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Testosterone Enanthate only cycle - 1st in 14 years of training on/off
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randy841
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20th shot completed
Left glute
Monday Feb 14, 2011
12:55am
Shot was due Sat night (Early Sun morning). This is 5th instance of missing 4 days. This time i have a valid excuse unlike the other four missed shots on the scheduled day.
Before that it was nothing more than laziness and being tired post workouts. Saturday had serious pain in elbows post completion -- roller wheel abs for 3 sets (10 10 16 reps). There are easier ways of doing this and harder ways, i choose the harder way and paid for it. Extended near 160-170 degrees at the bottom. On the way up all the pressure was on the elbows.
Upon IMI that morning did a little poking and prodding, like you would a cow. No. Not even they get abused like this ... LOL
. First time poked a little -- didn't go fast enough - needle did not go in. So had to do it again with 90 degree trajectory - no problem. Felt like a amateur mistake. It was. Light bleeding for a few minutes. Mild pain the next 2 days.
Anyways the most surprising thing occurred during Sunday evening workout. The pump was enormous. Haven't had a good pump for the last few weeks, because of taking it a little easier, than normal due to pain in shoulders/elbows. Having lost the pump and regained. Now i understand what Arnold Schwarzenegger meant when he said he 'lives for the pump and its the best feeling in the world', in "Pumping Iron". You want to repeat that pump feeling over and over. The chest and bis had a mind of their own that evening.
Left glute
Monday Feb 14, 2011
12:55am
Shot was due Sat night (Early Sun morning). This is 5th instance of missing 4 days. This time i have a valid excuse unlike the other four missed shots on the scheduled day.
Before that it was nothing more than laziness and being tired post workouts. Saturday had serious pain in elbows post completion -- roller wheel abs for 3 sets (10 10 16 reps). There are easier ways of doing this and harder ways, i choose the harder way and paid for it. Extended near 160-170 degrees at the bottom. On the way up all the pressure was on the elbows.Upon IMI that morning did a little poking and prodding, like you would a cow. No. Not even they get abused like this ... LOL
. First time poked a little -- didn't go fast enough - needle did not go in. So had to do it again with 90 degree trajectory - no problem. Felt like a amateur mistake. It was. Light bleeding for a few minutes. Mild pain the next 2 days. Anyways the most surprising thing occurred during Sunday evening workout. The pump was enormous. Haven't had a good pump for the last few weeks, because of taking it a little easier, than normal due to pain in shoulders/elbows. Having lost the pump and regained. Now i understand what Arnold Schwarzenegger meant when he said he 'lives for the pump and its the best feeling in the world', in "Pumping Iron". You want to repeat that pump feeling over and over. The chest and bis had a mind of their own that evening.
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randy841
New member
In 12th week T/E 500mg weekly (Feb 17, 2011)
Friday Feb 11, 2011
Trained Back/Tris
20m StairMaster - pump in the legs/backs still present. So i do have to take it easier. I am increasing the cardio incrementally on a weekly basis, to have this problem become second nature. It is slowly getting better. TSH pending testing, and that may cure the problem. If i've done everything on my part i.e. addition of Taurine/Potassium & stretching, low TSH (thyroid) levels may be a problem. The level of flexibility is no where, where i would expect it. Yes, i do realize carrying around 25lb extra adds to pumps. But at this point low TSH levels is the primary catalyst - given the extent of the problem and anecdotal evidence.
TSH Test
1. How is it used?
2. When is it ordered?
3. What does the test result mean?
4. Is there anything else I should know?
How is it used?
The TSH test is often the test of choice for evaluating thyroid function and/or symptoms of hyper- or hypothyroidism. It is frequently ordered along with or preceding a T4 test. Other thyroid tests that may be ordered include a T3 test and thyroid antibodies (if autoimmune-related thyroid disease is suspected).
TSH testing is used to:
* diagnose a thyroid disorder in a person with symptoms,
* screen newborns for an underactive thyroid,
* monitor thyroid replacement therapy in people with hypothyroidism
* diagnose and monitor female infertility problems,
* help evaluate the function of the pituitary gland (occasionally), and
* screen adults for thyroid disorders, although expert opinions vary on who can benefit from screening and at what age to begin.
When is it ordered?
The doctor may order a TSH test when a patient has symptoms of hyper- or hypothyroidism and/or when a patient has an enlarged thyroid gland. It may be ordered at regular intervals to monitor the effectiveness of treatment when a patient is being treated for a known thyroid disorder.
TSH screening is routinely performed in the United States on newborns as part of each states newborn screening program. The American Thyroid Association recommends that adults older than age 35 be screened for thyroid disease with a TSH test every five years, although other organizations, such as the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, challenge this recommendation. Several organizations recommend instead screening women over 50 or those at high risk for thyroid disorders, such as pregnant and postpartum women.
What does the test result mean?
Looking for reference ranges?
A high TSH result often means an underactive thyroid gland that is not responding adequately to the stimulation of TSH due to some type of acute or chronic thyroid dysfunction. Rarely, a high TSH result can indicate a problem with the pituitary gland, such as a tumor producing unregulated levels of TSH. A high TSH value can also occur when patients with a known thyroid disorder (or those who have had their thyroid gland removed) are receiving too little thyroid hormone medication.
A low TSH result can indicate an overactive thyroid gland (hyperthyroidism) or excessive amounts of thyroid hormone medication in those who are being treated for an underactive (or removed) thyroid gland. Rarely, a low TSH result may indicate damage to the pituitary gland that prevents it from producing adequate amounts of TSH.
Whether high or low, an abnormal TSH indicates an excess or deficiency in the amount of thyroid hormone available to the body, but it does not indicate the reason why. An abnormal TSH test result is usually followed by additional testing to investigate the cause of the increase or decrease.
The following table summarizes test results and their potential meaning.
TSH T4 T3 Interpretation
High Normal Normal Mild (subclinical) hypothyroidism
High Low Low or normal Hypothyroidism
Low Normal Normal Mild (subclinical) hyperthyroidism
Low High or normal High or normal
Hyperthyroidism
Low Low or normal Low or normal
Nonthyroidal illness; rare pituitary (secondary) hypothyroidism
TSH: The Test
NOTE
Because of elbow pains, taking it easier than normal. Form as always is key. Remaining strict w/ little cheating as possible. Training this way is easier i find - much easier than pushing heavy & low repetitions always. Usually change routine every 3 months. On cycle pros like Dorian Yates changed every 6 weeks. Low reps bring great strength and power, but not necessarily the same level of muscle growth. Both heavy/low reps, & lighter/higher reps should be incorporated for optimal growth. When it comes to growth, the muscles don't know whether you are doing 40 or 60lb. Its the end result that matters.
