2lb standard deviation


Anomalies
Have yet to pick up the magnesium to add to the Taurine/Potassium intake daily to mitigate the pain/pumps. After yesterdays workout on back/shoulders, pain/pumps seems to have substantially subsided after a 2hr workout. It came back a little, but quickly went away. However, towards the last 20m did feel it, nothing to stop workouts, as it has done numerous times before.

Even walking around for about 10minutes the pain on the sides of the legs above ankle has mitigated, although it comes back from time to time. Not sure if the swelling in the lower part of the legs is causing it.

Above average sweating yesterday. Didn't do cardio or ingest ephedrine prior to workout.

Some days seems the air in the shoulders/arms is gone. Other days more present, the fullness in the muscles. Primary cause i suppose is the bloat becoming secondary, as the veins in biceps and forearms are becoming more visible in the morning. Strength is still there and increasing.
 
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Looking to stretch the cycle out to 20wks. Would adding a multi-ester Testosterone say Omnadern or Sustanon 250 start off from where i end the Testosterone enanthate? Meaning it doesn't have to build up like the test does the first few weeks, before one feels it.
 
was told that the eq would help me get through the pain, plus the collagen synthesis would help repair my patella tendons. Knees and joints are already hating me and im only 24...might be in a damn wheel chair by 40. Lets hope not though. Was thinking to kick start with t-bol, read it was d-bol without the bloat which would be perfect. Any exp?

Usually we always hear about the deca helping the pain. However, it wouldn't be a far fetched theory to say Eq will help. I am finding even the T/E is helping alleviate some of the pain in the knees. I would normally do leg presses after i hurt the knees for a whole year about 5 years back. Then slowly progressed to machine squats. Quickly on this cycle onto smith machine. Looking to start free weight hopefully by the next cycle. Not sure if time healing all wounds or T/E masking it, but physiologically T/E is definitely doing something.

T-bol, yes true w/out the bloat. You can definitely start w/ that the first 4-6 weeks. Then continue with the Eq.


Heard/read/have any exp with IGF? heard it could possibly repair tendons/ligaments. Read lots of people comparing it to HGH. right now HGH is pretty impossible for me to afford...(im a broke college student remember haha)

Yes, it does help at the cellular level in regenerating tendons/ligaments. Many choose to combine both IGF-1 and GH though.

Since broke bro. He he... been there :eek:

....try to get your hands on a few hundred units of GH, it is much more cost efficient.
 
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Post workout Wednesday evening Chest/Bi's Noticed arms are deflated by about 1/2"

Flexed

Left just over 17.5"
Right just over 16 3/4"

Is this common as one loses some of the bloat?
BW is still 4lb from the highs achieved so far during the cycle at 242lb.

Also during workout did not feel the usual pump where bi's/chest is ready to explode. Is this because last IMI was missed by one day instead of 4th day, it was done 5th day at 250mg?

Anyways odd.

Weighed post workout no clothes
238lb and change
 
Will do workout update in the morning. Running a little late.

Maybe over-trained? Hence the biceps deflated after getting no pump during workout. Cardio could be the likely culprit. For the first time in 9 weeks completed 20 minutes consecutively. Anyways, lets hypothesize after workout log.
 
Yes, it does help at the cellular level in regenerating tendons/ligaments. Many choose to combine both IGF-1 and GH though.

Since broke bro. He he... been there :eek:

....try to get your hands on a few hundred units of GH, it is much more cost efficient.

So instead of the EQ you think the HGH or IGF is the best way to go?

honestly it keeps getting worse and need to do something asap. Setting up a doc. appt very soon.
 
9 weeks on cycle Jan 27, 2011

16th shot completed left glute Jan 27, 2011 (3:05am)

No problems.

My current protocol is a shot every 4th day (1 shot = 250mg).

Noticed the 3 times i did it the 5th day, i started feeling a little tingling in chest area. Would have never thought levels start going off that fast, but to be expected according to 4 or 5 day T/E half life. Anyways best to be consistent w/ shots.
 
So instead of the EQ you think the HGH or IGF is the best way to go?

honestly it keeps getting worse and need to do something asap. Setting up a doc. appt very soon.

Over the years Vic, I have sustained serious injuries, I still feel the pain and injuries till this day and am looking to implement HGH in the near future at 3 to 4 I.U.s daily. To repair the body at the cellular level, the best way to go is the HGH route. The research over the last 5 or 6 years leads me to this conclusion. Over the last few years, IGF-1 has become especially popular in the synergy it provides w/ HGH usage for optimal growth/repair in bodybuilding circles. As cost for most is an issue adding IGF-1, best to go w/ base HGH -- like Test in all cycles.

