The 10 Most Overlooked Facts About Steroids by Nelson Montana

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A Primer For The Fledgling Juicehead.

(And something to piss off just about everyone)

1)...Steroids aren't as dangerous as they've been made out to be.

This is mostly media sensationalism geared toward a paranoid populace.

2)...Steroid's aren't as benign as they've been made out to be.

Since the dangers have been exaggerated, people tend to think none exist. They do. And they're serious.

3)...There is no such thing as a "cutting" cycle.

Steroids are designed to repair muscle tissue. They are growth drugs. True, more muscle allows you burn more fat, but steroids will do little to get you lean. Drugs like Winstrol increase glucose deposition and don't cause water retention, giving the illusion of leanness, but it's just that -- and illusion that will quickly fade. Burning more calories than you take in is what gets you cut.

4)...The amount of weight you want to gain from steroids is irrelevant.

The body will only hold onto so much weight, no matter how much you do or how long you do it. So when someone says "I want to gain 20 pounds" your body is thinking, "Yeah...whatever."

5)...Bridging is simply "not coming off."

This is denial, plain and simple. You never know how well a cycle went until you've been off for at least a month -- off of EVERYTHING.

6)...Higher dosages cause more suppression.

Don't buy into the "you're suppressed anyway, so it doesn't matter" mentality. The more you take, the longer you'll be suppressed.

7)...Long cycles are a waste of time.

This is an ego/vanity thing. People love staying on and staying huge. But once you're off, your natural testosterone level (and the increase in cortisol) will not allow the body to hold onto the added muscle. However, since the body likes to maintain homeostasis
it will attempt to hold on to the weight -- in the form of fat.

8)...Stacking more than three drugs is superfluous.

Essentially all steroids are based on the testosterone molecule but some have a higher anabolic nature. Taking 2 or 3 or 4 drugs that are all highly androgenic, is simply taking "more of the same thing." The body doesn't have "cypionate receptors" and "sustanon receptors." This "stacking" concept is pusedo science form the 80's that never went away.

9)...If you can't afford what's good, don't do anything at all.

When people bargain shop for steroids it reminds me of the guy who buys a $100 toupee because he can't afford one that cost $1000. Then he walks around looking like he has a raccoon on his head. He'd be better off bald. Some things just aren't conducive to "bargains" and steroids head the list. These are chemicals that are entering your bloodstream! Respect you body! How many more posts do we have to read about that speak of the side effects from crappy gear? Go with the good stuff, or go it alone.

10)...Anti-e's are undependable, hinder gains and cause worse libido problems and increased lipid profiles than steroids in many individuals.

Learn to do without them. If you need anti-e's it's a sure sign you're not constructing the most efficacious cycles.

And don't forget; you can never be too careful when it comes to your health, and you can never be too cautious when it comes to the law.

And be sure to use your superpowers for good, not evil.
 
damn good reading bro , instaed of a sticky this ought to automaticly emailes to every newbie who joins
 
haha somebody beat me to it. This was a big thread on elite, and i was gonna repost it here. So i could ask a few questions about the ones i think might not be so solid. So:

4. If you are having problems gaining more weight, wont GH and Slin break that barrier?

6. I never heard this one. This cant be true.

7. Hes sayin after a big cycle with big gains, you will lose your muscle and put on fat?

8. This has got to be total BS.
 
Nelson is one of the more clueless individuals I have ever seen....

I agree with only 1 of the above statements, this is just more prrof this guy is lost.... here are some more quotes from Nelson....

In response to someone asking about 1-Test, he replies:

"It's the latest crappy pro-hormone supplement in a long line of crappy pro-hormone supplements"

Another on creatine:

"Creatine provides water retention. Eat some salty pizza and drink lots of water -- you'll get the same results."

Lyle McDonalds response to Nelson

"Nelson wrote an article to the effect that there were different androgen receptors that bound to different types of androgens (he was making up some silly bullshit about why different types of 'roids had different effects, positing different receptors, which shows how unbelievably
ignorant of even basic physiology he is), had something involving a cat androgen receptor in there. I think the logic was that since cats had a different androgen receptor than humans, it made sesne that humans might have different types of receptors in their body, something really
idiotic like that."

There's a plethora more, but these are the ones that crack me up.
 
I agree with 8 in a way. I think more drugs don't mean more gains. Back in the day they relied more on training and nutrition then AAS. There are newbies doing more total drugs in their cycle then Sergio, Zane, Draper and others did in cycles. What I mean is if a newbie does a cycle of 500mg test and 400mg eq, he's 100mg short of a gram. I'm one of them.