BACK
Pull-ups (supersetted w/ behind the neck pull-downs)
4sets*8-12 reps
Behind the neck pull-downs
4*130-150lb *8-12 reps
Dumbbell rows
1*95lb * 12 reps
3*125lb * 8 reps
Dumbbell pullovers
1*100lb * 12 reps
2*125lb * 8 & 7 reps
1* 80lb * 12 reps
Cable wide grip rows
4* 210-230lb * 8-12 reps
TRIS
Overhead Cable extensions
4*60-130lb * 8-12 reps
Close grip bench
1*135*10 reps
3*185lb* 10 10 8 reps
Overhead dumbbell press
3*95lb * 8-10 reps
1*70* 12 reps
EZ Curl push-downs
3*40-60lb * 12-15 reps for pump and finish. i.e. wax coat and buffing...
No abs
Friday Feb 11, 2011
Trained Back/Tris
20m StairMaster - pump in the legs/backs still present. So i do have to take it easier. I am increasing the cardio incrementally on a weekly basis, to have this problem become second nature. It is slowly getting better. TSH pending testing, and that may cure the problem. If i've done everything on my part i.e. addition of Taurine/Potassium & stretching, low TSH (thyroid) levels may be a problem. The level of flexibility is no where, where i would expect it. Yes, i do realize carrying around 25lb extra adds to pumps. But at this point low TSH levels is the primary catalyst - given the extent of the problem and anecdotal evidence.
TSH Test
1. How is it used?
2. When is it ordered?
3. What does the test result mean?
4. Is there anything else I should know?
How is it used?
The TSH test is often the test of choice for evaluating thyroid function and/or symptoms of hyper- or hypothyroidism. It is frequently ordered along with or preceding a T4 test. Other thyroid tests that may be ordered include a T3 test and thyroid antibodies (if autoimmune-related thyroid disease is suspected).
TSH testing is used to:
* diagnose a thyroid disorder in a person with symptoms,
* screen newborns for an underactive thyroid,
* monitor thyroid replacement therapy in people with hypothyroidism
* diagnose and monitor female infertility problems,
* help evaluate the function of the pituitary gland (occasionally), and
* screen adults for thyroid disorders, although expert opinions vary on who can benefit from screening and at what age to begin.
When is it ordered?
The doctor may order a TSH test when a patient has symptoms of hyper- or hypothyroidism and/or when a patient has an enlarged thyroid gland. It may be ordered at regular intervals to monitor the effectiveness of treatment when a patient is being treated for a known thyroid disorder.
TSH screening is routinely performed in the United States on newborns as part of each states newborn screening program. The American Thyroid Association recommends that adults older than age 35 be screened for thyroid disease with a TSH test every five years, although other organizations, such as the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, challenge this recommendation. Several organizations recommend instead screening women over 50 or those at high risk for thyroid disorders, such as pregnant and postpartum women.
What does the test result mean?
Looking for reference ranges?
A high TSH result often means an underactive thyroid gland that is not responding adequately to the stimulation of TSH due to some type of acute or chronic thyroid dysfunction. Rarely, a high TSH result can indicate a problem with the pituitary gland, such as a tumor producing unregulated levels of TSH. A high TSH value can also occur when patients with a known thyroid disorder (or those who have had their thyroid gland removed) are receiving too little thyroid hormone medication.
A low TSH result can indicate an overactive thyroid gland (hyperthyroidism) or excessive amounts of thyroid hormone medication in those who are being treated for an underactive (or removed) thyroid gland. Rarely, a low TSH result may indicate damage to the pituitary gland that prevents it from producing adequate amounts of TSH.
Whether high or low, an abnormal TSH indicates an excess or deficiency in the amount of thyroid hormone available to the body, but it does not indicate the reason why. An abnormal TSH test result is usually followed by additional testing to investigate the cause of the increase or decrease.
The following table summarizes test results and their potential meaning.
TSH T4 T3 Interpretation
High Normal Normal Mild (subclinical) hypothyroidism
High Low Low or normal Hypothyroidism
Low Normal Normal Mild (subclinical) hyperthyroidism
Low High or normal High or normal
Hyperthyroidism
Low Low or normal Low or normal
Nonthyroidal illness; rare pituitary (secondary) hypothyroidism
TSH: The Test
NOTE
Because of elbow pains, taking it easier than normal. Form as always is key. Remaining strict w/ little cheating as possible. Training this way is easier i find - much easier than pushing heavy & low repetitions always. Usually change routine every 3 months. On cycle pros like Dorian Yates changed every 6 weeks. Low reps bring great strength and power, but not necessarily the same level of muscle growth. Both heavy/low reps, & lighter/higher reps should be incorporated for optimal growth. When it comes to growth, the muscles don't know whether you are doing 40 or 60lb. Its the end result that matters.
BACK
Pull-ups (supersetted w/ behind the neck pull-downs)
4sets*8-12 reps
Behind the neck pull-downs
4*130-150lb *8-12 reps
Dumbbell rows
1*95lb * 12 reps
3*125lb * 8 reps
Dumbbell pullovers
1*100lb * 12 reps
2*125lb * 8 & 7 reps
1* 80lb * 12 reps
Cable wide grip rows
4* 210-230lb * 8-12 reps
TRIS
Overhead Cable extensions
4*60-130lb * 8-12 reps
Close grip bench
1*135*10 reps
3*185lb* 10 10 8 reps
Overhead dumbbell press
3*95lb * 8-10 reps
1*70* 12 reps
EZ Curl push-downs
3*40-60lb * 12-15 reps for pump and finish. i.e. wax coat and buffing...