If you go to the Orthopedic surgeon, they will usually refuse any shots for pain because of age, I had that problem when i was your age, even right now. Best to discuss this with a specialist or a sports physician btw, then go from there. Sometimes we can get better therapy ourselves i.e. i used to get Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) through doc around age 25-26, he never gave me the shots even when requested after 3 different regimens failed (read details above in log). Furthermore, after you get more details then you can go w/ self administered shots, as most doctors will not agree with you. I may be doing a cycle right (since dosage above Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dosages), however i feel like i am on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) all over again - a case of self administered therapy while saving a bundle monthly.

Eq, even deca will do the trick for a short period of time, but only to mask the problem and likely make it worst once you come off.

If you can get the funds, i would seriously look into HGH first then IGF-1. For irreparable damage caused by sports or other events even a 3 month cycle will do the trick. Usually we hear 6 months or longer, that is usually for bodybuilding needs.
 
Running behind on the logs for the last few workouts. Here we go.

Wed Jan 26, 2011 trained Chest/Bis

Prior to workout
1 ASA = 325mg
2 Ephedrine HCL = 8mg each
1 Caffeine = 200mg

20 minute stairmaster (interval) at level 5
For the first time since i been attempting cardio the last 4-5 weeks, have i gone this long w/out having to stop. The pain/pump was starting to interfere, but i pushed through just to see how far i can push. The pumps/pain have not totally stopped w/ Taurine/Potassium but greatly improved.

By the way, the biggest thing going into workout today was that i was feeling no pump. Normally the chest arms would be ready to explode. Number of hypothesis on the causes
1] too much cardio
2] too much Ephedrine - i've noted many times in the past that (off cycle) one can peak too early especially if cardio done before hand
3] missing T/E shots by 1 day throwing test levels off. 3 instances now.

Number of theories but nothing adds up. There are days when i am sitting around, the muscles are more pumped than workout w/ a better contraction. So in that regard likely culprit intense cardio. Anyways good to see how the body responds w/ different levels of stress and exercise regimens (both cardio/weights) followed.

CHEST
Incline Bench Press
2*185lb *10
2*205lb * 8 and 8 reps
1* 225lb *5 reps

Decline bench
4*225 8-10 reps
Left elbow was giving out. Seems like it had a mind of its own today. Literally felt it every inch bringing the weight back up.


Also on a side note some people need to know when to put pride aside. When one is attempting to do more weight than one can handle, simply ask for a spot. Seen this numerous times on the decline bench. Saw a guy struggling and groaning trying to get the 135lb off. Then out of the corner of my eyes i saw him, and quickly ran off to lift the weight off of him. He wasn't asking for assistance or anything w/ people all around him, while the weight continued to roll closer to his neck. Once i lifted the weight off, not even an acknowledgment. The lack of "thank you" aside, put pride aside and ask for assistance when needed. We are all never too big or too strong to ask for a hand.


Dumbbell fly's
3* 60lb>35lb for 8-12 reps
Will start incorporating this move more for stretching the fascia tissue and shaping the muscles as i regain flexibility.

Machine dips (1 45lb each)
3* 8-10 real slow and easy for the stretch. Feeling tingling in the shoulders and left elbow, so stayed away from dips.

BI'S
Pullups (not weighted)
4* 8-10 reps
To make it extra hard, unlocking elbows when hanging and ready for next rep.

Dumbbell curls
4* 35lb each * 6-8 reps each
No matter what i did the pump(s) just wasn't there. Plus at same time persistent pain especially in left elbow was present. So took it easy and went for pump and form. Normally when pushing a little more may allow self to cheat, but very little. Better to use less weight than do more

Preacher curls (supersetted w/ decline bench)
4sets * 75lb * 8-10

No abs

Anomalies
As reported above w/ lack of pumps

Persistent pain in joint elbows/shoulders. Need to add something for this. Any recommendations?

The 1/2" that i indicated i was losing on the bi's is likely because of the lack of pump not occurring to the same extent, which adds the girth.

For about 2 weeks had a problem w/ sleeping. That is back to normal. Sleeping like a baby every night.

Middle of the night hunger binges are no longer present the last 2 weeks.
 
