The Sane "Lean Mass" Cycle Sus250/Dbol 8 Weeks 1st cycle, Suggestions?

[Kazu]

Hi All,

I'd like to have your Suggestions/Information regarding my FIRST AAS cycle. I'll try to be as brief & informative as possible

My Stats & Background:

Age: 34 years
Hight: 180cm (5'10)
Wight: 92Kgs (202.4 lbs)
Body Fat: 19% (estimated)
Body Type: Mesomorph
Previous AAS Cycle: Anavar 20mg per day/4-5 Weeks (Sep. 2009)

Have been hardcore training for 3 years, made really nice gains with alot of hiccups though (Hey! you've got to start somewhere)
It was very fruitfull as they say & kept me in a super shape. I've started a "Lean BULK" cycle on Sep. 2009 where I used Anavar only!!
(Yes, I know) but i had to take the safe road & see what would be the outcome. Now, I wanted to switch to the "Dark Side" & hope
for the best.

My Cycle:
I've constructed this cycle with alot of reading gathered from this forum & other resources,
having in mind maximizing gains with faster recovery time & noticing that a lot of the more experienced and educated AAS users seem to favor running short cycles It makes all perfect sense to me.

AAS: Sustanon250 1mL amp & D-Bol 10mg
PCT: Nolvadex-D 20mg
Length: 8 Weeks

Week 1 Sus 250mg / Dbol 20mg ED
Week 2 Sus 500mg / Dbol 20mg ED
Week 3 Sus 500mg / Dbol 30mg ED
Week 4 Sus 500mg / Dbol 30mg ED
Week 5 Sus 500mg
Week 6 Sus 500mg
Week 7 Sus 500mg
Week 8 Sus 500mg
Week 9-10 OFF
Week 11 Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 12 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 13 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 14 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Training & Diet:
5 days/week 15-20 Cardio 3x (HIIT OR LIT)
Lean & Clean whenever possible food rounding 2800-3200 cals. Cheat meals included, Cheaters do prosper

My Questions:

1- HCG, should it be utilized in this cycle considering its 8 weeks? if yes, How? When?
2- Arimidex or Proviron or Letrozole, would it be better than Nolvadex countering Gyno if it flares up? Or should I run ONE of them as precaution?
3- Dbol, Should it be spaced though it has a short half life ? if yes, How? When? w/food or not?

I'd really appreciate all the input & help I could have from you
Thank you

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Welcome to the board !!

I'll move this to the Anabolic forum for you.

Just to get the critique started.....PCT should not start until 18 -21 days after your last injection of Sustanon.

 

[Kazu]

Thank you StoneColdNTO

So basically, My post cycle therapy (pct) should look like this

Week 9-10-11 OFF (21 Days After Last Shot)

Week 12 Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 13 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 14 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 15 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Anything else I should cover?

 

[Kazu]

Update:

I've started this cycle on Jan 31st & I've done an in-depth reading to "tune" my cycle abit (Thanx StoneColdNTO) again :

Reference "http://www.steroidology.com/forum/2166407-post2.html"

PCT :
Week 12 Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 13 Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 14 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 15 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Now, I've access to HGC 5000ui so how would i use it here ? I know there is the sterilization issue of the vial if not used directly upon mixing, meaning I have to shot it all at once.


I hope this post serves as a reference point for those whom into the same cycle or even plan one as i already answered couple of my own questions by trial

1- D-Bol was used to kick start the cycle, & was consumed with protein shake pre-workout (2 hours before to be exact) all in one shot, due to half-life of D-Bol.
2- Had access to Proviron only, 25mg & going to run it Weeks 3-4 just to be cautious.

During the cycle am running the following

1-Animal Pak (Multi Vitamins which has Milk Thistle 250mg) 1-Pack
2-Animal Flex (Joints) 1-Pack
3-Animal Omega (EFA's) 1-Pack
4-Niacin Flush Free (400mgs) 1-Cap
4-Himalaya Liv.52 DS (Double Strength) 2-Caps

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

I'd say right off from viewing your stats you need to focus on your diet add letro and drop the dbol. Go over to the Diet forum and work on your diet. Lean bulking diet could have you at 220 and 12% body fat at the end of this cycle.

 

[Kazu]

I'd say right off from viewing your stats you need to focus on your diet add letro and drop the dbol. Go over to the Diet forum and work on your diet. Lean bulking diet could have you at 220 and 12% body fat at the end of this cycle.

Thanx for pointing out that for me, It was a typo I had to correct it. My Diet would be changed on Weeks 5-8 as I saw my physique evolved nicely the past 4 Weeks.

I don't have access to Letro, where am at its not quite as easy a Candy Shop

Getting "Gear" was easy though

Am already at the end of D-bol week, so i can't drop it now.

I am trying to figure out how to use HCG with my cycle (If, i need it?). I've got 5000ui vials (3 of them).

So I really appreciate any help here on how to use it (250ui ED or E3D or 1x 500ui week) how to mix it even ?

Prior to this cycle i've done a Blood Test to check my hormones. I'll try to post when I get back home

 

[Kazu]

Found my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) usage & cycle

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/2074469-post1.html

This forum is the "Merriam-Webster" of roids

The Quest Continues

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i will never understand why sustanon is chosen in a "short" cycle-when its main ingredient is one of the longest test esters there is-your basically wasting more than half of it by running it less than 12 weeks-IMO

 

[DADAWG]

i will never understand why sustanon is chosen in a "short" cycle-when its main ingredient is one of the longest test esters there is-your basically wasting more than half of it by running it less than 12 weeks-IMO

agreed
eq/deca/sustanon/omnas
all should be run 12 mininum imo.

 

[Kazu]

I know that Sustanon shouldn't be used in a short cycle like mine at least.
I only had access at that time to those items only, I would/should have gone with Test E
considering a 1st timer with a longer 12-week cycle, but as I mentiond earlier in my post I wanted to have a max-gain short-time recovery in this cycle.

HCG Update:

Can't put my hands on bacteriostic water, So I have to use the supplied vial which is 1mL. which means either I have to buy a few vials more of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to be able to run it as desired, which could be a costly approach
Can any one shed some light on this please?

I've stumbled upon this site & it was a great knowledge, but still can't figure out how to get my vials mixed correctly

 

[Kazu]

HCG Update 2 :

Sorry for the hotlink, Thanx Dread Pirate Roberts for pointing it out.
Again, This site ROX!

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/52580-post6.html

 

[Kazu]

This is what I've managed to have & make of my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosage, based on loads of reading from here & there.

Its a 5000ui vial & am going to use the supplied 1ml solution with it which would be the following :

Using the slin pin going to make it as this

1mL + 5000ui = 5000 mL/ui
50ui mark = .5mL = 2500ui HCG
25.5ui mark = .25mL = 1250 HCG

since I can't get any BAC nor steril vails, this is the best of what I've came up with
Going to inject this Sub-Q On weekly bases from week 6 till then end of my cycle.

HCG protocol:
Week 6 1250ui
Week 7 1250ui
Week 8 1250ui

From what I've read that between 500ui & 1000ui E4D is used & I know MORE is NOT better but that's what I've got to work with.

Would like to have any help with this please? Thank you