No abs
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Deerawk
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Do these before bed if you can:
Lie on your back and pull your shoulder blades in. Roll onto your side with your arm tucked under your body. Pull out your elbow so it is 90 degress from your body with your arm sticking straight into the air. Press down on your wrist trying to push your hand so that it can touch the ground. You should feel a stretch through your entire shoulder and upper arm. Do these carefully. Hold for as 30seconds to 1 minute. Another variation to add is to have your elbow higher than 90 degrees out which is harder. These will help open up your shoulders. Eventually you are supposed to be able to touch the floor with your hand. I can on one side, the bad side I am a good 60 degrees away. I do both sides before bed, 2 sets of each variation.
Thats the best way I can describe that stretch, it is the best for the rotator though.
Do these during your warmup. Make sure you are getting a real good warmup in on any day you are exercising your shoulders or chest. These are all ballistic stretches and will not affect your workouts. I don't static stretch before workouts because I believe they cause micro tears in your muscles, reducing the weight your can use. They are best post workout.
Rotations: Hold light dumbells in your hands, arms down, forearms parallel to the ground. Rotate your arms outward until you feel a good stretch. Keep your elbows tucked in to your side. I use 10-15lbs. Put in a few sets of 15-20 reps. You can also do these lying on your side, elbow against your body.
Put your back flat agains't the wall and squat slightly. Bring your arms from your sides, keeping them flat agaisn't the wall and bring them up over your head, fully extended. Do not let them come off the wall. Keep your back flat on the wall also. I promise this will be difficult with no weight. Put in 2 sets of 15-20 reps.
Throw in some shoulder circles, arms up and straight out. Go through small quick ones, reverse and forward, to large slower ones, reverse and forward. Keep your traps and face relaxed.
Lastly I like to throw in a few sets of pushups and/or light cable flyes. Slow, perfect form, squeezing each rep and getting a full stretch. By now your chest and shoulders should be nice and warm and ready to rock. I cannot stress how important a solid warmup is if you have shoulder injuries.
Post workout some doorway stretches are good to open up the chest. Anytime you are static stretching you need to hold the stretch for a minimum of 30 seconds. The stretch doesn't even take full effect until 30 seconds.
Hope this helps.
Lie on your back and pull your shoulder blades in. Roll onto your side with your arm tucked under your body. Pull out your elbow so it is 90 degress from your body with your arm sticking straight into the air. Press down on your wrist trying to push your hand so that it can touch the ground. You should feel a stretch through your entire shoulder and upper arm. Do these carefully. Hold for as 30seconds to 1 minute. Another variation to add is to have your elbow higher than 90 degrees out which is harder. These will help open up your shoulders. Eventually you are supposed to be able to touch the floor with your hand. I can on one side, the bad side I am a good 60 degrees away. I do both sides before bed, 2 sets of each variation.
Thats the best way I can describe that stretch, it is the best for the rotator though.
Do these during your warmup. Make sure you are getting a real good warmup in on any day you are exercising your shoulders or chest. These are all ballistic stretches and will not affect your workouts. I don't static stretch before workouts because I believe they cause micro tears in your muscles, reducing the weight your can use. They are best post workout.
Rotations: Hold light dumbells in your hands, arms down, forearms parallel to the ground. Rotate your arms outward until you feel a good stretch. Keep your elbows tucked in to your side. I use 10-15lbs. Put in a few sets of 15-20 reps. You can also do these lying on your side, elbow against your body.
Put your back flat agains't the wall and squat slightly. Bring your arms from your sides, keeping them flat agaisn't the wall and bring them up over your head, fully extended. Do not let them come off the wall. Keep your back flat on the wall also. I promise this will be difficult with no weight. Put in 2 sets of 15-20 reps.
Throw in some shoulder circles, arms up and straight out. Go through small quick ones, reverse and forward, to large slower ones, reverse and forward. Keep your traps and face relaxed.
Lastly I like to throw in a few sets of pushups and/or light cable flyes. Slow, perfect form, squeezing each rep and getting a full stretch. By now your chest and shoulders should be nice and warm and ready to rock. I cannot stress how important a solid warmup is if you have shoulder injuries.
Post workout some doorway stretches are good to open up the chest. Anytime you are static stretching you need to hold the stretch for a minimum of 30 seconds. The stretch doesn't even take full effect until 30 seconds.
Hope this helps.
randy841
New member
Sunday evening
Trained Chest/Bi's
Saturdays elbow pain from doing roller abs gone, noted above.
1hr Prior took
1 8mg Ephedrine HCL
1 325mg Aspirin
20m StairMaster level 3 interval.
30m Elliptical level 5 hill interval
Both completed w/out any difficulty. Minor pumps/pain on the stair master, nothing on elliptical.
Of all the cardio machines utilized stair master is the hardest IMHO. For that reason, i focus on that always, as most will notice in terms of cardio reported each workout, whether for warm up or/and cardio. Nothing else compares. I don't lean on machine or touch it, whether i skip a step or do 1 step at a time. For anyone that tried that, its comparable to those who are leaning w/ both their arms/shoulders on the handle bars, then only moving their legs on a higher level.
CHEST
Flat Bench Press
1*185*10 reps
3*225lb * 10 reps
1* 245lb * 6 + 2 assisted reps
Extensive stretching is done - intermittent increase each week. Left shoulder/chest area is much stiffer/tighter than right. Lack of flexibility may be the cause for more pain on the left elbow and shoulder, discounting prior injuries. In terms of the strength, left side is also dominant. This happened years ago due to an injury. Before that dominance prevailed on the right side of the body. Since injury able to do many of the same tasks w/ left arm as well as right, except writing w/ a pen and paper.
Decline Bench Press
4* 235lb * 8 reps exactly each time (Personal best)
- last set had spotter in case, not used.
Incline Bench Press
4*185lb* 8 8 8 10 reps
Was pulling this pretty easy, but finishing up, so repped it out w/ strict form.
Dips (Not weighted)
2* 10 and 12 reps
BI'S
Dumbbell curls
2*35*9 each
1* 40lb * 8 each
1* 45lb * 7 reps
EZ Curl Bar (supersetted w/ concentration curls)
2*75*10
1*95lb * 10 reps
2* 115lb 6 & 7 reps Last 1-2 reps cheated. I focus on the negatives then. Cheat a little to bring it up, then bring it down slowly as possible w/ strict form.
Concentration curls (standing bent over 90 degree angle)
35-45lb * 8-12 each For max pump assisted w/ other hand for last few reps
Pull-ups (not weighted)
1set*10 reps
No abs
Anomalies
as reported above. I had the best pumps not seen in weeks now. I was able to push push just as hard w/ only mild pump/pain coming in the end performing Dumbbell and EZ barbell curls.