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Fri Jan 28, 2011 evening trained Legs/Tri's

No cardio:dance2:

LEGS
Smith Machine squats
2*285lb * 8 and 10 reps(Olympic style nearly sitting down)
1*335lb*7 reps (below parallel)
1*375lb*5 (only to parallel)

Calves (sitting down)
1*5 45s *6-8
2*4 45s *8
1* 3 45s *10
Because of left leg pumps hard to get the stretch at the bottom. Stretch is key for calf growth, many i've noticed who have no legs/no calves avoid the stretch altogether.

Leg curl
4*110lb *8-10

Leg extension
4*190lb *8-10
Did a few drop down sets for pump. I still count that as 1 set.

The pain/pumps on the sides of the legs was debilitating post squat completion. Was limping the next hour or so. Especially left leg. Taurine or anything else even stretching seems to be doing nothing. Add to that the pain/pump in front of the left hip extending down mid way to thigh its been there since 2nd week of T/E.


TRI'S
Cable pushdowns
4* 150lb * 8-10reps
Due to elbow pain no mojo for push. Normally that 150lb is peanuts, pretty much anyone can do that. I normally use the machine for pull downs as 70-80lb is equivalent to the 150lb on cables.

Machine dips (normally always body weight-1st time here in 9 wks)
4*110-150lb * 7 reps exactly- was so out of it, let the machine do the counting even - its electronic. Surprisingly, it showed 7 reps each time. :dunno:
Same theme elbow/shoulder pain. The pain today was triggered by the squats (anything above 350lb +),then extends into elbow.

Close grip bench
2*135lb *10lb
2*185lb *6 (could hardly to this, normally can rep this w/ 2 plates)
Could hardly complete due to left elbow :help:

No abs
 
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Going into 10th week on T/E

Sat Evening Jan 29, 2011
trained Shoulders/Back

No cardio

SHOULDERS
Front and behind the neck Barbell shoulder press
2*95lb *8-10
2*145lb *8
1*165lb *6
Could have done more weight. But like all week kind of taking it easy, due to elbow/shoulder pain.

Also on a side note. Contrary to what i have said in one of the posts, i am again doing behind the neck shoulder press and behind the neck pull downs (first time on cycle). Those 2 exercises and upright are the worst for shoulder injuries. However, i found over the years,they also provide the all around muscle growth that military and front pull downs cannot.

Cable front/lateral raises
4*35lb *8-10 each

Machine rear delts
3*130lb * 8-10 reps
1*110lb * 12

Upright rows
1*115lb * 10
3*135lb *8-10 reps

Sitting down shrugs
3* 2 45s each side *8-10 reps

Shrugs (Machine)
2*4 45s +1 35lb * 6-8 reps
2* 4 45s * 10reps
1* 3 45s * 10-12 reps


BACK
Machine Rows
2* 3 45s each * 10 each
2* 4 45s + 1 25 * 7 & 8 reps each

Behind the neck pull downs
4*160< >140lb *8-10reps

Smith Machine close grip (reverse hand pull downs)
1* 2 45s+1 35lb each *5 reps
3* 2 45s+1 25lb each *6-8 reps
Kind of same angle as pull over, but not to the same degree. Provides super stretch for the lats though. Anyways, just because of the recurring theme this weeks, doing everything a little differently.

No abs

Anomalies
none
 
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Sat Evening Jan 29, 2011
trained Shoulders/Back

No cardio

SHOULDERS
Front and behind the neck Barbell shoulder press
2*95lb *8-10
2*145lb *8
1*165lb *6
Could have done more weight. But like all week kind of taking it easy, due to elbow/shoulder pain.

Also on a side note. Contrary to what i have said in one of the posts, i am again doing behind the neck shoulder press and behind the neck pull downs (first time on cycle). Those 2 exercises and upright are the worst for shoulder injuries. However, i found over the years,they also provide the all around muscle growth that military and front pull downs cannot.

Cable front/lateral raises
4*35lb *8-10 each

Machine rear delts
3*130lb * 8-10 reps
1*110lb * 12

Upright rows
1*115lb * 10
3*135lb *8-10 reps

Sitting down shrugs
3* 2 45s each side *8-10 reps

Shrugs (Machine)
2*4 45s +1 35lb * 6-8 reps
2* 4 45s * 10reps
1* 3 45s * 10-12 reps


BACK
Machine Rows
2* 3 45s each * 10 each
2* 4 45s + 1 25 * 7 & 8 reps each

Behind the neck pull downs
4*160< >140lb *8-10reps

Smith Machine close grip (reverse hand pull downs)
1* 2 45s+1 35lb each *5 reps
3* 2 45s+1 25lb each *6-8 reps
Kind of same angle as pull over, but not to the same degree. Provides super stretch for the lats though. Anyways, just because of the recurring theme this weeks, doing everything a little differently.

