I walk around at 215 and I'm 6'1. I've always struggled with weights due in part to never lifting because of my old boxing trainer's belief that lifting Wts will make people slower. I'm 30 now and still compete but have been circuit training and Crossfitting the last year. Im still pretty weak in wt room numbers but was wondering what kind of gains should I expect on this 1 st cycle? I'm looking for functional strength not mirror muscles. My cycle is 250 or 1cc of cyp every 5 days. I'm taking nolvadex with it. Any help would be appreciated.
Training in MMA and boxing about to start 1st cycle
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Cobra Strike
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it all depends on your diet and training but remeber that this is just test and your not going to gain a whole lot of strength off of it compared to other compounds...but you are running the perfect cycle for your first one so props there....get yourself a real Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin or arimidex instead of the nolva..nolva is weak. also have you thought about hcg?? and whats your pct look like?
You may see a good increase and strength from this cycle. I blew up on my first test cycle and strength went through the roof. Just make sure to eat and eat more to feed the muscle growth.
Use nolva in pct not during the cycle. You need toremifene citrate or clomid for your pct and can use nolva with either but it's not really need unless you have it already.
You will also want some hcg. And an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromisin.
Use nolva in pct not during the cycle. You need toremifene citrate or clomid for your pct and can use nolva with either but it's not really need unless you have it already.
You will also want some hcg. And an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromisin.
My PCT I was going to wait 2 weeks after my last injection and continue the nolvadex for 3 more weeks. My diet would be in line with my fight training, so would like to still be able to cut to 205. I'm hoping not to put on a ton of weight, just lose some fat. I haven't really looked past my 1 st cycle of just test but will evaluate this cycle and further my knowledge before my next cycle. Thanks for your input!
P S my supplements I take now are protein, glutamine, fish oil, vitamin E. Is there any recommendation for other supplements while on cycle?
Polynikes666
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AAS can have a significantly negative impact on conditioning, especially with respect to MMA. Watch your blood pressure, and be honest with yourself if you find that you are panting after performing routine drills.
Poly
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Could you be more specific as to how it could effect it negatively ? This would not be ideal for me. Thanks!
Polynikes666
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There are many mechanisms, triggered by AAS usage, which can work in opposition to your conditioning goals. I only truly understand a few, which I will outline, but there are many more.
1) AAS creates an increase in muscle mass. Quickly. Muscle requires O2. The heart, lungs, blood substrates etc. do not adapt commensurately to this increase in mass.
2) AAS usually results in a higher BP (water retention, hormonal unbalance etc.), and therefore higher RHR.
3) The nervous system excitation caused by most AAS (especially the more androgenic ones), can interfere with the sympathetic and parasympathetic tone of the heart. Another mechanism that can lead to higher RHR, and poorer cardiovascular recovery.
Bear in mind that while some of the top fighters today do use AAS at various points during their training, they use them primarily for recovery. A top level athlete is likely to be genetically gifted when it comes to conditioning, so they can tolerate the loss if they deem it necessary. Most of us do not have that luxury.
Additionally, everyone responds differently. You may have no problems whatsoever. However, I doubt if that will be the case.
If you do encounter conditioning loss on cycle, you will regain it after you cease AAS use. So don't worry too much!
Poly
1) AAS creates an increase in muscle mass. Quickly. Muscle requires O2. The heart, lungs, blood substrates etc. do not adapt commensurately to this increase in mass.
2) AAS usually results in a higher BP (water retention, hormonal unbalance etc.), and therefore higher RHR.
3) The nervous system excitation caused by most AAS (especially the more androgenic ones), can interfere with the sympathetic and parasympathetic tone of the heart. Another mechanism that can lead to higher RHR, and poorer cardiovascular recovery.
Bear in mind that while some of the top fighters today do use AAS at various points during their training, they use them primarily for recovery. A top level athlete is likely to be genetically gifted when it comes to conditioning, so they can tolerate the loss if they deem it necessary. Most of us do not have that luxury.
Additionally, everyone responds differently. You may have no problems whatsoever. However, I doubt if that will be the case.
If you do encounter conditioning loss on cycle, you will regain it after you cease AAS use. So don't worry too much!