Acne has been fairly non-existent on cycle w/ the occasional white head here and there. Seen one white head on chin this Monday, and small pimple on right side of jaw (just redness). Overall 1-3 pimples pop up every few weeks. In teen years, had acne and scarring that was fairly bad - did numerous cycles of Accutane, i thought this cycle would repeat that.
Body-weight
w/ clothes/shoes/track pants
240 & 1/4lb (For accuracy use standard deviation -3 to 4lb)
Weigh in the next day @home w/ shirt/track pants 238 & 1/2lb - maintaining the weight fairly well, i expected some loss due to calorie reduction.
I've drastically cut down the calories on off days and by about 500-1000cal on workout days. The real food is whats doing the trick. Supplements are only that supplements, in addition to ones normal diet. For those looking to grow and keep muscle mass, weight, & strength -- Eat eat eat & some more - but spread it out throughout the day. I am averaging 4 good meals daily, if not five. And yes, it can be done on a vegetarian diet.
Trained Chest/Bi's
Saturdays elbow pain from doing roller abs gone, noted above.
1hr Prior took
1 8mg Ephedrine HCL
1 325mg Aspirin
20m StairMaster level 3 interval.
30m Elliptical level 5 hill interval
Both completed w/out any difficulty. Minor pumps/pain on the stair master, nothing on elliptical.
Of all the cardio machines utilized stair master is the hardest IMHO. For that reason, i focus on that always, as most will notice in terms of cardio reported each workout, whether for warm up or/and cardio. Nothing else compares. I don't lean on machine or touch it, whether i skip a step or do 1 step at a time. For anyone that tried that, its comparable to those who are leaning w/ both their arms/shoulders on the handle bars, then only moving their legs on a higher level.
CHEST
Flat Bench Press
1*185*10 reps
3*225lb * 10 reps
1* 245lb * 6 + 2 assisted reps
Extensive stretching is done - intermittent increase each week. Left shoulder/chest area is much stiffer/tighter than right. Lack of flexibility may be the cause for more pain on the left elbow and shoulder, discounting prior injuries. In terms of the strength, left side is also dominant. This happened years ago due to an injury. Before that dominance prevailed on the right side of the body. Since injury able to do many of the same tasks w/ left arm as well as right, except writing w/ a pen and paper.
Decline Bench Press
4* 235lb * 8 reps exactly each time (Personal best)
- last set had spotter in case, not used.
Incline Bench Press
4*185lb* 8 8 8 10 reps
Was pulling this pretty easy, but finishing up, so repped it out w/ strict form.
Dips (Not weighted)
2* 10 and 12 reps
BI'S
Dumbbell curls
2*35*9 each
1* 40lb * 8 each
1* 45lb * 7 reps
EZ Curl Bar (supersetted w/ concentration curls)
2*75*10
1*95lb * 10 reps
2* 115lb 6 & 7 reps Last 1-2 reps cheated. I focus on the negatives then. Cheat a little to bring it up, then bring it down slowly as possible w/ strict form.
Concentration curls (standing bent over 90 degree angle)
35-45lb * 8-12 each For max pump assisted w/ other hand for last few reps
Pull-ups (not weighted)
1set*10 reps
No abs
Anomalies
as reported above. I had the best pumps not seen in weeks now. I was able to push push just as hard w/ only mild pump/pain coming in the end performing Dumbbell and EZ barbell curls.
Acne has been fairly non-existent on cycle w/ the occasional white head here and there. Seen one white head on chin this Monday, and small pimple on right side of jaw (just redness). Overall 1-3 pimples pop up every few weeks. In teen years, had acne and scarring that was fairly bad - did numerous cycles of Accutane, i thought this cycle would repeat that.
Body-weight
w/ clothes/shoes/track pants
240 & 1/4lb (For accuracy use standard deviation -3 to 4lb)
Weigh in the next day @home w/ shirt/track pants 238 & 1/2lb - maintaining the weight fairly well, i expected some loss due to calorie reduction.
I've drastically cut down the calories on off days and by about 500-1000cal on workout days. The real food is whats doing the trick. Supplements are only that supplements, in addition to ones normal diet. For those looking to grow and keep muscle mass, weight, & strength -- Eat eat eat & some more - but spread it out throughout the day. I am averaging 4 good meals daily, if not five. And yes, it can be done on a vegetarian diet.
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randy841
New member
Wed Feb 16, 2011 adding 20mg Anavar daily to the 500mg wkly T/E cycle
With 8 more weeks to go on T/E, adding Anavar 20mg daily ONLY at this time. Most suggest a higher dosage, triple that i.e. 60mg+. For now i want to see how i respond to just 20mg. I will adjust accordingly.
I respond fairly well to any type of supplement. I've done well on 1st cycle. In another post, i was questioned whether i was lying about the 28lb bodyweight gained.
Due to various factors such as low Test, injuries affecting pituitary gland, vege diet, or/and low TSH I find i have above average response to any external stimulus.
NOTE Before injuries, i responded very well to just creatine or/and glutamine + protein/weight gainers too. At that time never got self tested for low test, only post injuries did i notice a change in recovery & body composition, that i had a checkup.
Anyways, I don't have the exact reasons why but i'd say that is fairly common result the response i got on T/E so far. Albeit, it may be lower for some and higher for others in terms of weight due to various factors such as diet & training experience. It may be that i lack many nutrients because of vege diet, compounded by low Test/TSH. Hence, the body goes into shock and tries to make up for the inefficiencies.
The response to T/E 500mg wkly as been well fairly documented so far, in great detail, i will see what the Anavar does.
With 8 more weeks to go on T/E, adding Anavar 20mg daily ONLY at this time. Most suggest a higher dosage, triple that i.e. 60mg+. For now i want to see how i respond to just 20mg. I will adjust accordingly.
I respond fairly well to any type of supplement. I've done well on 1st cycle. In another post, i was questioned whether i was lying about the 28lb bodyweight gained.
Due to various factors such as low Test, injuries affecting pituitary gland, vege diet, or/and low TSH I find i have above average response to any external stimulus.
NOTE Before injuries, i responded very well to just creatine or/and glutamine + protein/weight gainers too. At that time never got self tested for low test, only post injuries did i notice a change in recovery & body composition, that i had a checkup.