No abs

Anomalies
none

Forgot to note yesterday had stomach cramps, i have not had any since T/E commencement. Had to stop a few sets of shoulder presses, because of cramps.

Took 2 Taurine caps in morning and 2 before workout = 4000mg. This was the first time i took 4 caps in one day.
 
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17th shot completed

Right glute Jan 31, 11 (3:14am)

No problems. Other than a little pain upon initial insertion. Aimed a little too much to the lateral side. :Pat: No post IMI pain or bleeding.

While I am maintaining near peak weight, off by average 5-7lb from highs (242lb) -- feeling leaner. Will add a little more intense cardio post workouts to see how the body responds to that while on T/E. Can the fat burning be accelerated while on?
 
10 weeks today Feb 3, 2011 - 10 more to go

Didn't feel totally recovered from Sat workout, took 2 days off. Lately little things here and there throwing workouts off. I don't want any excuses for time off, want to stick to regular schedule 3 days on eod, which allows me to complete all body parts.

Tues Feb 1, 11 trained Chest/Bis

CHEST
Incline bench
2*185lb*8 & 9
2*205lb* 6 & 8
1*225lb *5
1*255lb *1 reps
Shoulder/elbow pain still persistent, but tolerable. Definitely felt it on dumbbell presses, especially shoulders.

Flat bench dumbbell press
4*85lb each * 8-10 reps

Dips (not weighted)
4*9-11 reps

Bi's
EZ Bar curl
5sets *75lb-125lb 6-12 reps
not as painful in the elbows as last week.

Cybex Machine curls (tried for first time. Machine is like dumbbell curls sitting on incline bench except at almost 90 degree angle)
4*35-45lb each *6-9 reps

Preacher Curls (Machine)
4*60-70lb *8-10 reps

Post workout
Cardio
Cybex elliptical hill interval 30m level 5. Finished no problem. Longest i have went since T/E started. Definitely feel different doing this being average 25-30lb heavier, breathing and intensity wise. With 10 more weeks to go on cycle will definitely push the cardio a little more, get rid of some of the water myself. Average heart rate was 143-149.



No abs

Anomalies
The pump is back in the arms but not to the same degree. Last Thursday when i trained chest/bi, it was literally not there. The first 5-6 weeks the bi's would get so pumped that i would have to stop short of completing a rep or two extra that i wanted to do from time to time.

No other problems on face, chest, shoulders, or back in the form of acne, redness, or anything else, except irritation from time to time on upper back/shoulders.

Post workout weigh in

240 (about an ounce under 240lb)[No clothes/shoes]
Holding near peak, so far peak @242lb 4-5 weeks back.

I have cut back close to 2000 calories on off days, still maintaining the weight. Anomaly? i don't know, but i cut mostly shakes replaced w/ more food. If i hold around here, i think another 10 weeks i may touch the 250lb marker. I am not necessarily just looking for the weight, just saying that it may happen. I rather have my strength steadily continue to increase.

Goals were

1]for 3 plates on bench press = 315lb for 1RM - still doable IMHO

2] about 450-500lb on dead lift. I think 420-430 doable now. Lately haven't had a chance because of pumps/pain, although they have greatly diminished w/ the addition of taurine/potassium

3] squat 425-450lb for reps
 
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have you found out exactly why the extreme pumps? had this in my cycle of test e also and had to cut the much loved leg workouts short a good bit of times. the taurine and pot helping? I def have to find a way to get rid of or even suppress the pumps a good bit, I love/have to work legs...

As far as the pain in your joints, etc-- that's the whole reason Im planning on adding eq to my next cycle...and hopefully repair these tendons a lil bit...see if you can get a hold of some-possibly a small dose of deca or anavar. Anavar will also keep you hard and promote lean muscle mass and keep you far from any bloat.

Still following. Don't let back on the gas now. If anything floor it and push harder to finish out. As always, train hard!
 
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18th shot

completed left glute Feb 4, 2011 3:05am

No problems.

One of these days, i want to try a shot somewhere other than the glutes. Need to get some smaller syringe sizes. Likely quad shots first, before delts, bi's, tri's, or anywhere else
 
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