I read where Mike Mentzer did 400mg of deca a week and 20mg of d-bol a day, in preparation for the '80 Mr.O and that was considered a high dose.

Look at the problem high dose cycles have brought, gyno. The early BBs didn't have it or at least not to my knowledge.

Now #7 I disagree with totally, if your on a low to moderate dose for a longer period of time. Your body will adapt to it better(in theory anyway) because it has a chance to get used to carrying it. You'll have to adjust your calorie intake more on this type of cycle. When your gains stop you've reached your bodies potential to gain with that amount of calories. Up the calories and you should gain more mass.

On a long cycle you could even fit in a week off for your body to recover from your routine. I take 1 week off every 10-12 weeks to give my body a chance to recover. On a longer cycle I can fit this in. Where a 10 or 12 week cycle I'm taking that break at the end or close to it.

This is one mans opinion:)

JohnnyB
 
I don't agree with hardly any of it. I am on my first cycle, and it has been a long one (20 weeks). I don't know if I will ever do one under 16 weeks. I didn't even start to feel my Omna's until like 5 or 6 weeks. And I really doubt my gains are just going to turn into fat. These are all just his opinion.
 
SWALE rings in

My favorite to pick on is #10. What on earth would make anyone write that?
 
I have a lot of respect for Nelson Montana and I agree 100% with most everything he said..

Perhaps he himself will have to clear #6 up. I'm not sure I agree that higher supraphysiological doses cause more inhibition than lower (still) supraphysiological doses (1500mg test/week vs 1000mg test/week for instance).

His first sentence, to me, appears as though he would believe 1000mg test/week for 8 weeks is not as inhibitory as 1500mg/week for the same 8 weeks. My feeling is that there would be little difference between the two as far as HTPA inhibition..

If we were comparing non-relavent doses such as 200mg/week vs 100mg/week, then I believe there to be a dose-dependent inhibition. However, at real doses that BBers use, it only makes sence that this dose-dependent, HTPA inhibition would be a hyperbolic function.

What I think he really means is that inhibition occurs as a function of time rather than dose, meaning 10 weeks at 1000mg/week is more inhibitory than 5 weeks at the same dose. I think this could even be taken a step further..

Andy
 
There is a lot of stuff Nelson has posted, that is just way off. He has a solid rep and a lot of people take his posts as the bible.

He has a complete chip on his shoulder and is way off base on a lot of advice.

I agree with the statement of 5 different types of steroids are not needed.

Anti-A are a must! They hinder gains very lightly.

#4 is true...you must eat to continue to grow...all the gear in the world wont help! If the cals arent there to grow, you wont!

#5 is BS: you can bridge with GH and slin and this will allow your HPTA to come back to normal!

#6 is a complete opinion!

#7 is so way off its humoris! The longer the cycles, the longer time your body has to get used to the new weight. It also gives you time to adjust your diet to be able to maintain the new muscle better

#8 I agree, 2-3 types at most are fine! There are only one type of AR and thats just the bottom line.

#9 is BS: I'll spend $80 on 50cc's of QV enan and be loving life! I never saw any difference in ICN's

The only point I like is take care of your health! Get blood work...take suppls to help!
 
Hey Graffix the site you got that picture off of is crazy. I freak people out by putting their name on the paper.
 
someone put some talc powder in thier palm and give this nelson a slap in the face and tell him to wake up and smell the coffee... alot of that is BS :nonono2: .... some parts are true... but hes just talkin out of his ass
 
There has always been a market for those who wish to position themselves as iconoclasts--especially when trying to appeal to a segment of the population which is basically counter-culture, and already skeptical of "The Establishment". However, there is a real art to being a true iconoclast: you have to actually be right, and present your position in a meaningful manner.
 
Andy13 said:
I have a lot of respect for Nelson Montana and I agree 100% with most everything he said..

Perhaps he himself will have to clear #6 up. I'm not sure I agree that higher supraphysiological doses cause more inhibition than lower (still) supraphysiological doses (1500mg test/week vs 1000mg test/week for instance).

His first sentence, to me, appears as though he would believe 1000mg test/week for 8 weeks is not as inhibitory as 1500mg/week for the same 8 weeks. My feeling is that there would be little difference between the two as far as HTPA inhibition..




Yes. When you get up to these kinds of supraphysiologic doses, LH and FSH become undetectable in the blood (at least using our standard labs).
Now, there may be other factors involved in being shut down, but at these doses, pituitary stimulation of the testes ceases. Atrophy ensues. You're shut down.
 
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