Anyways, I don't have the exact reasons why but i'd say that is fairly common result the response i got on T/E so far. Albeit, it may be lower for some and higher for others in terms of weight due to various factors such as diet & training experience. It may be that i lack many nutrients because of vege diet, compounded by low Test/TSH. Hence, the body goes into shock and tries to make up for the inefficiencies.
The response to T/E 500mg wkly as been well fairly documented so far, in great detail, i will see what the Anavar does.
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randy841
New member
randy841
New member
Averaging out daily dosage of T/E.
Presently shots are every 4th day = 62.5mg daily
Wkly dosage works out to 62.5mg*7 days = 437.5mg
Changing the frequency to 250mg every 3rd from today [last day of wk 12 to 20] 250mg = 83.33mg per day
Wkly 83.33*7 days = 583.33
I want to more closely approximate the dosage of 600mg wkly cited in study above.
Since i am doing 250mg every 8 days or 9 days (in 5 instances), I am getting below average of 500mg wkly - recommended dosage. If i had to stuck to shots say M/Thur or T/Fri, dosage would be more accurate. However, i wanted exact days in between shots that threw me a little off. Just a small adjustment as i complete 12 weeks on Feb 17, 2011, 8 more to go.
For last 8 wks, I have added 20mg Anavar starting today.
Presently shots are every 4th day = 62.5mg daily
Wkly dosage works out to 62.5mg*7 days = 437.5mg
Changing the frequency to 250mg every 3rd from today [last day of wk 12 to 20] 250mg = 83.33mg per day
Wkly 83.33*7 days = 583.33
I want to more closely approximate the dosage of 600mg wkly cited in study above.
Since i am doing 250mg every 8 days or 9 days (in 5 instances), I am getting below average of 500mg wkly - recommended dosage. If i had to stuck to shots say M/Thur or T/Fri, dosage would be more accurate. However, i wanted exact days in between shots that threw me a little off. Just a small adjustment as i complete 12 weeks on Feb 17, 2011, 8 more to go.
For last 8 wks, I have added 20mg Anavar starting today.
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randy841
New member
Have not changed frequency yet. Will only start after 12th week fully completed as of yesterday Feb 17, 2011.
randy841
New member
Feb 17, 2011 12 weeks completed
21st shot completed right glute Feb 18, 2011 (3:25)
No problems
So far w/ the exception of 5 shots (every 5th day), injections were every 4th day. Starting Sunday Feb 20th, shots will be every 3rd day, due to the calculations done above on T/E average per wk. That should increase my T/E uptake from 437.5mg per wk to 583.33mg per wk.
21st shot completed right glute Feb 18, 2011 (3:25)
No problems
So far w/ the exception of 5 shots (every 5th day), injections were every 4th day. Starting Sunday Feb 20th, shots will be every 3rd day, due to the calculations done above on T/E average per wk. That should increase my T/E uptake from 437.5mg per wk to 583.33mg per wk.
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randy841
New member
With 8 more weeks to go on T/E, adding Anavar 20mg daily ONLY at this time. Most suggest a higher dosage, triple that i.e. 60mg+. For now i want to see how i respond to just 20mg. I will adjust accordingly.
I respond fairly well to any type of supplement. I've done well on 1st cycle. In another post, i was questioned whether i was lying about the 28lb bodyweight gained.
Due to various factors such as low Test, injuries affecting pituitary gland, vege diet, or/and low TSH I find i have above average response to any external stimulus.
NOTE Before injuries, i responded very well to just creatine or/and glutamine + protein/weight gainers too. At that time never got self tested for low test, only post injuries did i notice a change in recovery & body composition, that i had a checkup.
Anyways, I don't have the exact reasons why but i'd say that is fairly common result the response i got on T/E so far. Albeit, it may be lower for some and higher for others in terms of weight due to various factors such as diet & training experience. It may be that i lack many nutrients because of vege diet, compounded by low Test/TSH. Hence, the body goes into shock and tries to make up for the inefficiencies.
Anavar is administered in the following manner to take full advantage of the 8hr half-life.
On workout days taken at exactly 4pm.
Non-workout days 10:30-11:00AM
I have heard of contradicting opinions on whether to take Anavar split-up throughout the day or all at once.
If there are contraindications, please point them out.
In a analogous fashion to the details below, i have done the same for the cycle logs the past 12 weeks. Critique is welcome on training, diet, & AAS administration, if any.
Regardless of the time 20mg Anavar is taken along w/ (all at once)
2 1000mg each Taurine capsules
1 1000 Calcium carbonate
1 500mcg Vitamin B-12
1 Multi-vitamin
1 500mg chewable vitamin C following intake
Should it be split up into 2 10mg dosages every 8 hours?[/SIZE][/B]
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randy841
New member
New personal best - squats 395lb *5
Tues Feb 15, 2011 Trained Legs/Tris
Exactly 1hr prior. Took
1 8mg Ephedrine HCL tab
1 325mg ASA
Prior to workout
20m Stair Master level 3 completed - speed training setting. After 1m into it, had to quickly reduce level 3 to 1 due to pumps in back/legs. Level 1 is equivalent to level 3 or 4 on interval setting. When i was a light weight (205-217lb), speed training was much easier, felt like a feather weight did it for average 45minutes at level 5 or higher --no problem.
LEGS
Smith Machine squat
Always a few warm up sets to start-off are completed w/ 1, 2, & 3 plates each side
1*285lb*9 (Olympic style)
2*335*6 & 8 reps (1 set below parallel, last one Olympic style)
No wraps are ever used. Belt only @ or above 375lb. No problems w/ pump or/and pain. As bad as the knees were over the years, i am having no problems w/ pain. In fact, whatever pain i had coming into cycle has been greatly alleviated on T/E. Sometimes a little at the beginning and stiffness until warm up and stretches are completed, that is normal. One thing that is noticeable is a little instability w/ Olympic style squats, where the right leg seems to sway a little to the right when coming up. Once i have the instability out of the way, I will move onto free weights.
1*375lb*6 reps (below parallel)
1*395lb*5 (at or below parallel)[New personal best]
I want to be able to do 375lb Olympic style over the next few weeks.
When trying for more than 8 reps (@285lb or 335lb), i run out breath. Actually more like running out muscle endurance (breathing still ok), before i run out actual capacity to do more.