Poly
angryboxer
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Im going into week 4 of Test E & EQ for a July Boxing match. I began with
wk1 700mg Test E& 500mg EQ a week,
wk2 700mg Test E & 500mg EQ a week
wk3 700mg Test E & 500 mg EQ a week
change in dosage for upcoming wk 4
wk4 250mg Test E & 700 mg EQ
and I'm still in my loading phase as you already know. My training routine, posted in my earlier threads, is vigorously tiresome and long anaerobic & plyo drills as it is in your sport. I can't help but to notice the change in apperance such as bulkier and defined shoulder and started to look more shreded - put it this way, my shoulders are armouring up so much, I'd deflect any punches with my shoulders and comeback with a counter while sparring. However, I can't seem to stay relatively relaxed while sparring and I notice increased strength but decreased cardio.. I'm used to going 8 - 10 rnd of sparring is now reduced to 6 rnds. Keep in mind that I'm only telling you my ongoing experience with it, and results may vary on the user. If you ask me which compound is impacting my cardio in a negative way, I couldn't tell you because I began with two compounds for my first cycle against peoples' advice. That being said, my plan is to reduce Test E to minimum & increase EQ to max to see if it helps my cardio then adjust accordingly... Anyhow, pros outweigh the cons in my experience so far, and if you have any questions in terms of my current training routine, don't hesitate to ask and good luck!
Polynikes666
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AB,
That's a hefty first cycle! Are you trying to move up in weight class?
Poly
That's a hefty first cycle! Are you trying to move up in weight class?
Poly
angryboxer
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It's either 178lbs or 201lbs for me. I'm used to lightheavy 175 - 178 in the past, but I'm mainly sparring heavy weights currently, and it looks like I'm finding my comfort zone at 201 weight class.
mouse king
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what the fuck you think ?? "you will not gain a lot of strenght " ...so you think everybody needs high dosed like you mr fatty ( yeah you are fat) ?? 250 a week is alot to a frehser....huhnn another guy trying to trick new kids to high dosed test cycle like 500 or something in his first cycle...
500mg is not a high dose. There is a big difference in the strength and size a person can gain between 250 a week and 500 a week without worrying about a big increase in side
Lion you are new to the board so save the flaming shit or go somewhere else. No one was speaking to you and with your 3 post not many are going to take you serious since it's all been angry bullshit. No need for your little fuckin attitude. If you think someone is wrong then post your opinion but only a true tough guy like yourself tries to fight over the Internet douchebag.
Lion you are new to the board so save the flaming shit or go somewhere else. No one was speaking to you and with your 3 post not many are going to take you serious since it's all been angry bullshit. No need for your little fuckin attitude. If you think someone is wrong then post your opinion but only a true tough guy like yourself tries to fight over the Internet douchebag.
angryboxer
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I'm not sure who the thread is directed to, but if it is so, thanks for your concern, and yes, I began to see more definition in my mass and strength gain which is what I wanted. But yes, I didn't know what to expect from Test E & EQ combo in terms of weight gain (by alot or little), and which is the reason why I started almost five months ahead of time, so I can adjust as necessary to get my speed back. BTW, as I mentioned earlier, so far the benefit has been great! Cheers
Cobra Strike
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hahahahaha lioncub you are one funny cat!
mouse king
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500 mg is a high dose for a first time user... first time i have used only 15 mg Winstrol (winny) ( thats 135 mg per week ) and have amazing transformation in a 4 week cycle. and 500 mg sustanon means raw 330 mg test per week....a man produce close to 100 mg per week or may be less ..and 330 mg is more than 3 times of his natural test level .
try test 250mg per week with 50-75 proviron per day ...it will free more test and will make it more effective.......very lean gain with less water retansion with great strength gain also..and it will come very fast too. use less and dont surpass your threshold when you dont need to...its the key .
Cobra Strike
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I should stop saying stuff as fact haha IMexperience test didnt gain a whole lot for me...my first cycle I ran 500mg a week and in week 7 I had to go get a blood test to find out the shit was real...I may have gotten 5lbs -10lbs on my max but I didnt consider that very much in comparison to what tren did
Cobra Strike
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an adult male produces around 7mg of test naturally a day...so thats about 50mg a week. 500 mg is not very much...do you know how much test it takes to od??? HA seen your pics in another thread....You call me fat?? hahaha next time you should consider a persons goals...im not trying to be little and cut bro...you keep wearing those smalls or mediums and save the extra larges for the big dogs
it was fun chattin with ya lioncubby
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mouse king
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i know dickhead that a male produce normally 7 -10 mg test per day....i said 100 mg per week because Aurthur lea ria ( the Aurthur of "building the perfect beast " ) have said in interview that a male produces 150 mg per week but only 50 mg is being used...thats why i said 100mg per week or may be less.....
also that guy want speed...may be 500 test would give him bloat and he would get slow in ring and got beaten up....thats why i said proviron with test so that his weight would be minimum and strength very good
and i have posted my pics...here
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/599207-everyone-give-advice-please.html
also that guy want speed...may be 500 test would give him bloat and he would get slow in ring and got beaten up....thats why i said proviron with test so that his weight would be minimum and strength very good
and i have posted my pics...here
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/599207-everyone-give-advice-please.html
Cobra Strike
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Ya I seen them....Im not talkin shit about your physique...but not everyone wants to be small and cut bro...like I said...when I go shopping I will leave all the mediums and smalls for ya...
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