Stiff leg barbell dead-lift
2*185lb *10 reps
2*235lb*10 reps
Leg Extension
5*110-290lb 5-12 reps
Each heavy heavy set was followed by multiple drop sets
Leg Curls (lying down)
4*130-90lb *8-12 reps
Each set was followed by 1 drop set w/ 1/2 the weight
Calves (sitting)
5sets*6plates 45s - to 4 45s *6-12 reps followed by extensive stretching
TRI'S
Close grip bench
1*185lb*10
2*205 8 & 10
1*225lb*6
Overhead cable extensions (Ez-curl bar)
4sets*70-110lb *8-12 reps
Tried straight bar, felt nothing then quickly changed to Ez-curl (alternate wkly between Ez Curl bar and small V shaped bar)
Ez-Curl push downs (super light wght for pump) Wider grip then overhead extensions
4*40-60* 8-15 reps
Done nice and slowly. Tri's feel like they will burn and rip apart as i do about 5 reps.
No abs
Anomalies
The shoulder pronated even slightly holding squat bar very easily causes pain in shoulder, that travels to the elbows. Noticeable in session(s) where it is followed by close grip bench for Tri's. Even w/out squats on a particular workout day, the elbows pain is ongoing for the last 5-6 weeks on/off. Only 2 of the last 6 wks was it really hard to push self to the same intensity level. Nevertheless,during the high and lows of the last 5-6 weeks, still worked out just as hard but changed exercises, sets, & repetitions. As a result of shoulder/elbow pain only the bench press has plateaued (@295lb *1RM). The squat & dead-lift, i continue to set multi-week personal bests.
BW - seems its have been written in stone. Haven't budged from the range of 235-241lb the last 7-8wks.
Tues Feb 15, 2011 Trained Legs/Tris
Exactly 1hr prior. Took
1 8mg Ephedrine HCL tab
1 325mg ASA
Prior to workout
20m Stair Master level 3 completed - speed training setting. After 1m into it, had to quickly reduce level 3 to 1 due to pumps in back/legs. Level 1 is equivalent to level 3 or 4 on interval setting. When i was a light weight (205-217lb), speed training was much easier, felt like a feather weight did it for average 45minutes at level 5 or higher --no problem.
LEGS
Smith Machine squat
Always a few warm up sets to start-off are completed w/ 1, 2, & 3 plates each side
1*285lb*9 (Olympic style)
2*335*6 & 8 reps (1 set below parallel, last one Olympic style)
No wraps are ever used. Belt only @ or above 375lb. No problems w/ pump or/and pain. As bad as the knees were over the years, i am having no problems w/ pain. In fact, whatever pain i had coming into cycle has been greatly alleviated on T/E. Sometimes a little at the beginning and stiffness until warm up and stretches are completed, that is normal. One thing that is noticeable is a little instability w/ Olympic style squats, where the right leg seems to sway a little to the right when coming up. Once i have the instability out of the way, I will move onto free weights.
1*375lb*6 reps (below parallel)
1*395lb*5 (at or below parallel)[New personal best]
I want to be able to do 375lb Olympic style over the next few weeks.
When trying for more than 8 reps (@285lb or 335lb), i run out breath. Actually more like running out muscle endurance (breathing still ok), before i run out actual capacity to do more.
Stiff leg barbell dead-lift
2*185lb *10 reps
2*235lb*10 reps
Leg Extension
5*110-290lb 5-12 reps
Each heavy heavy set was followed by multiple drop sets
Leg Curls (lying down)
4*130-90lb *8-12 reps
Each set was followed by 1 drop set w/ 1/2 the weight
Calves (sitting)
5sets*6plates 45s - to 4 45s *6-12 reps followed by extensive stretching
TRI'S
Close grip bench
1*185lb*10
2*205 8 & 10
1*225lb*6
Overhead cable extensions (Ez-curl bar)
4sets*70-110lb *8-12 reps
Tried straight bar, felt nothing then quickly changed to Ez-curl (alternate wkly between Ez Curl bar and small V shaped bar)
Ez-Curl push downs (super light wght for pump) Wider grip then overhead extensions
4*40-60* 8-15 reps
Done nice and slowly. Tri's feel like they will burn and rip apart as i do about 5 reps.
No abs
Anomalies
The shoulder pronated even slightly holding squat bar very easily causes pain in shoulder, that travels to the elbows. Noticeable in session(s) where it is followed by close grip bench for Tri's. Even w/out squats on a particular workout day, the elbows pain is ongoing for the last 5-6 weeks on/off. Only 2 of the last 6 wks was it really hard to push self to the same intensity level. Nevertheless,during the high and lows of the last 5-6 weeks, still worked out just as hard but changed exercises, sets, & repetitions. As a result of shoulder/elbow pain only the bench press has plateaued (@295lb *1RM). The squat & dead-lift, i continue to set multi-week personal bests.
BW - seems its have been written in stone. Haven't budged from the range of 235-241lb the last 7-8wks.
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randy841
New member
2nd day on Avavar 20mg
Thursday Feb 17, 2011 trained Back
40m elliptical machine prior to workout. Interval setting completed from level 5-20max - slope 30-100%. Felt a little stiffness in back following completion, but no problems. This is the longest consecutive session done last 12 weeks on T/E.
Behind the neck pull-down
5* 130lb-180lb *7-15 reps
Touching back of neck to bar
Cable close grip rows
4* 150-220lb *8-10 reps
Machine close grip(focus upper back/lats)
4*3 45s each side * 9 10 10 10 reps each
Barbell rows (wider than shoulder stance)
4*165lb*8-12 reps
Pull ups (not weighted)
2* 8 & 10 reps
Abs
Straight leg raises 2*20 reps
Followed by bending knee 90degree (not sure of exact name of exercise)
2* 8-10 reps
Anomalies
Looking and feeling a little tighter & smaller. But weight is still the same average reported the last 6-8 weeks 238lb.
Thursday Feb 17, 2011 trained Back
40m elliptical machine prior to workout. Interval setting completed from level 5-20max - slope 30-100%. Felt a little stiffness in back following completion, but no problems. This is the longest consecutive session done last 12 weeks on T/E.
Behind the neck pull-down
5* 130lb-180lb *7-15 reps
Touching back of neck to bar
Cable close grip rows
4* 150-220lb *8-10 reps
Machine close grip(focus upper back/lats)
4*3 45s each side * 9 10 10 10 reps each
Barbell rows (wider than shoulder stance)
4*165lb*8-12 reps
Pull ups (not weighted)
2* 8 & 10 reps
Abs
Straight leg raises 2*20 reps
Followed by bending knee 90degree (not sure of exact name of exercise)
2* 8-10 reps
Anomalies
Looking and feeling a little tighter & smaller. But weight is still the same average reported the last 6-8 weeks 238lb.
randy841
New member
Ok...tx for the tip Deerawk. I will start doing that. I don't do that right now.
randy841
New member
Sat Feb 19, 2011
Trained Shoulders
20m Stair Master
Speed training level 3 to 1 after 5m. Only 1 of 3 stair-master machines offer interval training, hence picked the next best one. Had some serious cramps on the legs above ankles. Had to take a 3-5m break (stretching) after completion before proceeding to elliptical. Anavar adding to additional pumps/pain?
20 Elliptical Machine level 10-20(max) Interval Hill @ 30-100% peak. Completed no problems.
FYI - I never have a problem with heavy breathing BTW, whether doing 20m or 40m consecutive cardio session. Once or twice after the first five or six week on T/E felt heavy and cumbersome when doing cardio & even felt like running out of breath, but it was the pain/pumps killing me only after a few minutes. Now I can push as hard as i want (& can) and am not breathing hard. Problem as pointed out many times in logs has been pain/pumps in back. For the first time in a while pumps/pain has moved down to lower legs.
Clean and Press
2*135*8 - 10
1*155lb*8
1* 185 *5 (relatively easy)
1* 205lb *1
1*205*1
Goal is to get 245-260lb clean & press
Behind the neck shoulder press
2*135lb*10
2*175lb*8 & 7 reps
1*155lb*10
Lateral & Front raises
4*45lb>35lb dumbbells *6-9 reps each
Upright rows
4*110>90lb * 8-10 reps
Shrugs (Machine)
2*4 45s each *8-10
2*5 45's each *6-8
1*6 45s *5
Cable rear delts
4*110>90*8-10 reps
Anomalies
Some acne on forehead seen Sat/Sun evening. A few (5-6) small red bumps (no puss). Haven't had these many since once in the first few weeks on T/E alone. Just 20mg Anavar addition causing this? Don't know. Really looking forward to the strength though. I am sticking by goals listed in status below.
Nov 25, 2010 started 1st cycle [BW 214]
T/E 500mg wkly for 20wks
in 11th week [BW@235-240lb range]
TARGETS
B-Press 315lb+1RM
D-Lift 495lb+ 1RM
Squat 450lb *5 reps
Furthermore, I am looking and feeling much much leaner post workouts now. Contrary to post above looking smaller, others are suggesting i am getting even bigger. My weight has not budged in the last 7-8 weeks. Shoulders are broadening while the abdominal region is looking smaller due to reduction in bloat & protrusion, adding to the getting bigger effect.
Anyways no other problems.
Trained Shoulders
20m Stair Master
Speed training level 3 to 1 after 5m. Only 1 of 3 stair-master machines offer interval training, hence picked the next best one. Had some serious cramps on the legs above ankles. Had to take a 3-5m break (stretching) after completion before proceeding to elliptical. Anavar adding to additional pumps/pain?
20 Elliptical Machine level 10-20(max) Interval Hill @ 30-100% peak. Completed no problems.
FYI - I never have a problem with heavy breathing BTW, whether doing 20m or 40m consecutive cardio session. Once or twice after the first five or six week on T/E felt heavy and cumbersome when doing cardio & even felt like running out of breath, but it was the pain/pumps killing me only after a few minutes. Now I can push as hard as i want (& can) and am not breathing hard. Problem as pointed out many times in logs has been pain/pumps in back. For the first time in a while pumps/pain has moved down to lower legs.
Clean and Press
2*135*8 - 10
1*155lb*8
1* 185 *5 (relatively easy)
1* 205lb *1
1*205*1
Goal is to get 245-260lb clean & press
Behind the neck shoulder press
2*135lb*10
2*175lb*8 & 7 reps
1*155lb*10
Lateral & Front raises
4*45lb>35lb dumbbells *6-9 reps each
Upright rows
4*110>90lb * 8-10 reps
Shrugs (Machine)
2*4 45s each *8-10
2*5 45's each *6-8
1*6 45s *5
Cable rear delts
4*110>90*8-10 reps
Anomalies
Some acne on forehead seen Sat/Sun evening. A few (5-6) small red bumps (no puss). Haven't had these many since once in the first few weeks on T/E alone. Just 20mg Anavar addition causing this? Don't know. Really looking forward to the strength though. I am sticking by goals listed in status below.
Nov 25, 2010 started 1st cycle [BW 214]
T/E 500mg wkly for 20wks
in 11th week [BW@235-240lb range]
TARGETS
B-Press 315lb+1RM
D-Lift 495lb+ 1RM
Squat 450lb *5 reps
Furthermore, I am looking and feeling much much leaner post workouts now. Contrary to post above looking smaller, others are suggesting i am getting even bigger. My weight has not budged in the last 7-8 weeks. Shoulders are broadening while the abdominal region is looking smaller due to reduction in bloat & protrusion, adding to the getting bigger effect.
Anyways no other problems.
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randy841
New member
22nd shot (left glute) completed Tues Feb 22, 2010 (3:26am)
No problems.
Sometimes a little tingling sensation/pain is felt where the shots are administered (so far only left/right glute), as i walk or tense the muscles. With the exception of the first 5-6 shots, no post shot day pain is felt, which was constant for a few days. Nothing is visible where shots are done i.e. pin marks/scars etc.
Is it due to scar tissue build up?
BTW, shots are every 4th day or 2 every 8 days. As suggested above i am looking to change them to every 3rd day, have yet to do so. Next shot will be moved up by 1 day coming up Thursday Feb 24 to balance out the weekly dosage.
No problems.
Sometimes a little tingling sensation/pain is felt where the shots are administered (so far only left/right glute), as i walk or tense the muscles. With the exception of the first 5-6 shots, no post shot day pain is felt, which was constant for a few days. Nothing is visible where shots are done i.e. pin marks/scars etc.
Is it due to scar tissue build up?
BTW, shots are every 4th day or 2 every 8 days. As suggested above i am looking to change them to every 3rd day, have yet to do so. Next shot will be moved up by 1 day coming up Thursday Feb 24 to balance out the weekly dosage.
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randy841
New member
A shot every 3rd day "should increase my T/E uptake from 437.5mg per wk to 583.33mg per wk".
randy841
New member
on 13 weeks T/E Feb 24, 2011 - 1wk anavar
Monday Feb 21, 2011 worked out Chest/Bis
Prior to workout
30m Elliptical Machine - hill interval level 3. No problems. One of the easiest machines on the body overall, yet very very effective - can be done everyday.
Routine in order completed - usually separated by bodypart.
Incline (Barbell) Bench Press
2*185lb *10 10
2*205 * 8 & 10 reps
1* 225lb 5 + 1 assisted reps (Plateaued last 5-6 weeks primarily due to reoccurring theme of *elbow & shoulder pain)
Hammer dumbbell curls (supersetted w/ Incline bench press)
1*40lb dumbbells * 10 each
1*45lb * 8 reps
2*50lb * 7 reps
Elbows were feeling it doing both those consecutively. They were nearly shot after straight bar curls, which i followed up w/.
Barbell curls
3*95 * 8 reps 8 & 10
Since doing higher reps 4 sets not always necessary.
Decline Bench press
3*185lb*10-12 reps
1*235lb*8 reps (elbows were feeling numb by this time - so pushed it out w/ 185lb for 3 sets). While, i was holding 235lb barbell off rack, didn't even feel like the weights were in hands - so took it fairly easy thereafter.
Better safe than sorry.
Machine Preacher curls (done consecutively w/ Abs)
4*50-70lb *8-12 reps
Cable fly's (finished off)
4* 190lb to 110lb* 8-15 reps did consecutive drops sets i.e. 190>110lb>60lb etc
Sticking w/ a fairly simple and forward routine of compound and primary movement exercises. Had great results the last 12 weeks so far. I always followed same regimen on creatine &/or glutamine cycles a number of times. Only difference was routine was split up into 5 days always. On this cycle workouts are done 3 days per week- last few weeks 4 days. Nevertheless if methodology works, stick by the motto 'If it ain't broken, don't fix it'. Due to pain in elbows, cut short only dips today.
Abs
2*20 & 25 reps straight leg raises
2*10 & 12 reps bent leg raises followed immediately
Anomalies
3-4 acne spots -- very small red spots on forehead. Only 1 small one w/ puss, since the addition of 20mg addition of Anavar last Wednesday Feb 16, 2011 as reported in prior log. No topical agents used. Some disappeared after 1 day, the others after 2 days, & 2 left- very slight now. Nothing else present on the body including redness, acne, or anything else, except itchiness, which can be quite annoying at times.
As i log this 2 days later from Mondays workout. A little more stiffness than usual in buttocks/quad area & lower back tightness especially noticeable as i walk around. Again the culprit Anavar IMO, maybe the Anavar-T/E synergy adding to the effect. But the tightness/stiffness not too bad, feeling pumped all day as walk around doing basic tasks.
More vascularity in forearms and bi's w/ or w/out workout.
Monday Feb 21, 2011 worked out Chest/Bis
Prior to workout
30m Elliptical Machine - hill interval level 3. No problems. One of the easiest machines on the body overall, yet very very effective - can be done everyday.
Routine in order completed - usually separated by bodypart.
Incline (Barbell) Bench Press
2*185lb *10 10
2*205 * 8 & 10 reps
1* 225lb 5 + 1 assisted reps (Plateaued last 5-6 weeks primarily due to reoccurring theme of *elbow & shoulder pain)
Hammer dumbbell curls (supersetted w/ Incline bench press)
1*40lb dumbbells * 10 each
1*45lb * 8 reps
2*50lb * 7 reps
Elbows were feeling it doing both those consecutively. They were nearly shot after straight bar curls, which i followed up w/.
Barbell curls
3*95 * 8 reps 8 & 10
Since doing higher reps 4 sets not always necessary.
Decline Bench press
3*185lb*10-12 reps
1*235lb*8 reps (elbows were feeling numb by this time - so pushed it out w/ 185lb for 3 sets). While, i was holding 235lb barbell off rack, didn't even feel like the weights were in hands - so took it fairly easy thereafter.
Better safe than sorry.Machine Preacher curls (done consecutively w/ Abs)
4*50-70lb *8-12 reps
Cable fly's (finished off)
4* 190lb to 110lb* 8-15 reps did consecutive drops sets i.e. 190>110lb>60lb etc
Sticking w/ a fairly simple and forward routine of compound and primary movement exercises. Had great results the last 12 weeks so far. I always followed same regimen on creatine &/or glutamine cycles a number of times. Only difference was routine was split up into 5 days always. On this cycle workouts are done 3 days per week- last few weeks 4 days. Nevertheless if methodology works, stick by the motto 'If it ain't broken, don't fix it'. Due to pain in elbows, cut short only dips today.
Abs
2*20 & 25 reps straight leg raises
2*10 & 12 reps bent leg raises followed immediately
Anomalies
3-4 acne spots -- very small red spots on forehead. Only 1 small one w/ puss, since the addition of 20mg addition of Anavar last Wednesday Feb 16, 2011 as reported in prior log. No topical agents used. Some disappeared after 1 day, the others after 2 days, & 2 left- very slight now. Nothing else present on the body including redness, acne, or anything else, except itchiness, which can be quite annoying at times.
As i log this 2 days later from Mondays workout. A little more stiffness than usual in buttocks/quad area & lower back tightness especially noticeable as i walk around. Again the culprit Anavar IMO, maybe the Anavar-T/E synergy adding to the effect. But the tightness/stiffness not too bad, feeling pumped all day as walk around doing basic tasks.
More vascularity in forearms and bi's w/ or w/out workout.
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StoxnBonds
Beast
Interesting log.
All the pains you're describing, back, legs, etc. can be caused by dehydration. Are you getting enough water? You can't just drink when you're thirsty, as I'm sure you know. Maybe try upping your intake.
All the pains you're describing, back, legs, etc. can be caused by dehydration. Are you getting enough water? You can't just drink when you're thirsty, as I'm sure you know. Maybe try upping your intake.
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